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Why would Carver have to be forgiven?


If it was his wife who lost the evidence why would he need to be forgiven?

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He feels guilty because he promised (like this time) that he would catch whoever did this. And he couldn't keep his promise.

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He feels guilty because he promised (like this time) that he would catch whoever did this. And he couldn't keep his promise.

Then it seems Raymond should have said "she forgives you for not keeping your promise" or something like that.

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I wondered on how he was able to get the exact correct info on this.


Did she admit/explain everything to him. It would seem not, so why is he so sure it happened as we are lead to believe. I do not remember the episode where this came to discussion. Can anyone help me with this.

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The evidence, including the pendant, would have already been logged and bagged at the scene, (the car the perp sold before he was arrested), so she would have had to explain why the evidence was now gone and why she was at the hotel, to Carver at least.

Sure she could have lied, but she probably decided to tell him the truth. She was probably scared about what would happen to her for screwing up such a big case like that.

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If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?

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He doesn't. But the psychic is full of sh!t. He just looked up Carver on line and incorporated that into his psychic routine.

Unless Alpert's covered in bacon grease, I don't think Hugo can track anything.

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I think the psychic is real. We'lll know next week!

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That is a point that doesn't translate well between the Scottish (presumably) Presbyterian Hardy and the American Carver. Part of Presbyterianism is the feeling of paying penance for one's mistakes until you're forgiven. Hardy used the term penance several times in Broadchurch.

Chances are Carver's cultural background isn't Presbyterian, so it isn't as logical that he'd need to be forgiven the way Hardy did.

In the Broadchurch novel, based on series 1, there is another clue to the reason for needing forgiveness -- both for Hardy and for Carver. The journalist who follows the detective's career remarks that he gets a suspect in his target and gets impatient -- which breeds mistakes. Not to spoil Broadchurch 2, but the detective was right to suspect who he did, but he didn't go far enough due to his rush to close the case and make an arrest. I think it's safe to say, the backstory on Carver's previous case was leaning the same way as Hardy's and we'd have become aware of his true mistake in Rosemont.

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Chances are Carver's cultural background isn't Presbyterian, so it isn't as logical that he'd need to be forgiven the way Hardy did.


Unless he was a moral human being even without benefit of religious beliefs. They do exist, y'know.

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If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?

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I just think it's an odd expression for an American to use in this day and age.

I found it interesting that the American writers didn't adapt it to "punishment" or "payback".

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I just think it's an odd expression for an American to use in this day and age.

I found it interesting that the American writers didn't adapt it to "punishment" or "payback".

Ok, NOW you're just talking about the terminology used. Your original point, however,

Chances are Carver's cultural background isn't Presbyterian, so it isn't as logical that he'd need to be forgiven the way Hardy did.

was about why he would feel such a strong need to be forgiven. Sure, "penance" may be a more religious-associated term, but the need to be forgiven isn't the sole purview of religious people.

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If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?

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Ah. True! I stand corrected on that.

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