So why aren't they also whining over the 'not-white' Wendy, then?
Eh?! ๐
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Unless I blinked, there was no Wendy in PAN!
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Not that it makes any difference on what they're whining about but live theatre casting is different than Hollywood. In live theatre they cast the person who gives the best audition. It's called 'blind casting' - nobody is hung up on what the character looks like, as long as they're portrayed well. Hollywood is different, you have to either have a big name or look good.
I'm assuming you're talking about a live production somewhere, anyway because there was no Wendy in this version.
...there was no Wendy in this version.
IMDB says there was: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm6450769/?ref_=rvi_nm
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IMDB says there was: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm6450769/?ref_=rvi_nm
She must've been some random person in the crowd, because that girl isn't familiar and she didn't have any lines.
There was no typical Wendy Darling role in this version. share
There was no typical Wendy Darling role in this version.
Well, that was rather my point, innit, that this Wendy (if it is indeed her, I haven't seen the film myself) is certainly not your typical Wendy! ๎
I just thought it was yet another good example of how the "that's racist!" yellers always seem to look in one direction and so rarely the other. Off the top of my head I can only think of one example when it was the other way round, and it took something as 'sacred' as a comic book character to bring that one on (and it was still interpreted quite differently).
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Well, that was rather my point, innit, that this Wendy (if it is indeed her, I haven't seen the film myself) is certainly not your typical Wendy!
You misunderstood. I didn't say typical Wendy. I said typical Wendy role. She's just not there. share
I haven't seen the film myself
Isn't this so often the way. Okay, get your head out yer bum and step away from the keyboard 'til you've seen it.
Wendy couldn't have been there (I've actually seen it so I'm a bit more reliable source than you). It starts in WWII. Wendy would have been about 55 by then.
So ... all YOU have managed to do is stir a pot that wasn't even there. And just who is the whiner? share
I think WWII was a goof. Shouldn't it have been WWI. Barrie died before WWII started and this movie is SUPPOSED to be a prequel to his Peter Pan stories.
P.S. I rather enjoyed the movie looking at it as an adult but through the eyes of the children who shared the viewing experience with me and loved it. This movie like all children's movies should NOT be reviewed by adults but by the children who it was intended for.
I wrote something similar. I don't mind the adult's point of view, but wish movie critics would take a child with them for the preview. I value their opinion in relationship to my Grandchildren. They did enjoy the film, although the youngest got a bit bored seeing the battle of the ships.
shareBasically shove in a token to shut people up. See The Last Airbender as another example.
shareI am unfamiliar with the "Peter Pan" story, but I have heard it is because "Tiger Lilly" is supposed to be an "Indian" character. And there has been some "outcry" over "White" characters being race swapped. Johnny Storm in Fantastic Four, Rue in the Hunger games. (Even though the girl was described as "Dark skinned in the books" many were upset they chose a black girl for the role, the Annie remake with black characters, etc.
shareThe Wendy they cast was black. I thought that was interesting too, that people were only complaining about Rooney which was definitely a double standard. However, luckily Wendy was cut and they cast all races for the tribe so race was a non issue in this story.
share"A double standard"?
Sure, because the situation of White actors and Native actors is exactly symmetrical.
People need to start understanding that, when dealing with race issues, there is NO symmetry of power between races.
How many roles are available out there for Native American actors and actresses? How many films even do portray Natives at all?
White people do not suffer from under-representation or stereotyping. Therefore, it doesn't matter when a "White" role is played by a non-White. I'm not sure if it brings anything truly interesting, and maybe it's annoying when it becomes "tokenism", but it's NOT a big deal.
For Native Americans, the occasions of being represented in a mainstream movie are so few, that it makes it a big deal when 1 - the representation reinforces harmful stereotypes, 2- they do not even bother to cast a Native in the role.
How this is not obvious to everyone is beyond me...
Well said Sophita.
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well thats logic. Native american's are a minority therefore there are less Native American actors, as well as less native american writers, and producers and directors etc etc writers generally write roles they can put there self in thats why white writers generally write, white roles, black writers black roles etc etc.
on top of that
tiger lily wasn't native american in the original stories
she was a Pickaninny
and news flash a Pickaninny (also picaninny or piccaninny or pickinniny) is a term in English which refers to dark-skinned children usually of African descent or a racial caricature thereof
essentially the character was supposed to be a black girl. as well as a racial caricature meaning it was instantly meant as an insult to those of african Descent
only modern peter pan stories have the Picaninny tribe as Native americans
Thank you.
Well, the city's being built and I'm winning this game. So don't interrupt us with trifles.
Casting a non-white Wendy, a girl who doesn't get to talk and who basically no one identified as Wendy while watching the film because she doesn't matter, makes the fact that the main speaking woman character was white-washed even worse.
Why would anyone whine about a character that doesn't get to talk or be part of the movie? People who are mad should be mad. Out of the very small amount of women in this movie, the main one is supposed to be Native American. But because she gets to, you know, speak, act and be part of the main story, she absolutely can't be cast as anything other than white. The fact that Wendy doesn't get to, you know, speak, act or be part of the main story (as well as her being in it making zero sense, because Peter Pan was friends with Wendy's mother when she was young) confirms this.
This is a prequel, I guess she'll be in the sequel.
What we got here is... failure to communicate!๎๎ฆ share