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A few problems with the movie


The beginning was too slow. It took way too long before she was on her way. It felt it was more about describing the culture.

The coconut pirates. I was hoping for more than just a short encounter.

The ecology; is it all right for humans to colonize new islands with pigs and other farm animals when there is already a native wildlife there? (The whole "noble savage" thing, for the lack of a better word, since they can't exactly be called savages.)

Only two songs were catchy (in my opinion); the giant crab (Lithodidae, not Brachyura) and You're welcome. And the last part when she meets her grandmother again.

The whole thing "I'm not a princess" thing. It was the same in Wreck-It Ralph, where Vanellope von Schweetz didn't want to be a princess, she wanted to be a president instead. If Disney want to stay away from the whole Disney princess thing for a movie or two, then stop referring to them.

The old, wise and cliché character, in this case her grandmother. In such a harmony with nature that she becomes a ray, and like in Brother Bear, Pocahontas and similar movies, she show herself again after her death, wiser than ever and more in harmony with nature than ever.

The beginning, which is a John Lasseter thing. Ever noticed how often Disney and Pixar movies use a tale or something similar to introduce a movie lately?

Other than that, it was a great movie.

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The last movie with WDAS to start a movie with a narrated tale prior to Moana was Tangled. And both harken back to the storybook openings so many early Disney movies began with.

I can't think of any Pixar movie that does this. There might be overlaid narration, but not an actual tale.

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Toy Story 3 started the same way; they try to suck the audience in, and then they zoom out and it is all reviled to be just a story. The rest of the Pixar movies made after Toy Story 3 have been so forgettable I can't remember how they started (Brave and The Good Dinosaur, the rest I haven't even seen yet).

The same approach is used in Big Hero 6. At first it looks like it is a dangerous robot fight, but then it turns out it is just some remote controlled toys.

Zootopia; a predator is about to attack its prey, and surprise, it's just a play.

Bolt; a superdog with a mission. Then we hear the words; "And cut". They were just shooting a movie.

Can't remember how Wreck-It Ralph started either. These days I never watch movies more than once and then move on.

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You're really reaching with all of those, especially TS3 & Big Hero 6'

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No, I'm not. It's a cheap way to open a movie, and book editor will cringe when they receive a script for a novel that use the same trick. It has John Lasseter's fingerprints all over it.

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The ecology; is it all right for humans to colonize new islands with pigs and other farm animals when there is already a native wildlife there?

Actually, it was extremely common for Polynesians to bring animals and edible plants on their voyages. It’d be stupid of them not to. You can never assume that an undiscovered island will have whatever you need to sustain yourself. Lots of wildlife in Polynesia are not native to their respective islands. In the case of Hawaii, there were no land mammals before settlers arrived here.

In terms of being in harmony with nature, that is part of the culture. In Hawaii, you still see hula dancers going up to the mountains and volcanoes to dance for Pele, other gods, or for nature in general. The ladies are shown doing so at the :50 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NhPqimnr3o

Or wearing clothing that represents nature while using natural products (gourds, bamboo sticks, stones, and drums made of natural materials) during a performance. In the case of these ladies, their dresses are meant to represent a vivid sunset and each lady must pick, smooth, and use her own stones. They are said to become part of the dancer during the process.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keWtdNb0nMo

There is lots of other stuff, but dance is my “thing” when it comes to Polynesia so that’s what I speak about when it comes to culture.

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I know it was normal, but it also had a destructive effect on the local wildlife. Which is of course not limited to the Polynesians, but humans all over the planet which have colonized new land.

Disney movies usually have some sort of messages these days, so a little message in that regard wouldn't hurt either. We could for instance have seen them find a pair of islands, where they decided that the neighbor island should not be colonized by farm animals to respect the wildlife already living there.

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I know it was normal, but it also had a destructive effect on the local wildlife. Which is of course not limited to the Polynesians, but humans all over the planet which have colonized new land.


It doesn't have a destructive factor if there isn't anything there to begin with. Moana's story takes place before all of the islands were discovered and many didn't have anything edible. It wouldn't make any sense to say it's bad in a movie that takes place when it wasn't an issue.

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If it was a naked island with no plants or animals perhaps, but that was not the case. A link that could be of interest:

http://www.botany.hawaii.edu/basch/uhnpscesu/pdfs/kirch1982.pdf

Another link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK232371/

Approximately 9,600 species of birds exist today. The prehistoric human colonization of Pacific islands (Melanesia, Micronesia, and Polynesia) resulted in the loss of as many as 2,000 species of birds, especially flightless rails, but also petrels, ibises, herons, ducks and geese, hawks and eagles, megapodes, sandpipers, gulls, pigeons and doves, parrots, owls, and passerines. The world avifauna would be about 20% richer today had islands of the Pacific remained unoccupied by humans.

Most of the extinct land birds were omnivores, frugivores, granivores, or nectarivores; indigenous plants might have depended on those birds for pollination or seed dispersal. Many species of Pacific island trees and shrubs seem to have no natural means of intra- or interisland dispersal today. Because island biotas are so degraded (i.e., so many populations and species already are extinct), endangered-species programs on islands face an extraordinary challenge to maintain conditions that might permit the long-term survival of the remaining species.

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And how would you work that into the story?

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