It was cool to see a Saw writer be an actor, not to mention he was also pretty good and one of the very few characters who really wasn't evil.
I'm probably asking too much, but if they brought back Dr. Gordon, why not Adam?
He dead
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Damn.
Guess my thinking really was TOO wishful.
yup. i wish amanda would return somehow. it would be a stretch, but we haven't seen her death. yes, it was confirmed by being mentioned in saw 5, but that's no real proof.
shareApart from being shot in the throat in saw 3??
shareyou mean in total contradiction to that other dude that got his throat slit and came back and that dude that cut off his facking foot and did not bleed out? yeeaaaah, totally absurd, right? xD
shareChance of survival sawing foot off, slim but possible
Chance of survival being shot in the throat and every other character announcing everyone else died??
"Chance of survival sawing foot off, slim but possible "
hahaha. you kidding, right?
"Chance of survival being shot in the throat"
ahum, riggs came back after EXACTLY that. did you watch the films?
"every other character announcing everyone else died?? "
actually none of them did that. it was written in the police report by HOFFMANN and then quoted.
Amanda is someone we just have to accept as dead. I know they could bring her back, but it'd be far too contrived.
Tapp surviving his throat-slit is conceivable because the cut clearly wasn't too deep. (A cut neck isn't a death-sentence. If it's shallow, it's not that serious an injury, and even a deep cut can be survivable if medical attention is given immediately.)
Dr. Gordon was seen cauterizing his wound within minutes, and then almost immediately after given medical attention by John- so its conceivable.
Amanda was shot in the throat- a much messier wound potentially, was seen bleeding out, was seen dead on the ground, and wasn't even found by police for at least an hour after. She's just too definitely dead.
I'd love to see more Amanda (she's maybe my favorite character), but it'd have to be like it was in Saw VI- more flashbacks.
And FURTHERMORE, this is my signature! SERIOUSLY! Did you think I was still talking about my point?
they should try a way to bring her back. an "unreliable narrator" twist would do the job.
c'mon, gordobn cut off his foot with a rusty saw and was already blue in the face, while crawling out of the room. if we accept his resurrection, a shot to the chest shouldn't be an obstacle either. as far as i remember, we haven't actually SEEN her dead until a flashback in saw 7, which could also be reversed by claiming it was unreliable narration OR that it was a trick somewhat similar to the one jigsaw pulled in saw 1.
the proble is, how else could they continue the franchise? seriously, i found the dr gordon thing silly and should have happened in at installment 3 the very least or be forgottebn about. lamest twist ever. jill is also dead, which should be changed somehow as well. damn, as of right now i could even live with "saw 7 was just a dream" or a story jigsaw wrote or hoffmann or whatever.
if gordon continues the legacy, that would be beyond lame. if hoffmann is able to leave the room, that would be even lamer.
that leaves us with ... nothing and no-one. :(
She wasn't shot in the chest. She was shot through the throat and we saw her laying dead not only in Saw III after bleeding out, but also Saw IV (which takes place during and immediately after Saw III) and Saw V (which takes place after Saw III), and discover that Hoffman helped orchestrate her death in Saw VI. (Plus as a police officer, Hoffman would have made sure Amanda was 100% dead to cover his own butt.) Add to that the fact that by even a conservative estimate (let's say 20 minutes at least), at least a short while passed between Amanda being shot and her body being discovered, giving too much time for her to have bled out, gone brain-dead and then died.
An "unreliable narrator" or "it was all just a story" twist just wouldn't work in Saw because the films are told very matter-of-fact, and it's not the sort-of series to go through such contrivances. (Say what you want about how convoluted the series got... it tried to keep itself loosely grounded in a sort-of "realism.")
I understand f you think the Gordon twist was lame, but I disagree. Especially as we know there are other accomplices as well who are still unnamed. (But were meant to be some of the other survivors in the original script.) There's more than enough wiggle-room for the legacy to be carried on in any potential follow-ups.
And FURTHERMORE, this is my signature! SERIOUSLY! Did you think I was still talking about my point?
"She wasn't shot in the chest. She was shot through the throat and we saw her laying dead not only in Saw III after bleeding out, but also Saw IV (which takes place during and immediately after Saw III) and Saw V (which takes place after Saw III), and discover that Hoffman helped orchestrate her death in Saw VI. (Plus as a police officer, Hoffman would have made sure Amanda was 100% dead to cover his own butt.) Add to that the fact that by even a conservative estimate (let's say 20 minutes at least), at least a short while passed between Amanda being shot and her body being discovered, giving too much time for her to have bled out, gone brain-dead and then died. "
are you sure? as far as i remember, we see her getting shot and bleeding (not bleeding out) in saw III and IV. in saw V it was mentioned, but we don't actually see the rotting body until saw 7.
logic went out the window long time ago with the franchise, so i think they could make it work somehow. i know we won't ever agree on this, so let's agree to disagree, but if they have the nerve to let gordon cut off his foot and close to death make it out of the room and return 6 installments later, i think they can basically do whatever they want.
"An "unreliable narrator" or "it was all just a story" twist just wouldn't work in Saw because the films are told very matter-of-fact, and it's not the sort-of series to go through such contrivances. (Say what you want about how convoluted the series got... it tried to keep itself loosely grounded in a sort-of "realism.") "
true, BUT they damaged the whole concept in installment 5 and again gave a flying crap about the canon and concept in saw vii, so why not change it once more?
"I understand f you think the Gordon twist was lame, but I disagree. Especially as we know there are other accomplices as well who are still unnamed. (But were meant to be some of the other survivors in the original script.) There's more than enough wiggle-room for the legacy to be carried on in any potential follow-ups. "
yeah, they could bring back minor characters, but let's face it, all major players are dead. without rowing back some of the damage done at one point, i don't see this going anywhere.
are you sure? as far as i remember, we see her getting shot and bleeding (not bleeding out) in saw III and IV. in saw V it was mentioned, but we don't actually see the rotting body until saw 7.
Three days after Saw VI came out, I spent my hours writing a fan script of Saw VII. It wasn't like most fan-fictions just giving everyone what they wanted, but plausibility still came into play... and one of those plausible things was getting Adam out of that bathroom. I wrote him to survive and take photos for John.
It may sound ludicrous to you, but it was a very simple dialogue exchange between the two that made it happen. Very plausible.
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I would like to see that. 
shareYou probably won't like it much (mostly because it was a rush job and I don't know how to write screenplays since I included all of the camera cues haha), but I'll send it to you. I don't know how to attach anything on here, so send me your e-mail and I'll give it to there!
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All right!
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Haven't gotten a response yet. How did you enjoy the script scene?
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It was cool to see a Saw writer be an actor, not to mention he was also pretty good and one of the very few characters who really wasn't evil.Of all the characters I would have liked to see back it would have been Adam. Whilst obviously the first movie is a classic, I always felt like his "crime" that made him a victim wasn't really that bad and his death was undeserved - unlike later victims he wasn't a bad or selfish person, just a bit of a waster.
I'm probably asking too much, but if they brought back Dr. Gordon, why not Adam?
Of all the characters I would have liked to see back it would have been Adam. Whilst obviously the first movie is a classic, I always felt like his "crime" that made him a victim wasn't really that bad and his death was undeserved - unlike later victims he wasn't a bad or selfish person, just a bit of a waster.This goes for pretty much all the victims in 1 and most the victims in 2/3 as well. share
Well I guess Gordon's wasn't that bad but he was cheating on his wife, so that's worse than Adam. As was Amanda being a drug addict and wasting her life.
Adam being the everyman resonates with the audience, as people could put themselves (as "normal" people) in his situation, so guess that made his incarceration / death all the more horrible.
Shame though that we won't see him again as I loved his character the most out of all those in the series (with Strahm a close second).
Well I guess Gordon's wasn't that bad but he was cheating on his wife, so that's worse than Adam.
Now that I see this film has the exact same title as mine, I'm curious what else they're going to steal from my script. Hahaha.
Still very curious as to what you thought about how I kept Adam alive.
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Hey. We don't see him actually dead. We see Amanda putting a plastic bag over his head. She clearly removed it when he stopped moving and fighting. But what if he was just unconscious? What if he woke up after a few minutes with no bag over his head and fresh air everywhere? (Well, as fresh as can be in that place!)
What do you think? Haha. A bit of a stretch -- but this is Saw.
If you are curious on how I kept him alive in my script (which I have not touched in about seven years now), I can e-mail it to you.
I wouldn't mind putting it up here, but I don't know what sites upload PDF's so you can download a direct link from it.
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Check your e-mail. I described (more like "excused") why my script is how it is, but I point right to where the Adam moment happens.
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