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Anyone feel bad for Finn Jones?


Even if he makes a good Iron Fist, Racist will still judge him for his skin color!

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I don't blame any actor for taking a job. I still don't like him in the role.

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you haven't even seen him in the role yet. How do you know you don't like him?

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I don't feel bad for him and I don't blame him. He's still out of place. He has far more opportunities as a white man in Hollywood than Asian actors.
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How is he out of place as Danny Rand? The character is supposed to be white.

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How is he out of place as Danny Rand? The character is supposed to be white.
White man + Asian setting = cultural appropriation/white savior/mighty whitey.

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So if I set a movie about a white homeless guy in China Town...is it cultural appropriation? I mean it's a white man in an Asian setting...

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Did homelessness originate in China?

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No, but then again, neither did Martial Arts...

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They originated in Asia. Iron Fist is an Asian story and everything about the story is based on Asian culture except Danny Rand, a white guy.

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Again, not to argue, but I would clarify that the style of martial arts practiced in Asia evolved in Asia. The concept of martial arts is not unique to Asia and can not be said to have originated in Asia, with examples ranging from Capoeira (originating likely in Angola) to grecoroman wrestling do not have clear ties to Asia and began their own development and evolution either in the same time as the Asian styles or prior to them...

I concede your point though. The style likely practiced by Daniel Rand as depicted in the comic series, is most in keeping with martial arts derived in Asia, specifically in China, likely a mix of northern and southern styles.

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There's even numerous EUropean martial arts. For example, the Germans developed martial arts using their swords (most famously for the zweihänder) that were easily the equal of any Asian sword training (combined with the zweihänder being a much higher-quality sword than any of the Asian swords).

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White man + Asian setting = cultural appropriation/white savior/mighty whitey. - by
Witchlie

Like Marco Polo? :-)

But seriously, growing up watching kung fu theatre, old Akira Kurusawa movies, Bruce Lee films, etc. In my fantasies, I would join them pretending I was learning from the Shaolin Monks or becoming a Samurai. I think it may come from wish fullfilmen due to "USA" "white" culture being somewhat bland, rather than any nefarious motive to steal someone else's culture. hmmm I guess we have our "Tall Tales", but they never really did it for me.

Yes, I know there are bad/racist cultural appropriations and the whole white savior trope can get old and ridiculous. Hopefully Netflix avoids those, and treats the various cultures with respect.

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White man + Asian setting = cultural appropriation/white savior/mighty whitey.
That is so fúcking stupid, it's actually painful to consider a human being to have that mindset as a genuine opinion. It's like saying that a black man being a samurai in Japan is culture appropriation.

Saying that a particular race of people are equated to something inherently bad is incredibly racist.


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your argument holds no weight in this discussion. The role is not meant for an asian actor. Look up Shang Chi, that is a chinese role. Danny Rand is a blond white boy. Part of the point of the story is showing a freindship between a rich white guy and a poor black man. The entire story is about racial diversity, so I don't get any of the arguments against it.


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No, he was offered the role and he took it. Also Danny Rand is white I don't get all this Iron Fist should be Asian stuff.





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Crap, after what D&D did to Loras Tyrell, he deserves something better. He wouldn't have even been on my radar for the role but Marvel's got more hits than misses with casting.

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Racist will still judge

What you mean the handful of malcontents that have never read a comic but are moaning and groaning?
I've all ready moved passed those losers.

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I don't feel bad for him at all. I have total faith that Marvel will continue it's streak and 'Iron Fist' will be great. Then all this stuff before will be forgotten, just like how almost everyone has forgotten that A LOT of people thought Chris Evans was a terrible pick to play Cap when the casting was first announced.

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There's a big difference between why people are saying Finn Jones shouldn't be Danny Rand and why people said Evans shouldn't be Cap.

Personally, I do feel sorry for him. He was given the chance to play a freaking superhero and then got a load of hate for someone else's artistic direction.

It's unfair hate, too. What should he have done? Turned it down and said "actually, I think Iron Fist should be Asian"? Do these people really think that the studio would have said "wow, you're right, let's start over!"?! No, they'd have just moved down the list to the next white guy and Finn would have ended up doing Midsomer Murders.



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"Personally, I do feel sorry for him. He was given the chance to play a freaking superhero and then got a load of hate for someone else's artistic direction.

It's unfair hate, too. What should he have done? Turned it down and said "actually, I think Iron Fist should be Asian"? Do these people really think that the studio would have said "wow, you're right, let's start over!"?! No, they'd have just moved down the list to the next white guy and Finn would have ended up doing Midsomer Murders."


I agree, I understand that there is a lack of Asian superheroes in the MCU and I'm all for diversity, but shouldn't we ask marvel to bring existing Asian characters into the MCU? I still think it's lame they changed the ancient one.



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Nope since its accurate casting

However I do think there should be Diversity,Marvel should not whitewash characters(Mandarin and Ancient One),Its good that They are making a Luke Cage Show,BP movie(wish it came sooner though) and we may see Blade again and of course Shang Chi I hope after appearing on Iron Fist he gets a movie ir his own show. For now Women have Jessica Jones,Elektra appeared on DD,Misty Knight is coming and the Capt Marvel movie(wish that one came sooner too)
I think a cloak and Dagger series was announced
Diversity should continue




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Blade needs to be made a priority for the post-Defenders lineup.
They can nab Wesley Snipes to play Jamal Afari, mentor to Blade too. He hasn't done much noteworthy since jail, but his name still carries weight.

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Marvel should not whitewash characters(Mandarin and Ancient One)
You have to acknowledge your double standards here, if you're being intellectual honest. You're saying it's alright for Marvel to change the race of any white character, but not to make any minority character being white? Heimdol, Elektra, Ben Urich were all racially changed. If you're mad that Marvel didn't stick to the race of those original characters, you should also carry that attitude to ALL of the characters recasted with different races, otherwise it's a racist sentiment that it's alright to do because white representation for these characters don't matter. Also, how the FLYING HELL is Ben Kingsley only considered a white guy? His father is of Kenyan race, but I guess you only focus on the white part to justify your argument.

Here is the argument about the problems of adapting the race of The Ancient One from the mouth of the screenwriter: https://youtu.be/eEpbUf8dGq0?t=17m54s

Diversity is good to have, but to make the forefront of the argument for a character is plain dumb rather than focusing on the actor themselves.


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Not really a double standard,there are not many nonwhite characters around so its important not to whitewash them.Heimdall is minor and Urich was killed off. Most of the white characters races that are changed are minor or reccuring characters,not many main white characters races are changed, you brought Elektra,that's one character.

I know Kingsley is half indian but he is considered a white guy in hollywood,if he was seen as Indian you would have a fair point.

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Not at all. The SJW can only sit back and complain about it providing a laugh for the rest of us.

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