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Surprised at how many reviewers don't truly get Moana


Don't get me wrong, they are largely positive & there's not much to "get". But they're missing something pretty big.

A common complaint I've noticed is that they're saying the father is overprotective and comparing him to Triton. They say we've seen this father figure before. But actually, we haven't, at least not from Disney. Most of the time, such a figure is motivated by the gender of the one he's protecting. He sees their precious daughter as weak & she is supposed to prove herself worthy. And the comparison to Triton is unfair as well. He is simply a racist (specist?) that shows little inferest in teaching Ariel or his other daughters the responsibility that comes with their station.

This is what I think sets Tui and the movie itself apart. He is teaching Moana the responsibility she has to her people. He is protective because she is the next in line and his protectiveness applies to his whole people. He refuses to hear out the idea of going put on the ocean because he thinks it would endanger his people.

So no, he is not like other overprotective father. We are seeing a man acting out of a sense of duty to his people and trying to instill that sense on his daughter. And it even works. She decides to stay and take responsibility. She goes out on her adventure because she believes it will help her people and thus still holds to her duty to her village. I think everyone is so caught up in the romance they're missing another key difference: she is the first "princess" (despite the movie trying it's damndest to buck the title, I'm using it) to actually accept her duties and actually shown being trained as the future leader.

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What responsibilities does Elsa and Simbs accept DURING the movie rather than at the climax end? Moana never runs from her responsibility, unlike Elsa & Simba. Her actions

Atlantis is Milo's story, not Kida's. Kida already knows herself and her duty. Moana's struggle is making her identity fit within her responsibilities. And Kida is an actual princess.

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And what does emotional impact have to do with anything? I was considering who has already started accepting all their responsibilities AND seeing them in training to better prepare for them.

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Speciest or speciesist is the term, and Triton embodies it.
lol he has every reason to be.
Would you want your child marrying a fish? 

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I was just saying how much I loved the fact that she's being groomed as a proper leader! The analysis of Chief Tui is spot on, and it does make me confused when people compare him to overprotective dads. He literally says "leader", "our people", "chief", or a mix of those over and over again. So much so that I felt it was being overdone. lol But I guess not because people are still confused at the position Moana is expected to take. In the thread I just came from, someone tried to compare her to Snow White, Aurora, etc. I was unhappy. lol

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Great observation, although many critics have pointed that out.

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Maybe I'm just not reading/watching the right ones. Many of the one's I've seen have said the father's over protectiveness is a negative and they seem to think it's within the context of keeping Moana safe because she's a girl. Rather than what is really going on, which is Tui trying to keep her (as the future leader) AND the village safe.

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This is what I think sets Tui and the movie itself apart. He is teaching Moana the responsibility she has to her people. He is protective because she is the next in line and his protectiveness applies to his whole people. He refuses to hear out the idea of going put on the ocean because he thinks it would endanger his people.



He is protective because he is the typical "parent who projects his fear of the outside world on his kids and then learn at the end that it is not so scary after all and embrace it".

The only real reason he doesn't want his people to go outside the boundaries of the island is because he lost his best friend at sea when he was young and it traumatized him, because he broke the rules and it cost a life.

Sure, he is grooming his daughter to become chief, and that's good, but at the same time, he is breaking down her love of the sea and her taste for adventure by guilting her a bit into it. He is even lying to her about their ancestors, hiding the fact that their people used to be explorers, only to prevent anyone to think about the outside world. He even got angry when Moana suggests trying to fish a bit farther. Isn't that all fall into the term "overprotective"? Instilling fear and not letting make them their own judgement?


And the comparison to Triton is unfair as well. He is simply a racist (specist?) that shows little inferest in teaching Ariel or his other daughters the responsibility that comes with their station.


How do you know that he has little interest in it? Ariel is just coming out of age (she was being introduced to the court at the beginning of the movie), and she had 6 older sisters, she was nowhere near to become the next in line for the throne, unlike Moana. We have no idea what her sisters learn also, as we almost don't see them during the movie.

Also, Triton has prejudices against humans because of their fishing and how it affects their world. It's also possible that they killed his wife, who knows? It's way too strong to call Triton a "specist" when they have nothing to gain from getting to know humans better. They can't live on land, and humans can't breathe under water. Also, he didn't initiate any attack against humans either, he is just protecting his people the exact same way the chief in "Moana" did, by forbidding them to seek too far into the outside world, where they will meet many dangers. So the comparaison seems quite fair to me, and the chief in "Moana" has even a much smaller role, that really just drag a bit the movie. We KNOW that Moana is going to be looking for Maui, so all the beginning and her father trying to scare her of the outside world is just a bit "lost" in terms of development, as it has no real impact later (her father appears only at the end and with no dialogues, when Triton is in plenty of important scene and is the one who pushes Ariel to seek Ursula, by destroying the statue of Eric.)

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Well here's another shocker! The Hawaii film Critics didn't award Moana with Best Animated Film. They instead choose Zootopia and Kubo (tie).

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That's because Zootopia & Kubo are better.

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Well I agree, but I do find that a bit odd still! I throughly expected Moana to at least win one from them.

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Plus, there's also the fact he wants to spare Moana the trauma he went through when he and his friend went beyond the reef. He honestly believes the blue water part of the ocean will kill anyone who ventures out there and probably spent the entire duration of Moana's absence from the island thinking she was dead.



"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you." -Gandalf

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Exacly.

Exept that she is the first "princess" to do anything, there are a dozen of examples, one of them actually Merida from PIXAR´s Brave (yes, I know everybody hates it, but I don´t)

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