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Worse Film: Pan or Jupiter Ascending


HBO please stop putting this garbage on.
This is why cable is losing subscribers.

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Fantastic Four takes the title for worst film of 2015.

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^This. At least 'Jupiter Ascending' and 'Pan' looked aesthetically pleasing.

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Fantastic Four how could i forget how bad that was..oh i see why i forgot...keep playing this trash HBO and you will lose all your subscribers

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HBO will be fine bc of Game of Thrones and all the other great series they produce. But I agree, the recent movie releases its featuring is really *beep*

F4, Pan, Jupiter.. ugh. Then again, they do have Fury Road which I will watch over and over again.

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Jupiter Ascending is unwatchable. This film has its flaws, but they are nothing compared to Jupiter Ascending or as someone else mentioned Craptastic4. Anyone who says that Jupiter Ascending is a better film has an agenda.

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What was so bad about Jupiter Ascending, I thought it was actually good. It was something that hasn't been done a million times over, it wasn't something you could neccesarily figure out from the beginning. And with Pan this story has been done so many times before they were just trying to add a new spin on it at least give them props for creative thinking. As for F4 I thought it was more interesting than the previous F4 it showed them learning to control their powers not just automatically assuming they can control these new found powers and then fighting evil with them. It actually showed these kids as human not superheroes. Movies are an individual work of art, you can't compare a Kinkade to a Monet or a Picasso, or compare circ du solé to a Broadway production. They're completely different. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the show don't criticize every little detail.

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Jupiter Ascending was definitely worse, probably the worst movie of 2015 for me. Pan I really didn't think was bad, it was cheesy for sure but not in a bad way, it just felt like innocent escapism, I quite enjoyed it. Fantastic Four was quite awful, though not as bad as Jupiter Ascending.

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Well Pan has many flaws and isn't really a good Movie, it at least didn't piss me of as much as Jupiter Ascending.. this movie has some of the worst dialogue I have ever heard in a Big Budget-Movie.

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Jupiter Ascending has its own slew of problems but it manages to be at least enjoyably bad. It's still fun to watch in spite of its flaws. Pan is dull, cliched and nothing short of cringeworthy.

That being said, Exodus: Gods & Kings, Self/Less and Jem & the Holograms were far worse films of 2015.

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can you tell me why it was so bad?




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Pan? First off, the story is cliched. Peter being an orphan who turns out to be the chosen one from another world is a narrative that's been done to death - as are the various tropes like not believing in his destiny, encountering someone who knew his mother, having a gift from the dead parent that turns into a plot device, villain who wants to preserve their youth etc. I get that there aren't many original stories out there, but no thought or effort was put into this one at all. Everyone criticises Oz: The Great & Powerful, but that was a fantasy flick that put a lot of effort into its main plot. Not without its flaws but the story is a good one. Pan's story is played out and unoriginal. There is clearly no effort put in here. They just threw a stock chosen one narrative out there and expected people to buy it.

Going back to Oz: The Great & Powerful, it clearly respects the source material it comes from. L Frank Baum wrote about fifteen Oz books, and the filmmakers clearly did their research and took things from the established universe. Pan by contrast completely ignores any canon:
* Peter's backstory in the play and book is that he was a human boy who didn't want to grow up, ran away to Kensington Gardens and the fairies took him to Neverland. He's also a morally ambiguous trickster - not a stock chosen one.
* The events of the story take place in the Edwardian Era. This prequel for some reason puts it in World War II. A change that's not really necessary for the story, and again shows the filmmakers not caring about the property they're adapting.
* Captain Hook is always an Englishman who is possibly from the 17th or 18th century. The film makes him into an American cowboy. Again, why use the character if you're not going to actually use him? To a lesser extent, Tiger Lily for some reason becomes a white adult warrior princess. And yes, it is hugely offensive that in a tribe made up of loads of ethnicities, the leader and only one to have a role in the story is the white girl.

Artistic licence is fine. It's actually welcomed so you can put your own spin on things. But if you're not going to respect your source material, why are you even adapting it in the first place? For example, if you do a Snow White tale then you're of course going to have a princess with black hair and pale skin. If you do Cinderella, then there's going to be an abusive stepfamily and a ball where she meets the prince. None of the changes made to the source material benefited the story in any way.

There is also a weird mishmash in tone that doesn't quite fit. Some points the movie gets very cartoony - the pantomime villainy of Blackbeard, the Irish caricature that is the orphanage nun, the pirates singing "Smells Like Teen Spirit", Garrett Hedlund's performance etc. Then it'll try to go the other way and become all dark and plodding. The film can't decide if it wants to be a fun family flick like Oz: The Great & Powerful or Guardians of the Galaxy, or else a dark and serious 'adult movie for kids' like The Maze Runner or Jurassic Park. You can't have both, and the movie doesn't try to blend the silliness and seriousness in an effective way. So you're essentially watching two different stories haphazardly thrown together. The actors are all wrong for their roles too. Levi Miller tries his best, but it's not enough to save the film.

The special effects were nice though and the climax was decently put together. This movie is not appallingly bad. It's just dull, lifeless and poorly made. It's even more shocking considering Joe Wright has directed two of my favourite films in Atonement and Pride & Prejudice. But it's obvious that he has no idea how to do a fantasy film properly. At least not at the moment.

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Pan? First off, the story is cliched. Peter being an orphan who turns out to be the chosen one from another world is a narrative that's been done to death - as are the various tropes like not believing in his destiny, encountering someone who knew his mother, having a gift from the dead parent that turns into a plot device, villain who wants to preserve their youth etc. I get that there aren't many original stories out there, but no thought or effort was put into this one at all. Everyone criticises Oz: The Great & Powerful, but that was a fantasy flick that put a lot of effort into its main plot. Not without its flaws but the story is a good one. Pan's story is played out and unoriginal. There is clearly no effort put in here. They just threw a stock chosen one narrative out there and expected people to buy it.




Yes it has been done to death and will continue to be done again and again until people stop seeing it. How is the Oz the great and powerful good or bad? How is that not orginal? BlackBeard is the villian Peter and Hook are friends with Tigar Lily what is there not too like?







Going back to Oz: The Great & Powerful, it clearly respects the source material it comes from. L Frank Baum wrote about fifteen Oz books, and the filmmakers clearly did their research and took things from the established universe. Pan by contrast completely ignores any canon:





How many movie goers are going to read the books? Meaning orginal source material and even if they have why would they want the same thing?

I dont want a page by page renditation of harry Potter or etc etc

This was totally different from Peter Pan. Why is Pan so blasted but not harry Potter. Nothing was like the books In Harry Potter or almost

read the books and see the movies




* Peter's backstory in the play and book is that he was a human boy who didn't want to grow up, ran away to Kensington Gardens and the fairies took him to Neverland. He's also a morally ambiguous trickster - not a stock chosen one.





again different interpretation why are people resistent?


But in the end we have to remember he does become that. Why so many neagative things about Pan but not about James Hook?




* The events of the story take place in the Edwardian Era. This prequel for some reason puts it in World War II. A change that's not really necessary for the story, and again shows the filmmakers not caring about the property they're adapting.




yeah and how much diversity would there be? Not alot but we saw a black pirate and a black kid always in frame.


again change is good how many changers were in Hook? TONS







* Captain Hook is always an Englishman who is possibly from the 17th or 18th century. The film makes him into an American cowboy




why is that wrong? Different story.


go read the orginal comic books with nick Fury yet now with Ultimate his black on black for diversity





Again, why use the character if you're not going to actually use him?



Oh they did use him his friends with Pan





To a lesser extent, Tiger Lily for some reason becomes a white adult warrior princess. And yes, it is hugely offensive that in a tribe made up of loads of ethnicities, the leader and only one to have a role in the story is the white girl.





load of ethnicities? How many native american young not OLD YOung actressess do you know? Oh do you know in some tribes the tribes look white on white?

again its sales why have black pirates? Black people were basically 99 percent of the time were slaves not pirates








Artistic licence is fine. It's actually welcomed so you can put your own spin on things.




well not on this movie






But if you're not going to respect your source material, why are you even adapting it in the first place? For example, if you do a Snow White tale then you're of course going to have a princess with black hair and pale skin. If you do Cinderella, then there's going to be an abusive stepfamily and a ball where she meets the prince. None of the changes made to the source material benefited the story in any way.





what people have respected the source material on a ton of recent books turned into movies?


Oh in one of the Walt Disney Princessess she was black on black

In Percy Jackson Grover was black for diversity sake why couldnt he have been chinese?

In Mortal instruments city of bones Simon never turns into a rat

In Harry Potter dobby is cut after the chamber of secrets and isnt seen again until the Deathly Hallows. the Deathly Hallows could have been one film.

Oh the little changes is where it all starts.

In Alex rider they did comedy instead of making it very serious since in every book people die left and right


So what do you do when there are changes how are the changes for Pan so bad? there not since we have never seen Pan and Hook be friends








There is also a weird mishmash in tone that doesn't quite fit. Some points the movie gets very cartoony - the pantomime villainy of Blackbeard, the Irish caricature that is the orphanage nun, the pirates singing "Smells Like Teen Spirit", Garrett Hedlund's performance etc



well yeah and the exploding villagers.


But it wasnt THAT bad





Then it'll try to go the other way and become all dark and plodding. The film can't decide if it wants to be a fun family flick like Oz: The Great & Powerful or Guardians of the Galaxy, or else a dark and serious 'adult movie for kids' like The Maze Runner or Jurassic Park. You can't have both, and the movie doesn't try to blend the silliness and seriousness in an effective way. So you're essentially watching two different stories haphazardly thrown together. The actors are all wrong for their roles too. Levi Miller tries his best, but it's not enough to save the film.






well this film was more like Oz the great and powerful but there are still some flaws in Oz. But how was Hook good or bad?
For the maze runner it was dark to begin with.

well I will give you maybe it was too light hearted but my only gripe was you couldnt understand the actors





The special effects were nice though and the climax was decently put together. This movie is not appallingly bad. It's just dull, lifeless and poorly made. It's even more shocking considering Joe Wright has directed two of my favourite films in Atonement and Pride & Prejudice. But it's obvious that he has no idea how to do a fantasy film properly. At least not at the moment.






I wouldnt say it was appallingly bad. How was it dull and lifeless he got to Neverland met up with Tigar Lily and discovered he is royality. Well how is fantasy film supposed too be?


If you saw Dungeon and Dragons movie with Justin whalen why is that a bad movie but in a game setting the DM said okay everybody is now back here in the castle Oh hello some of us were in the parapet some on the other side of the building etc etc

why is it in a DM setting you just appear but in D&D movie it didnt make sense for the characters to JUST appear?






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You probably shouldn't watch fiction films anymore. It is nearly impossible to be original any more.

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It's a really tough call but I'd say Pan is worse.
They're both kind of visually beautiful when you look at costume, environment, world building ect...
And they're both terrible. Both. Awful.
Pan is a retelling of a story done before. Many times. In better ways. The weird changing of race eh Princess Tigerlily AND the strange relationship between her and pre-Hook Hook
Jupiter at least, however awful, is that entertaining awful with magical space bee whispering princesses and werewolf elf ...something or other hybrid... and all the clichés you could hope for.
Out of the two it'll be Jupiter that's going to last.

If only for really bad sci fi nights.

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