The 36 hour rule.


So, how does that work again? If you miss the next "jump" you're stuck forever in your current world? Seems very arbitrary, even by world-jumping sci-fi rules. The building can detect whether you've traveled before?

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I think the "36 hour rule" was perhaps arbitrarily chosen, to give enough time but not too much time. 36 is half-way between one and two days. However my first reaction was, if they get there in the daytime, which they did, 36 hours later will be night time. And the jumps keep alternating, day-night-day-night etc. Unless they are happening at 8 o'clock during the summer.

Overall I really enjoyed the fantasy in this story and the way it was presented. However the script, acting, directing, and cinematography all seemed just "OK" to me. That would include your observations about the "36 hour rule" and its rationale.

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ironically, if those are alternate universes, there would be many, where the sun has a different orbit and therefore 36 hours would have a different length. what about one without a sun, where they freeze to death as soon as they arrive?

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I suppose, if we take the story literally, that there could be an infinite number of parallel universes. But temper that with what we actually saw in the original Earth plus the other two that they visited. Each Earth seemed to have the same people at the same ages, just different situations. E.g. in the original the lawyer was desperately trying to gain the affections of the girl but in the last one they were married. So from those few tidbits of information it seems to me they were implying that the various Earths were pretty much in synchrony, same Sun and Moon, same length days and timed the same.

But since it is fiction then anything is possible, isn't it??

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that's true.

it boils down to this: the basic idea was usable. it they had not messed it up, we would have been able to suspend disbelief altogether and eventually would not end up here questioning things. know what i mean?

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They didn't mess nothing up in my eyes when it comes to the suspension of disbelief. I was able to come up with scifyesque explanations for most everything, including the nuke on the fly. It was no worse than having superman save someone from falling, yet ignoring the principle of someone just falling into him that killed them (as has been in superman movies that people did like, and Smallville).

It is called science fiction, it is really the premise that I look for. If there are huge plot holes in continuity. That is twice as important to me, and if it is a really great plot, and really good premise then it can go far, despite certain wtf liberties with science.

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"They didn't mess nothing up in my eyes when it comes to the suspension of disbelief."

good for you.

"I was able to come up with scifyesque explanations for most everything,"

c'mon, dude.

"It was no worse than having superman save someone from falling, yet ignoring the principle of someone just falling into him that killed them"

actually in the spiderman series one chick is actually killed that way.

"It is called science fiction, it is really the premise that I look for."

that has nothing to do with the suspense of disbelief. you seem to get that term mixed up with the term "plausible". SOD means that what is presented to us is done in a manner that we can ACCEPT it for the reality of the film, not that we believe it to be possible.

also science fiction is not a premise.

"if it is a really great plot, and really good premise then it can go far"

and that's exactly what's missing here

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c'mon, dude.

I really did.

actually in the spiderman series one chick is actually killed that way.

You still missed the point. Several well accepted movies did ignore it. So what if one actually gets it right. There are lots of movies that get problems in here right, should they be put in to prove the same point? Besides, I didn't even mention spider-man.

that has nothing to do with the suspense of disbelief. you seem to get that term mixed up with the term "plausible". SOD means that what is presented to us is done in a manner that we can ACCEPT it for the reality of the film, not that we believe it to be possible.


You really misunderstand me. I was mentioning two things. The subject at hand (the things you couldn't get around - for some reason), having nothing to do with the suspension of disbelief. Because they didn't seem to affect that in the slightest, if we use other standards of measure, compared to things that are less plausible.
And the second thing, that starts after the PERIOD, where I ranted on how a good premise is actually enough to overcome any trivial obstacle like a broken suspension of disbelief (which didn't happen here btw), which this has.


also science fiction is not a premise.

No crap. Really?
You really must have just glanced at half of what I wrote and either ignore half of it, or just didn't see it. I never said it was. I said a strong premise can go miles to overcome breaks in the suspension of belief. Can you keep the audience interested by a strong plot? There are many plots that can; although when it gets to the land of cartoons and spoofs(Scary movie series for instance) that alone can be a part of the premise - being so laughably broken.

and that's exactly what's missing here

No it isn't. The premise and plot of this, being such a tradional science fiction lover really fell into this show the first time I read what it was about, and then saw how they executed it, and made a better plot than sliders, etc and did it better. They can go in more directions, remain more grounded in reality, more believable and have way more fun for the modern era. Sliders for instance broke reality way more often, and was almost Hercules esque, in that silly funny era of hit shows. But because it was a good cast, good plot and it was fun - it didn't matter if some things didn't quite make sense.

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"I really did. "

don't be ridiculous.

"Several well accepted movies did ignore it. So what if one actually gets it right. There are lots of movies that get problems in here right, should they be put in to prove the same point? Besides, I didn't even mention spider-man. "

still doesn't have anything to do with SOD.you are still talkinging about what's "plausible".


"You really misunderstand me. I was mentioning two things. The subject at hand (the things you couldn't get around - for some reason), having nothing to do with the suspension of disbelief. Because they didn't seem to affect that in the slightest, if we use other standards of measure, compared to things that are less plausible.
And the second thing, that starts after the PERIOD, where I ranted on how a good premise is actually enough to overcome any trivial obstacle like a broken suspension of disbelief (which didn't happen here btw), which this has. "

look, if english is not your first language, just try simpler sentences.

"No crap. Really? "

yup. see, you learned something.

"You really must have just glanced at half of what I wrote and either ignore half of it, or just didn't see it. I never said it was. "

see two rows above.

"I said a strong premise can go miles to overcome breaks in the suspension of belief. "

what is that even supposed to mean?

"Can you keep the audience interested by a strong plot?"

a plot alone won't cut it. it is what you do with it.

"There are many plots that can;"

actually if done properly, you can make every basic plot into a good movie, one way or the other.

"although when it gets to the land of cartoons and spoofs(Scary movie series for instance) that alone can be a part of the premise - being so laughably broken. "

that's not a premise, that's a genre. are you sure you understood what a premise is?

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still doesn't have anything to do with SOD.you are still talkinging about what's "plausible".

By definition, if it is plausible, then you don't even need to suspend disbelief, or at least only your coincidence filter.

look, if english is not your first language, just try simpler sentences.

As a A student in English, and most of my other classes really, and having been born and raised in Pennsylvania, NY and Oklahoma (moved around a lot) and having graduated, I can say I am very comfortable in English. You shouldn't judge me, especially when you are spelling words like "talkinging" and making broken sentences. The same rules that give you those errors are the same I do. Trying to get thoughts out quickly on the keyboard and taking it easy. In my case, I have so many of them coming out they don't always come out organized. But always related into each other.


yup. see, you learned something.

You obviously learned sarcasm well.
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what is that even supposed to mean?

It means one thing is way more important than the other. And if one of those things is great, the other suddenly becomes much less important for an enjoyable product. Easy enough. What is so hard for you to follow here?

a plot alone won't cut it. it is what you do with it.

I never said it was, I said it was much more important, and anything about being too unbelievable (SoDB) is about #30 of things I am concerned about in any TV show. Should things be really good in that aspect? Yes. But will it make me stop watching anything by itself? Hell no. Usually it always boils down to bad chemistry, bad characters - or just in general. BAD WRITING. Most often, with the PLOT.

Also, what you do with it does count. But what you do with the plot is pretty much the same the plot. I think you mean the premise. Yes, some shows have butchered the premise greatly, and wasn't enough to overcome issues. Like the 100. Great premise, and it kept me watching it for 1.5 seasons before giving up on its shear stupidity factor. It wasn't anything about not believing (but some of the retarded science was there, like the radio/balloon plot device they used ignored some basic rules how they worked - I remember explaining it on their boards a long time ago - but I will have to rewatch it again to remember exactly what happened on the show that was incorrect), but it came down to just stupid/annoying characters and really retarded writing plots that made me give up.


actually if done properly, you can make every basic plot into a good movie, one way or the other.

It isn't whether it is basic or advanced.
I said if it was good or bad. A really great plot can be really simple. And a really great plot opens up the gates to so much. Star Trek shows for instance, was really simple - futuristic. And it carried a ton.



that's not a premise, that's a genre. are you sure you understood what a premise is?

One of your problems is you can't think outside of the box. Not everything is black and white, and there is something called an OVERLAP.
YES, it is a genre.
BUT.
The PREMISE of some of the humor itself (look up the word premise), is often part of the comedy. If you think it isn't, perhaps you should learn what premise means - because I do. Perhaps I should go dig up a list of examples on using it in this context for you?
I can use many words for many different things, often incredibly similar, but in a different context and meaning yet still be very much correct from an English/grammar point of view.

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Superman does not actually fly, he levitates, this means that he has control over gravity. So while a bird or vehicle must keep moving, Superman can just sit there in place in the air. It is possible that he creates a gravity well around himself and that this can be dangerous to those around if he is not aware that they are within his vicinity, when he is manipulating gravity.

Smallville is the type of drek that is made for teenyboppers who don't even appreciate a good comic. Case in point; they took a cool character like Doomsday and ruined him, was nothing like the original at all. Thats not canon; that is garbage. One should not confuse the two.



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Based on the show it seems there is a copy of that building on all worlds as the cops on our world described the building as long abandoned. I presume the traveling building somehow merged with the static building when it travels to each world. When it leaves you're stuck in the static building unless it returns, unlikely given the vast possibly infinite number of worlds it can choose from. Of course if as implied its being guided by someone or something the odds are not random at all.

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Yeah, I didn't get that part either. She says the jumps happen every 36 hours, but if you miss the jump, you're stuck there. But then, I thought you said there's a jump every 36 hours, which is it?

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The building jumps every 36 hours to a new world. Once it's gone from the world it was on if you're not on it you've missed the ride

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I wonder if the building itself never changes; what if it's stationary in time, space, and dimension, and whoever's in it during that shift at the 36 hour mark gets shunted off to the next earth in the jump. If you miss the one at that mark, wait around 36 more hours, and go to the next one in the queue. That's how I perceived its operation, anyway.

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No, it was clear. If you miss the jump, you are stuck on that world.

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Maybe this explanation is too simple, but she could be lying. She is obviously manipulating them for some purpose, and she is the only one that speaks on this 36 hr rule. A machine of this advanced nature would follow this time frame to the second if it were true, not "around 36 hrs" like she said when the were trying to escape the nuke. Its controlled by people upstairs, as implied by the end if the film (Lying about "nothing above the 7th floor" more than likely too). No reason to believe any "facts" in this guys, consider the source...

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