Poor ogre
He was only guilty of loving that spoiled bitch unconditionally.
I thought the same! He didn't do nothing wrong! Apart from the fact that he earned the girl.
shareoh, yeah! he just raped her, that's not a big deal huh?
shareBefore the 1980s any sex a man had with his wife was not regarded as rape. The origin of "best man" was the strongest friend the would be groom took with him to capture his bride.
21st century sensibilities had no place in 16th century folk tales.
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Before the 1980s any sex a man had with his wife was not regarded as rape. The origin of "best man" was the strongest friend the would be groom took with him to capture his bride.
21st century sensibilities had no place in 16th century folk tales.
Doesn't matter.
1. It's a fairytale, so the morality and realism is debatable anyway.
2. Even if it was a historical drama and written in a way that assumed the audience would not feel sorry for a rape victim, we still can feel bad for her because we the audience are from the 21st century.
Slavery was legal but we still feel sorry for slaves when we watch historical dramas. We don't laugh along with Mr and Mrs Bumble mistreating Oliver because it was acceptable to treat poor people badly in the Victorian period.We still roll our eyes at laws in the past that meant women could be beaten, children sent to the colonies for crimes like stealing handkerchiefs and that husbands could rape their wives.
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oh, yeah! he just raped her, that's not a big deal huh?
this, plus the princess, who did not have a choice but to marry him (or kill herself) watched him brutally murder five people. she was his prisoner, and given his temper and strength it was only a matter of time before he killed her too.
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Yes poor ogre, but poor girl also. Imagine yourself or your sister if you have any, to be FORCED to live in a cave with an ogre carving fur.. I'd probably just suicide at one point if I couldn't escape. The one to blame was the father, and I hated him from the start
shareThis ogre was eating humans and he also was giving her human meat to eat... Love or not, interracial relationship with the ogre is a bad idea.
shareWho are you calling a bitch?
sharePlus the not-so-subtly implied rape. He might've been a gentleman by ogre standards but by human standards (which I am sure is what Violet had in mind when she asked for a husband) he was... not a great catch.
shareThis is a correct insight. He cleared the bones away for her, he tried to feed her, he carried her...but his version of chivalry was not up to par with human, let alone princess, expectations.
That's why I agree with OP that I felt bad for the ogre. He tried.
Edit: As for the implied rape...by modern standards, a lot of medieval marriages, especially those within power (at least, those we have records of) kind of wound up the same way. Girl-whose-virginity-was-literally-guarded-by-weaponry vs. boys/men who were free to "roam" about. I'm sure it's been exaggerated over time, but rumor tends to have a kernel of truth to it.
I thought that it was the hind leg of some furry animal. He had the meat in one hand, and the skin in another.
shareFck off.
I did feel bad for him but I also felt bad for the spoiled girl too.
However, the most pitiful was the circus family.
They had nothing to do with the ogre, nothing to do with the girl, just listened to her plea and helped her.
What do they end up with? Death to all.
Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down and a Wagging Finger of Shame
You must think raping is the same as making love?
shareWhat's with the rape comment? You must have watched a secret unrated porn version of this movie, because I definitely did not see any raping in the version I watched.
shareThe writers figured they didn't need show him raping her, that most intelligent movie goers would know no human would willingly have sex with a freaking ogre.
Then again, the not so intelligent movie goers probably need to actually see the dirty deed, since they lack the intellect to figure it out.
There was no sex scene at all with the ogre. You just have a very filthy, twisted imagination 😜
shareLike I said, the writers figured the less than intelligent movie goers would need a picture drawn for them.
shareYou're so intelligent that you can make movie characters do whatever you want in your imagination haha. I'm guessing people get raped in every movie you watch. Buzz Lightyear sodomized Woody in Toy Story, for instance, but only intelligent viewers know this and others need a picture drawn for them.
shareYou're so intelligent you don't understand what it means when an ogre throws a screaming, crying woman onto his bed with her legs hanging off the side and then straddles her as the camera moves down to leg level before cutting to another scene.
shareSounds like you know a lot more about ogres than most people. You must have spent years studying their behavior.
shareThere was no sex scene at all with the ogre. You just have a very filthy, twisted imagination
It was implied in a very (very!) quick 3 second scene, but I checked the film's wiki to confirm it. But when you think about it they pretty much HAD to make the Ogre do something awful to justify his fate, otherwise it makes him look like the victim. The fact the princess was so detestable makes it even worse.
Meanwhile Vincent Cassel's character gets to sleep around with all the women despite being a massive jerk just because he's royalty and (allegedly) handsome.
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But when you think about it they pretty much HAD to make the Ogre do something awful to justify his fate, otherwise it makes him look like the victim. The fact the princess was so detestable makes it even worse.You know, to keep the ogre from looking like the victim I think it was sufficient that he MURDERED A WHOLE FAMILY.
I also didn't think the princess was detestable. She was young, naive, isolated, neglected by her father and impatient to start her life, without knowing anything about the world.
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"The best fairytale is one where you believe the people" -Irvin Kershner share
I felt sorry for the Ogre but I don't agree with the ''spoiled bitch'' or ''loving unconditionally'' he felt he owned her. He ''won'' her and she was his property, yes; as others have mentioned, By Ogre standards he was a real gentleman, clearing away all the bones and human and animal remains from his unfurnished cave for her, tearing the leg from a carcass to try to feed her, hauling her on his back up a mountain to his cave. But to a young dreamer of a girl who just wanted a nice brave, handsome ..uhh..HUMAN husband...I don't see how it's hard to understand why the poor girl was bloody traumatised. I won't get into the rape as it's loaded with modern connotations now (definitely was a rape, but at the time, women were property of their husbands so the act doesn't seem as evil as it is now with women more or less viewed as autonomous human beings).
I mostly feel sorry for the circus family though.
I felt sorry for the Ogre but I don't agree with the ''spoiled bitch''
Me neither. I've seen the suggestion that she was spoiled quite a few times and I don't know why.
The only thing she asked for was a husband, of her choice, so she could leave the castle and do something with her life.
Oh, what a vicious cow!
She wanted a husband who was young, like her, brave and clever. So what? How does that make her spoiled, especially as she knew nothing of romance other than romantic epics read by her nursemaid/lady-in-waiting? She was just a normal teenage girl.
The one time she was angry with her father was when he was going to marry her off, and that anger was justified. The marriage to the ogre meant she had to live in a cave with someone she couldn't talk to, had no friends, was completely isolated from her family and was raped. Her fear was justified as it became pretty clear early on that this was no 'Beauty and the Beast.'
The killing of the Circus family wasn't her fault, and it made her angry enough to kill him. Her marriage to him was not her fault as she wanted to choose her husband, not have some stupid riddle decide her fate. She even forgave her father and it was made clear that she loved him very much (dedicated her song to him and not saying anything when he was more interested in the flea.)
I do not understand the vitriol against this character at all. share
I didn't find her sympathetic at all. I do agree the ogre got the short end of the stick. the family kidnapped his bride from his point of view. also there was no "rape". fairy tale are actually about morals, that's why people told them, and when this fairy tale was written a husband could not rape his wife. the actual villain of this story is actually the father, who let his daughter marry a "ogre". you have to remember when this fairy tail was written fathers would chose the husbands for their daughters. the point of this particular tale is fathers should take care in choosing the proper husband for their daughter.
fairy tale folks tales can be hard for modern audiences because they reflect customs and sensibilities that many modern readers don't understand.