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Act of Killing was a great film


and was complete IMO. This just seems like milking

"Gold buys a mans silence for a time. A bolt to the heart buys it forever"

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I'm pretty sure this is just the continuation of the story (not the story of Anwar Congo of course) that Joshua Oppenheimer wasn't able to fit into one film.
He wanted to make one film on the perpetrators and one on the victims.
In fact all of the work done in Indonesia by Oppenheimer for this film was completed before the release of the Act of Killing, since he knew he might become persona non grata after its premiere.

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I agree. The Act of Killing is a masterpiece.
The Look of Silence made me a bit uncomfortable watching it, especially the end, because Ramli's brother is, IMO, and as an Indonesian himself, way too straightforward in his questioning. That is why the culprits and their family members remind him several times of that during the interviews. Asians do not ask straightforward questions. Western journalists do that.
Also, as a European of Indonesian descent who's learning about the '68 tragedies and wants to know what happened... It's clear who was part of all this, and that the government is to blame greatly; so blaming killers who were hired and paid to slaughter people is understandable, but first blame the people who employed them and gave orders. A killer does not question the orders. He's not to tell if Communism is good or bad. Back then people actually blamed the Communists for everything. Kind of like Hitler and nazism. You blamed the Jews, the gay, the foreigners, etc. The 68' events were taught in school from one side and they still are, like you see in the beginning. "History is written by the winners."

So let me add this... Will we ever see a documentary about the corrupt and messed up government and consequences that are still felt today? How about the Indonesian students in Russia and Eastern Europe countries who couldn't go back home until recently, because they studied in Communist countries? This would be way more difficult to tell. It was brought up in the AOK but never would someone blame the government for the consequences which we can still feel today.

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The Act of Killing, as well as The Look of Silence, is framed by the fact that there was government participation on both the side of the U.S. and Indonesia, -and it's a context important enough that Oppenheimer made sure to put it into the film- but taking it in that direction would have made the films a more historical undertaking. It would have taken us out of the physical space where the atrocities occurred. It would have lost the intimacy and personality of the films that is so important and makes them great pieces of art.

To say that these people were simply following orders is such an overstatement, and works only to grossly brush over their active complicity and participation in the genocide, not to mention their disgusting and excessive boasting after the fact. Their lack of remorse and guilt is just another example of them not "just following orders." They seemed more than willing to take up the cause. The leaders of these paramilitary groups, and so many others, should be held just as accountable.

Joshua Oppenheimer wanted to make a film about countless victims that quite literally live next door to their perpetrators and murderers of their families; perpertrators that are celebrated for what they did. That is a situation rarely, if ever seen, especially on this scale. The films are so much about the people, both the victims and perpetrators, inhabiting and revisiting these spaces of horrible atrocities. He wanted to make a film about the people who have been denied the right to properly mourn their lost ones, because the ones lost are never acknowledged, at least not as people. They're not films about how it happened or why the governments initiated it. They're more personal than that. It's certainly a subject worth devoting two films to, and arguably many more since these films are just now blowing the lid off this issue and forcing people to take a serious look at what has happened over there.

A documentary look into the U.S. and Indonesian's role in the situation would be an excellent topic for a documentary, but that's not what these films are about. Nor do they need to be.


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don't watch it then

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I disagree. The Act of Killing concentrated on the perpetrators. This film concentrated on the victims. Thus he explores both sides of the story.






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