Stanley Kubrick


It's like he came back from the grave, and made one more.

Fantastic film. Personally I felt his influence all over this one.

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Definitely the most Kubrickian film not directed by Kubrick himself I've ever seen. very Clockwork/Lyndon-esque.

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There is even an influence on the score: when the nosebleed girl is swimming, and when she goes in for her blinding surgery, that melody/motif is a direct copy of the main motif from The Shining.

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Man. I thought I was the only person who got the Barry Lyndon vibe from the instrumental motifs and the nature tableaus—it was that brief golfing scene that hit it home for me. Cheers!

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god, how can you people be so undemanding? so far i have read in this thread comparisons to kubrick and lynch. you are out of your mind. if kubrick would have ended up with this film, he would have taken his name off it.

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Seeing how this was better than Eyes Wide Shut, Lolita, Full Metal Jacket, and Sparticus (all of which are fairly mediocre films)...No.

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oh, so you were just being sarcastic? phew, thank god.

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For the record even Kubrick's lesser films were far better than this, and I say this having given TL a 7, which is not bad.

But Kubrick? Imo right behind Bergman.

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Let's look at Eyes Wide Shut, for example, as a standalone film. Forget that Kubrick directed it and judge it objectively. It's not a particularly good film. Kubrick is one of my fav directors of all time (maybe my fav), but he is human after all and not without missteps.

Same goes for Lynch (even more so).

The Lobster is totally unique and novel, and that alone, this far into cinema history, is an insane accomplishment. I've never seen a film that juxtaposed such laugh-out-loud humor against cringe-inducing horror so effectively. That's a really difficult tone to pull off. Maybe it was upsetting for you, but to outright dismiss a highly-regarded film as garbage without providing a well-articulated reason says more about you than it does about the film.

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"Let's look at Eyes Wide Shut, for example, as a standalone film. Forget that Kubrick directed it and judge it objectively."

done. still exceptional.

"Kubrick is one of my fav directors of all time (maybe my fav), but he is human after all and not without missteps."

if that's so, eyes wide shut is an extremely bad example.

"Same goes for Lynch (even more so). "

depends. he lost himself in digital technology with inland empire. nevertheless it still has more meat than this one.

"The Lobster is totally unique and novel,"

utter nonsense. what's supposedly so special about it?

"and that alone, this far into cinema history, is an insane accomplishment. "

it's rather generic.

"I've never seen a film that juxtaposed such laugh-out-loud humor against cringe-inducing horror so effectively. "

are you sure that it was supposed to be taken that way? anyways, compared to roy andersson's recent trilogy, sono's almost complete ody of work, haneke's funny games and many more, this is laughable in comparison.

"That's a really difficult tone to pull off. "

obviously not. see above.

"Maybe it was upsetting for you,"

and maybe you are looking for excuses.

"but to outright dismiss a highly-regarded film"

means others liked it more than one self. nothing more, nothing less.

"without providing a well-articulated reason"

did that in detail multiple times. and no, it's not garbage. the concept holds up for the first half of the film and then it slowly fades into becoming less and less on point, until it eventually loses all grip. the concept could have been tight, if done by a better writer. unfortunately it wasn't.i have seen worse, but this is far from kubrick's level.

"says more about you than it does about the film."

hahaha. hollow phrases again. sad, so sad.

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the concept holds up for the first half of the film and then it slowly fades into becoming less and less on point, until it eventually loses all grip.


It doesn't lose its grip, it just shifts focus to show the futility/hypocrisy in the rebellion against the establishment. It's a second act. Themes are allowed to shape-shift and take dramatic turns.

Also, I personally hate movies with clear-cut agendas/thesis. They're incredibly rigid and dull (The Babadook comes to mind). I mean Lynch is the king of messy, abstract subtext that doesn't coalesce into a focused thesis statement. I don't need artists who THINK they have clean-cut answers, i need artists who provoke by asking interesting questions and then exploring them intelligently. If the former is what ur looking for, go watch a *beep* Pixar movie. zzzz

Also, Haneke's tone, while certainly dark and comedic, is COMPLETELY different and not laugh-out-loud funny AT ALL.

are you sure that it was supposed to be taken that way?


Yes I'm 100% certain. The director has even said so himself. It's a dark comedy. If you didn't find it laugh-out-loud funny then that's a huge indication of why you didn't like it. I can assure you, at the very least, it succeeded on that level. It was hilarious.

Also, eyes wide shut is an entirely unnecessary, self-serious slog. Most people would agree with me. And Funny Games is just torture porn for art's sake. Absolutely nothing remarkable about either.

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I thought there were several problems with the direction and editing. Lea Seydoux was not effective, and her character was not plausible. The narrative had several issues, such as the visit to the city of 3 women. These have been discussed elsewhere. I do not want to take time beyond what I have already here, other than to say I find the comparison to Kubrick laughable.

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I think the technical flaws weren't even that significant, except for the obvious script problems, which on the other hand were quite disastrous. The first part half of the film was entertaining and conclusive. The concept itself worked that far, but as soon as the second segment makes it clear that now the other extreme would be portrayed, I had my worries that it will not play out so well and in the end, it didn't. At times the director exaggerates his POV to a level, where the focus on the sheer portrayal of the extreme happens at the expense of the actual points he tries to make. I would not completely disregard the idea that he only had the first part figured out and did not settle with himself as to what he wanted to say in the first place.

yeah, the comparison with Kubrick, be it script wise, be it from any other technical angle, is beyond laughable.


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Wow dude you sound like you really suck

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i have to bow down to such an eloquent and sharp witted response. that really had an impact on me.

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After reading your comments, I didn't feel the need to prove my wit and eloquence to you. I did, however, feel the need to tell you that I think you suck.

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don't lie to me. after reading my post, you felt aroused and wanted my attention. you know it, i know it. now, wanna make out or do you insist on keeping on playing games?

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You got me ;(

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daaaaamn straight, sugarcube.

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Oh for Gods sake. Stop taking an opinion so personally. Art is subjective. If someone feels that "The Lobster" evokes work by Kubrick or Lynch, its simply their opinion. Why you feel that you must flog the poster with a line by line critical analysis is beyond me.

Et lux perpetua luceat eis

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For the record even Kubrick's lesser films were far better than this


Fear and Desire? Kubrick disowned that and tried to have it destroyed.

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No No No a million times NO!!!

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I don't think he missed the plot and nor did I. Fact is we got the plot. It was clear as day. However for a 2nd act it was weak. It was like the story started again in a new world. There is nothing wrong with doing this. Kubrick pretty much did it in Full Metal Jacket and Barry Lyndon. But the structure of The Lobster is all over the place.
I'm glad you enjoy it. I love films that try to go somewhere new and surreal, this film did that, but when I got there I wanting more. But I personally agree that comparing this film to anything Kubrick made is an insult to Kubrick, but it clearly has Kubrick influence. You can watch his films multiple times and still find something new. Whereas an intelligent person will get the bulk of the Lobster in one or two viewings.

I would loved to have seen what Kubrick would have done with this. He would have rewritten it so it was his. He would have made the hotel colourful and made the world a character. He would not have been repetitious with that horrible music they kept playing every time the director needed to tell the audience a plot point was happening. He would have thrown the ending in the bin like he did for A Clockwork Orange. Kubrick was never ambiguous, if anything he gave beyond what was expected with his endings.

It was weird because I loved the preview, it was such a unique dystopia. Just the film was not for me I guess.



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"However for a 2nd act it was weak."

i don't know if you two talked about in another thread, but right here he did never question that.

"It was like the story started again in a new world."

i disagree. it did not feel like a different world, it was the other side of the coin, but clearly in the same universe.

"Kubrick pretty much did it in Full Metal Jacket and Barry Lyndon."

not comparable, but that would be a discussion in itself. it is not even comparable within the two films you named.

"I'm glad you enjoy it. "

did he?

"I love films that try to go somewhere new and surreal, this film did that, but when I got there I wanting more."

agreed. it did not deliver.

"But I personally agree that comparing this film to anything Kubrick made is an insult to Kubrick, but it clearly has Kubrick influence."

how so? even kubrick himself switched up his style in a rather extreme manner.

"You can watch his films multiple times and still find something new."

example?

"I would loved to have seen what Kubrick would have done with this."

no offense, but this kind of thought is absolute nonsense. considering kubricks body of work, why would he even be interested in such a mondane piece of script in the first place?

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HA

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I totally see that, except this movie is actually good. Unlike all of his, save maybe two.

Those seven years of MacGyver finally payed off

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Oh PUH-Lease! Don't insult the late, great Stanley Kubrick by suggesting that he would turn out a piece of cinematic crap like this dreck!





Schrodinger's cat walks into a bar and doesn't.

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Same immediate impression.

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