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Best Animated Feature Oscar: Zootopia or Moana

posted 8 years ago by Hold_the_door
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Most of the times, a big movie that's a critical and box office hit gets the Oscar, so... I think that's why Kubo and the Two Strings probably won't win the Oscar, as it did poorly at the box office (it was so damn perfect though!). Other than Disney Animation's two movies, Zootopia and Moana, the other big animated movie that has Oscar chances is Finding Dory, but it's a sequel, and since there are two original movies out there (that the majority seems to find a bit better), I think it's most likely for Zootopia or Moana to win the Oscar.
But which of these two animated masterpieces will win? Zootopia has already won a number of awards, but I have a feeling Moana will get the Oscar. After all, Zootopia could possibly win the Golden Globe.

[–] CraigSmi 8 years ago

Zootopia for the Oscar best animated film as it's a far better film. Moana will win for soundtrack or similar since Lin-Manuel Miranda is pretty much the golden child at the moment.

[–] OpinionsByLennon 8 years ago

Zootopia will very likely win the Oscar.

Here's the odds from experts:

1) Zootopia 7/4
2) Kubo 4/1
3) Moana 11/2

http://www.goldderby.com/odds/expert-odds/oscars-nominations-2017/

The chances currently rest at:

36.58% Zootopia
19.67% Kubo
15.25% Moana

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[–] cactusjac2000 8 years ago

Zootopia is a shoe-in.

[–] TutuAnimationPrincess 8 years ago

One of Moana, Zootopia, or Finding Dory will win and they all have pretty much the same chance as having the Disney or Pixar name is all you need. It's all irrelevant anyways as it's rarely the "best animated feature" that wins.

"If life is getting you down and needs uplifting, then please come dance with me!"

[–] OpinionsByLennon 8 years ago

Something else of interest just came down the pipe! Zootopia made it on AFI's top 10 best films of 2016! And it was the ONLY animated film on the list!

This is pretty rare as generally animated films don't get on this list and I'm not even certain when the last time this happened was. It's a pretty big honor and only helps cement Zootopia even more.

http://www.thewrap.com/zootopia-joins-la-la-land-moonlight-afi-top-10-2016/

[–] OpinionsByLennon 8 years ago

Just to clarify. 8 animated films have made AFI's top 10 since 2001: Shrek, Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, Happy Feet, Ratatouille, Up, Toy Story 3, and Inside Out. 100% of these film have gone on to win a Oscar!

[–] TutuAnimationPrincess 8 years ago

I'm glad you looked these up, it shows that AFI has had about as much animation respect as the Academy...little to none. I remember seeing their top ten animated films of all time and thinking how boring, safe, and uninspired it was. Kissing Pixar's behind, no matter how good their films are, is not animation respect. Then there's Happy Feet, a complete and total mess of a film, there's a reason it's Blu-Rays are in the bargain bins for five bucks these days.

"If life is getting you down and needs uplifting, then please come dance with me!"

[–] OpinionsByLennon 8 years ago

Other than Happy Feet, that one I don't understand but it was years ago anyway. The rest I do agree with, even Shrek! When Shrek was released it was considered to huge advancement in 3D modeling and the story was pretty good also. The others were all very good films, even if they are titled heavily towards Pixar everyone of these arguably deserved it.

[–] crazyllamathing 8 years ago

Ughhh, Happy Feet. That year, literally there was no competition. As average as Cars was especially for Pixar standards, I wondered how it couldn't even win best animated.

I suspect how Happy Feet shoehorned in that whole conservation preach at the end had something to do with it. It abruptly catered to preaching environmentalism. I thought it was cringe-worthy to do that and I bet audiences forgot how crappy the rest of the film was cause we were duped into guilt we had to let Happy Feet be something greater than it was.

[–] TutuAnimationPrincess 8 years ago

I think Monster House from that year is kind of underrated, but it was an Image Movers film so it was doomed to the stigma of that company. The Girl Who Leapt Through Time and Tekkonkinkreet also came out that year, but let's just say animated foreign movies are literally foreign to awards shows. The Oscars has gotten better with their nominees since that year, but it's still the Disney or Pixar film that always wins. I guess since the A in AFI stands for American, maybe they don't consider foreign films in their lists, but I'm by no means an expert on that.

"If life is getting you down and needs uplifting, then please come dance with me!"

[–] crazyllamathing 8 years ago

I totally forgot about Monster House, and I agree. That one was surprisingly great as well. Like I said before, though, that year was weak for animation. I would have been content with Cars or Monster House over Happy Feet, that's for sure.

[–] OpinionsByLennon 8 years ago

To be fair it is an American award. Other countries also have their own awards shows that are very similar to the Oscars and they all favor films from their own countries also. For example I live in France (I am American however) and here they have Cesar Awards. It doesn't matter one single bit how terrible a film is, you'd be surprised just how many arthouse films one county crank out (at tax payers expense, yep we do pay for it) it will win a Cesar Award for no other reason than it's French. That's it! :P On VERY RARE occasions does a Hollywood film win this award and it's generally only because it has some French novelty, French actor, or a connection to France in some way. This award is so ridiculous that no one I know of here cares about it! Most people do prefer Hollywood films and most do see the Oscars are more respectful than the French version. :P

[–] eazmr102 8 years ago

The real crime was snubbing Paprika and A Scanner Darkly, but back then the Academy didn't have the guts to have non-kiddie films in that category.

[–] Hold_the_door 8 years ago

So... maybe Zootopia will win the Oscar and Moana the Golden Globe then?

[–] OpinionsByLennon 8 years ago

Generally who ever wins the Oscar also wins the Golden Globe. It tends to work in sweeps.

[–] Hold_the_door 8 years ago

Not really.

[–] OpinionsByLennon 8 years ago

Ah yeah they do! I realize that's not what you want to hear but I'm just following the numbers.

Out of the last 10 years The Golden Globes have matched the Oscars in "Best Animated Film" 7/10 time.

Since the inception of Best Animated Feature at the Academy Awards in 2001, the Annie Award winner has matched up every year except for 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, and 2014. And with the Annie's who ever wins this award also wins the majority of the rest, this is just how they seem to work.

Critics Choice Awards has also given the
award of best animated film that went on to win the Oscar 7/10 times over the last
10 years.

The BAFTA's are a bit odd because they haven't awarded a best animated film every single years. But in all the years they've done it they only didn't predict the Oscar winner once! Every other year they were correct. And being Zootopia has already won two BAFTA's if they give another Zootopia will clearly win that one also.

What I'm trying to show you here is there's a clear pattern. And other than local critic associations, the CCMAs, Golden Globes, Annies, and BAFTA all tend to be populist. No one wants to their awards not to match up with the Oscars! And in the case of The Golden Globes it claims it's self as "The Oscar's most reliable prognosticator." They very obviously want to choose who they feel will win.

[–] Hold_the_door 8 years ago

Out of the last 10 years The Golden Globes have matched the Oscars in "Best Animated Film" 7/10 time

I know that. I just said that it doesn't happen all the time. That there are exceptions.

I realize that's not what you want to hear but I'm just following the numbers.

Why is that? It's not like I'm going to win the award or something... Lol. After all, it's the same studio that will get the award, right?

[–] OpinionsByLennon 8 years ago

I said that because you have mentioned on a few occasions about Moana winning the Golden Globe. Then when I said it's not likely I felt like you were offended by it as generally speaking most major awards want to line up with The Oscars as they see it as the ultimate test of credibility. This just the politics of awards season and who is the strongest candidate often sweeps the awards in the animated category. Sure there are exceptions to this rule but the odds are it's not very likely.

[–] number1212 8 years ago

I'm going to say Zootopia. Although I liked Moana better, I think Zootopia has more going for it.

[–] eazmr102 8 years ago

I don't think Finding Dory will (or should) get a nom: it's pretty much a rehash of Finding Nemo, and the Academy doesn't care for Pixar sequels (except Toy Story 3). So I think the category will consist of:

-Zootopia
-Moana
-Kubo
-a couple of foreign movies (most likely The Red Turtle and/or Your Name.)

[–] Hold_the_door 8 years ago

It will probably get a nomination. I mean, it got great reviews and grossed a billion dollars, so...

[–] eazmr102 8 years ago

Minions made over a billion and the Oscars didn't care.

Peanuts got great reviews and it got left out.

Not even Pixar's name could get The Good Dinosaur a nom.

[–] Block-Busted 8 years ago

Minions made over a billion and the Oscars didn't care.

It wasn't very well-reviewed.

Peanuts got great reviews and it got left out.

Other candidates were far too strong and it wasn't a huge box office success.

Not even Pixar's name could get The Good Dinosaur a nom.

It flopped at box office and the film wasn't hugely well-received either.

[–] navtej_kps 8 years ago

i didn't like moana but loved zootopia which for me is not only best animated movie of the year but also among top 10 of the year. I know different people have different opinions but i will be very surprised if zootopia didn't win the oscar esp. in present political environment