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Wouldn't Spider-Man's ideology land him on Cap's side?

posted 6 years ago by EvilPinata (1186)
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When Tony Stark recruits Peter Parker in this movie, Peter says "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you." Doesn't that explain majority of Cap's argument? He says "What if there's somewhere we need to go and they don't let us," as well as "If I see a situation pointed south, I can't ignore it. Sometimes I wish I could." Peter and him share the same type of burden if they don't help people that need it.

I really feel Tony left out quite a bit of information when recruiting Peter.

[–] AP (5295) 6 years ago

Yeah, not to mention that Tony was appealing to Peter's sense of hero worship where he could probably convince the kid to do just about anything. Tony can be sleazy at times. I got the feeling from Homecoming and Infinity War that he sort of felt remorse for getting Peter involved in the superhero game.

[–] EvilPinata (1186) 6 years ago

To be quite honest it made me lose some respect for his overall character.

[–] AP (5295) 6 years ago

Yeah, Tony's always been a bit of a jerk. It's what makes him a good foil for Cap.

[–] jakemon45 (1187) 5 years ago

I originally felt that was done very much on purpose, but then it was never followed up on. I absolutely expected Peter to realize this and switch sides.

[–] wrlord (1218) 5 years ago

He actually did in the comics.

[–] ManToTrust (1663) 4 years ago

Whether done intentionally or not, to leave him brainwashed to the point where he doesn’t even recognize his own hypocrisy, is an excellent commentary on the current state of media influence over your average citizen.

For example, wokeness is racism that enables white supremacist’s desire for a race war. For example, Derek Chauvin being committed despite witness and jury intimidation, abandons the standards people have on a fair trial and democracy. For example, giving billion dollar corporations a free pass to commit racist slavery and class oppression as long as they virtue signal.

The average person is dumb enough to abandon their values, in order to be accepted by their influential idols. Tony brainwashing Peter was a genius commentary on that!

[–] Corbell (10999) 4 years ago

Yes BUT, "brainwashing" is a touch strong. More like leading astray. Which makes sense, Peter is very young. Stark found him and asked him.

I suspect that if Captain America had found him, and asked him, he would have said yes to him, just as fast.

[–] ManToTrust (1663) 4 years ago

100%

[–] EvilPinata (1186) 4 years ago

Yeah I'd consider it manipulation more than brainwashing. Brainwashing in the MCU is completely different lol.

[–] Hans-Wilhelm (1372) 4 years ago

He is 16 or 17 years old.
He is just following what Stark told him.
He wasn't given literature on both sides, summing up the pros and cons arguments of each side and he wasn't given a week to read the data.....weigh how he feels and then make a decision.

He's a kid. Some superhero he is in awe of shows up in the flesh and asks for his help.....he helps. He's not delving into adult politics and declaring his political belief system. He is only following what Stark tells him.

[–] Otter (24464) 4 years ago

He was a kid, and Stark was dangling the promise of free college and a better life in front of him, with absolutely no discussion of the larger issues at stake. Stark was essentially paying a high school kid to join his side without explaining what anyone on either side was fighting for, which was massively unethical but not totally out of character.

Tony does unethical stuff all the time, which makes his campaigning for ethical oversight a bit hypocritical and silly. You know he won't stick to the rules, even if he asked for the rules in the first place!

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Peter was masturbating with the relative force of a spider: of course he's a bit shook!

[–] PaladinNJ (21762) 3 years ago

He's supposed to be a kid. He's easily influenced and suffering from a case of intense hero worship. Iron Man came to him so of course he sided with him.

[–] millsey72 (10914) 3 years ago

I wanted to call this a plot hole but I think you are right

[–] EvilPinata (1186) 3 years ago

It's definitely not a plot hole. Peter just didn't have all the information and thought he'd be doing some good by helping Iron Man.

[–] millsey72 (10914) 3 years ago

Agreed. I am trying hard these days not to over use the term plot hole