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Why did the critics love it?


Most people here, and generally most people I ask, found this movie pretentious, boring and pointless. I will go even further and say that this and all the previous movies of this guy were STUPID. I will not spend my time explaining why with arguments and whatever, it's not worthy.

But what I really don't get is how ALL critics loved "The Lobster", and rated it with 9/10 or 4/5 whatever. You know what these ratings mean? Almost a masterpiece. This movie, a masterpiece?? Like, this movie is perfect?? Wow... Yes, ok, it had an initial interesting idea, it would make an interesting short film of about 20 minutes, and actually this is the time during which the movie has some interest, but after that, it goes nowhere. Void. Especially the second half, I don't remember anything from it. All I remember is how freakin' bored I was feeling. And no, I'm not someone who watches only blockbusters or whatever. Antonioni is one of my favourite directors, and if you have seen some of his films, you know that they're slow. And in some of them, nothing "much" is happening, like in "Blowup", but you really understand what he wants to say, and he doesn't have to have "weird" concepts or unnecessary shocking scenes to impress us. What a cheap way to cause some fuss. And this guy does it in ALL his movies. All his movies, besides having weird pointless and naive concepts, they have shocking, violent scenes, just for cheap impression.

I even found "Dogtooth" overrated, but the admiration for "The Lobster" is even more excessive. This director reminds me a lot of the other hugely overrated, Lars Von Trier. Their movies not only show an ugly and sick side of the world, but they do it with an ugly way. So it beats me how people "love" them.

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It's funny: I agree with you on some points, but we part ways on others. I share your puzzlement that this film was one of the best-reviewed of the past couple years. I gave it a 6/10, so a very mild "thumbs up", because it would have (as you say) made a great short, and there are individual scenes that are strong. At other points, I was bored and kept checking the time left, impatient for it to end.

However, this is only the second movie from this filmmaker I've seen, and the other one was Dogtooth, which I absolutely loved: 9/10 (and there are only 40 films that get 10/10 from me). So this was very disappointing, and I'm wondering how his other films will rate for me.

I also partially disagree with you about Lars von Trier. I've seen four of his films, and two of them (Breaking the Waves and Melancholia) get 9/10 from me, while the other two (Dancer in the Dark and Antichrist) rate a 5/10. So it is true that so far, Lanthimos is on a similarly schizoid trajectory!

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I neglected to say that I was once a big admirer of Trier, up until "Dancer in the Dark", which despite how depressing it was, I really thought it was a good film. Same with "Breaking with Waves", and even "The Idiots", and basically everything besides "Epidemic", which I hated. And with "Dogville", although I admired the concept of it (I found it a terrific idea that the whole film was in a stage with rooms without walls and all that), I sensed that this guy is just a show-off. I didn't like any of his later films (besides "The Boss of it All" which no one saw, but it was an ok "comedy"). Actually, I hated them, especially "Antichrist" and "Nymphomaniac: Vol.II". The end of that movie was so stupid (the first "Nymphomaniac" was somewhat interesting enough).

And to be honest, I sort of liked the first film of Lanthimos called "Kinetta". Nobody saw it, it had an extremely limited release here in Athens, and it was never released on DVD (as far as I know), but it was an interesting (but pretty pointless too) experimental film. But he didn't try to prove anything, he just did it as an exercise.
(He had done one more before that, in 2001, but it has nothing to do with the rest of his filmography, it was a typical Greek comedy that no one would see or like or even understand outside of Greece).

But the thing is that his last 3 movies were basically the same thing. Different plot, but exactly the same intentions. And now, he just finished another film with another "big" cast. He got Nicole Kidman now (who, to be frank, is forgotten by Hollywood -and the big audience- the last decade or so). And what is the story? "A teenager's attempts to bring a brilliant surgeon into his dysfunctional family takes an unexpected turn". Do you see? The same thing again. Dysfunctional family (like "Dogtooth", and basically ALL his characters in all his films are dysfunctional), and "unexpected turn". Which means of course some more shocking and disturbing scenes and "twists". I don't know, MAYBE this one will be better somehow, but if it's again the same thing, and the critics praise it and it gets big awards at festivals again...then I'll know for sure that something weird is happening. The normal thing would be for critics to say "ok, he's a good director, but he gets repetitive, he does the same movie over and over again". But if they don't admit it with his new film and say again what a masterpiece he made, I will feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone...

And the sad thing is that the greatest director of the last decade (for me), Terrence Malick, he also makes the same film over and over again, but EVERYBODY said for his last 2 films "oh, the same thing again, how pretentious and boring...". But the difference is that Malick is a true artist who doesn't give a damn about box office and awards, he's like a monk, every film of his is like a prayer. He doesn't need stupid shocking scenes to impress us. And, no matter what, no one can argue that his films are visually BEAUTIFUL and astounding. And yet, nobody gives a damn about Malick, the critics snub him, and they praise Lanthimos.
(Ok, to be fair, "The Tree of Life" did win Palm D'Or and was nominated for Best Picture and Director at the Oscars, but his 2 next films after that were bashed).

Update: I just saw that "The Lobster's" rating in IMDB dropped at 7.1! Which possibly means that it can drop even to 6.9 after some time! That's a bit encouraging! Thank God, I'm not the only one!

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Uh oh, we are diverging again, but interestingly enough it's about another director whose filmography elicits widely diverging opinions from me. I've seen three Malick films: Badlands (9/10), Days of Heaven (7/10), and Tree of Life (4/10). The latter is visually beautiful, yes. But it's also aiming in a direction I detest: a sort of syrupy, pseudointellectual "spiritual" mush. Any thirty seconds taken at random would make a great AT&T commercial though.

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I'm glad that you liked "Badlands" and "Days of Heaven", but how did you miss "The Thin Red Line"?? It's his most "normal" film. Well, ok, as well as the 2 first ones, but it's his most known film, and it was even nominated for 7 Oscars! And most importantly, it was his first film after...20 years! He had done those 2 early films, and then he became a mythical "vanished" director, so when he returned with "The Thin Red Line", it was a big thing, every actor in Hollywood wanted to play in it.

But MY favourite Malick film is the one he did after that, "The New World". Which is actually my favourite film the last 15 years in general. It's a "transition" for him, because it combines the epicness of "The Thin Red Line", and the non-traditional narrative style that he would establish in his next films.

I will not argue about "The Tree of Life" or any of his next films with you or anyone. It's like you're saying to me "I don't believe in God because I can't see him". No one could change your mind no matter what. No one can use arguments to make someone appreciate a film of his. You just feel them or not.
But for what it's worth, I completely understand why some (or most) people don't like them. Basically for the reasons you mention. Yes, it's very easy to say "oh, what a pseudo-intellectual piece of crap, he walks in the desert for half an hour, ok, we get it, he feels an existential loss, big deal". Just like an ambient one-track album doing the same monotonous thing for an hour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfHCt5z1kd8
You think that Brian Eno won't know that people will say "what is this?? This is stupid, it's nothing!". But why should he care? He does what he feels like doing for his own reasons, and whoever gets it, they get it.

But even me, with Malick's last 3 films, and especially the last 2 ("To The Wonder" and "Knight of Cups"), at some points, especially after an hour or so, I felt, not bored exactly, but tired and puzzled. But I don't see them as films, just like Eno's album, I don't see it as "music", there is no "rule" about them. They're an experience. And no matter their "flaws" and observations like "well, it could be 20 minutes shorter", they are what they are. I'm not saying that his recent films are "masterpieces" like "Citizen Kane" or whatever, and like I said, there are some moments in them that I don't find them "significant", but I don't care, I feel like watching them over and over again, and I love them, as well as their "imperfections".

I'm gonna stop here now because I just realized I'm not in a Malick board, but...in "The Lobster's"! It's sacrilegious to talk about Malick in a board of a Lanthimos film...Good heavens...

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Most people here, and generally most people I ask, found this movie pretentious, boring and pointless.


Lol same here, except I loved the movie. It's one of my favorites of the year. Honestly, the conversations I've had with people who have hated it makes me like it even more.

I dunno about the critics, but I liked it because it was different, funny, and mostly not formulaic with some very interesting things to say about coupling in our culture. And I'm not typically a fan of every weird oddball film that comes out, but this one got me.

Thematically it reminds me of a movie I really loved from 10 years ago called The Bothersome Man.

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Let's say that the first half at the hotel was somewhat interesting, but didn't you feel bored at the second part at the woods?

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Let's say that the first half at the hotel was somewhat interesting, but didn't you feel bored at the second part at the woods?


Not at all. In fact, the second part in the woods enhances the first part in the hotel because it's a total reverse of the situation. In the hotel he was encouraged to find a mate but wasn't really attracted to anyone there, then in the woods he finds a woman he is attracted to, who is attracted to him, who he shares a trait with, but the rules of the loner society forbids them from coupling.

What I found fascinating about The Lobster are the absurd rules on coupling imposed on the characters both in the hotel and in the woods because, when you think about it, real life has equally absurd rules we all just accept. The movie finds a way to indirectly question those rules.

The loner society are, well, loners so it makes sense they would live out in the woods away from lots of people and crowds, the irony being that's where David finds a woman he wants to be with. I've only seen the movie once months ago but am planning to see it again so I'm hoping to get even more insight into the characters I might not have caught the first time.

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What I found fascinating about The Lobster are the absurd rules on coupling imposed on the characters both in the hotel and in the woods because, when you think about it, real life has equally absurd rules we all just accept.
Rules about what? Coupling? Do we live in a society in which the "authorities" tell us who to mate with? No, and it will never happen. That's why I don't find the film important, because its "allegory" is about nothing. It's just a "gimmick" shallow concept. And the idea of turning into animals? Even more shallow. The whole film is a gimmick, nothing more.

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Rules about what? Coupling? Do we live in a society in which the "authorities" tell us who to mate with?


Not the authorities, although I suppose if you're gay or live in a country where arranged marriages are a thing, then yes in those cases.

The whole film is a gimmick, nothing more.


That's because you're only thinking about the movie's message from a surface level. The whole concept of the hotel portion (which represents general society) is that being single is bad and everybody MUST pair off even if they don't love each other. The "get turned into an animal" part is just a funny bit that serves as incentive for the people to find a mate.

Just think, 99% of all movies books and TV shows center around two people trying to get together or trying to stay together because coupling is always the end goal. There is no Valentines Day for single people. We are constantly encouraged to be with someone whether we want to or not, even if we don't meet someone we are that interested in we are still forced to pick a partner because of social norms. If you are single something is wrong with you.

And then if you do partner with someone you are pressured to "put a ring on it" because society tells us that's what you're supposed to do and practically every stick of media and advertising reinforces that notion. The hotel portion of the movie takes a (very!) satirical look at that part of social coupling.

Then we see the loner camp which I see as more of an allegory for forbidden love with equally absurd rules as the hotel. There you see two people who want to couple, but the rules say they can't, so they have to sneak around and do it. The Loner Leader represents people who don't believe in "true love", only in selfishness, so she sets out to prove it by making couples in the hotel turn on each other and blinding the Nearsighted Woman because there people who are so lonely and angry at the fact they don't have a partner that they feel no one else should be happy and have a partner.

The movie ends with David having to choose between blinding himself to be with Nearsighted Woman because he truly loves her, or not, proving Loner Leader right that true love is just a social construct and that we're all selfish. And the movie smartly doesn't tell us which choice David makes because what YOU think he did speaks to which ideology you agree more with.

I really appreciated The Lobster for allowing me to reach my own conclusions instead of explaining everything or beating me over the head with what I should think like most movies do.

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The whole concept of the hotel portion (which represents general society) is that being single is bad and everybody MUST pair off even if they don't love each other.
George Clooney was "single" for 40 years or whatever, and not only he was very popular, but it made him very desirable (by women) too. And many other famous guys may be single , but it's super acceptable. I mean, ok, of course they date women every now and then, and there is gossip about it, but many "playboys" don't have a steady relationship for many years. Not now, not even in the '60s or whenever.
But ok, you'll say that they are different occasions, because they're rich and famous and they can do whatever they want. But really, everyone is single at some periods of their life. They can have a relationship for 8 years, and then they break up, and they are single for a year or so. Someone must be very stupid and narrowminded to "judge" them for that.

Just think, 99% of all movies books and TV shows center around two people trying to get together or trying to stay together because coupling is always the end goal.
Well, yeah, duuuh, can you imagine if 99% of the movies were about people who were alone and didn't have sex?? Of course coupling is everybody's need and desire. And being single every now and then is an absolutely natural thing. Yes, of course if you're a never married single 40 year old woman like...Bridget Jones, some women of your circle are gonna gossip about it, but is this what "The Lobster" is talking about? Half the people I know over 35 are married or have a relationship, and the other half are single. What's the big deal? Who's gonna point a finger at them and say "youuuu are 37 and you're single?? What is wrong with youuuu??". Come on, this is 2016, not 1936... :p

There is no Valentines Day for single people.
Hell, if you ask me, there shouldn't be Valentine's Day at all! And I'm sorry, but there is no need to explain why. It's just...stupid. You love someone? Then prove it every day, and that's enough.

We are constantly encouraged to be with someone whether we want to or not, even if we don't meet someone we are that interested in we are still forced to pick a partner because of social norms. If you are single something is wrong with you.
Ok, I admit that in SMALL societies, a single woman, say, 30 years old, feels some pressure from the surrounding environment. Her relatives, her neighbours, the grocery shop lady, etc. But I repeat, in SMALL societies, and I mean small towns where everyone knows everyone. But in a city of 5 million people, who's gonna care about if you're single or not? Besides your mother or grandma?
And also, of course a woman over 30 has another reason to be worried about, and that's her biological clock. Because if they want to have a child, it has to be done someday before 40. But this has nothing to do with society, but with nature. And in general, the whole pressure is also relative with the insecurity of a character. There are some women even 25 years old, and they are so f--king insecure, "oooh, I'm 25 and single, my life is over!". But this is not because of society, it's because of weak character.
And there are also a lot of women who don't want to get married and/or have a child, and they are 40 and go to parties and screw around with guys. Like Samantha from Sex and the City. Who told her "ooooh, you're 40 and not married yet??". This was NYC of the 21st century, not a small village in the south of the 1930s.

I know what you mean, and your thoughts have a basis, because yes, in general, there is and always was the concept of "you HAVE to mate". But again, in the bottomline, it doesn't have to do with society, but with nature. So let's say that we all live in a 100% open-minded society, in which no one would judge anyone, whether they're single or not. Wouldn't you STILL feel the need and the INSIDE personal pressure to find someone to mate? Yes? So? What is "The Lobster" talking about? About the most obvious and natural thing in the world?

And you know what? So ok, "The Lobster" is a satirical allegory of this subject. But I prefer to watch a film about REAL loneliness, and REAL single-ness, and REAL desire to find someone and all that. And there are so many films out there about these subjects. A gimmick film like "The Lobster" doesn't say anything to me. I didn't feel anything about ANY of the characters, I didn't care about any of them, because they were not even characters for me, they were like cold soulless androids, just like ALL the characters of all the films of this director. He hasn't made a single film about a human being you can relate to, and say "yes, that person could exist in this world".

The movie ends with David having to choose between blinding himself to be with Nearsighted Woman because he truly loves her, or not, proving Loner Leader right that true love is just a social construct and that we're all selfish.
Like I said, this director always chooses pain and violence to express his allegoric ideas. It's just a cheap shocking gimmick. "Dogtooth" was full of it. I'm not saying films shouldn't have violence, of course violence is a huge part of this world, but me personally, I can see when someone uses it because the story really has to use it, and when he uses it just to make some fuss in film festivals (same goes with explicit sex scenes of other films). I don't see any honesty in this guy's films, sorry. And his next film is gonna be exactly the same.

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Okay, I'm gonna go with they're a bunch of ignorant, pretentious idiots. Sorry that's all I can come up with.






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