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I've never heard of anyone suing for custody of a normal 17-year-old.

I mean, why bother? She's nearly 18 and then she can be on her own if she likes.

Even 13-14-year-olds can decide which parent they want to live with in a divorce case.

IRL, I can't believe a decent lawyer would even take such a case.


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In all reality, she would never win. Legally, Carter belongs to the Wilsons, egg donor or no egg donor. Lori would have had to sign papers probably stating that.

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I could be wrong but I dont think they are fighting over custody. Theyre fighting over whether or not Laurie should be in jail or free

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I would suggest before they write the rest of the trial they actually visit a courtroom.


All big Hollywood shows and films have consultants.

It doesn't-nor should it-stop writers from embellishing for the sake of drama.

They know what they're doing.

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That rationale is good, but this isn't a big Hollywood show


 Um, yes it is.

...It is an MTV production that is filmed in Atlanta.


So what?

They don't have any consults listed in their crew, and MTV just doesn't have the budget to hire them. They rely upon the writers to do their homework.


Whoa! You're VERY misinformed if you think that's the case.

One of the writers, Maria Maggent, should know better; she was a story editor for Without A Trace.


Do you think that show never had embellishments for the sake of drama?

This show is basically a soap opera but if you are going to have cops and court scenes, at least try to get it right.


I don't see why this show should be held to a higher standard in legal and police accuracy.

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It isn't a big budget production, which has been the criticism from critics that it even looks low budget.


It doesn't make it any less a Hollywood production!


MTV series are never going to be big big budget Hollywood productions because they don't get the ad rate that shows on the alphabet stations get. Advertising is what pays for shows, both network and cable. Cable shows don't get an ad rate to make the big bucks that network shows get. When it comes to Cable Channels, MTV is on the low end of the spectrum.


How is any of this relevant?

I am not holding them to a higher standard, I am expecting them to meet the standard set by other shows and what happens in real life.


But no shows do that.

Evidentiary rules are fairly clear and easy to find if you do a little research.


Which I'm sure they did. They just ignore it when drama can't be sacrificed.

But again it is a low budget show, so I guess we just have to chalk it up to budget constraints and really bad writing.


None of those things are related to the budget.

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Wow you are a stubborn little Sh!t aren't you. I think the people in Atlanta would disagree with you. This an several other shows are called Atlantawood productions.


 That's just the name of a production company!

This is very much an American show produced by Hollywood that's simply filmed in Atlanta (if it even is filmed there).

It's not produced by the city of Atlanta!


You know having an ID named after a character that was killed off a show because the character and the actpr who played him were both junkies doesn't add credibility to your arguments.


What on Earth are you talking about?

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The City of Hollywood also doesn't produce shows.


I know that. 'Hollywood' can either be used as a synonym for 'American' or the style of American filmmaking.

This is an American TV production and not produced by, for or of the city of Atlanta or anywhere else.

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I repeat this is not a Big Hollywood show, it is a minor production that is produced in Atlanta because there wasn't a studio in Hollywood that was willing to film it for the budget that was provided by MTV.

MTV is bargain budget productions. Face it, live with it, and move on.


It might be low-budgeted but it is still a Hollywood production and I'm sure they've hired police and legal consultants to use on the set.

That's the point. YOU face that, live with it, and move on.


I live in Santa Monica and half my family and friends are in the film industry. While Hollywood may refer to American made films and TV, it isn't an accurate statement. Which is why the Georgia Film Commission has started referring to Atlanta as Atlantawood. Atlanta is making a major push for lower budget films and TV shows.


So the definition of 'Hollywood' is stretching lately. That's what CA gets for their high taxes and their water issues.

Anyway, it's still an American TV production. Though I have no idea why we're even talking about this. I was just correcting you that they would have consultants on this show that they employ and choose to ignore whenever they like.

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No, it is an MTV Production, which has never been part of the Hollywood community.




I know you are sure that they have police and legal consultants, but they don't have any listed, which is part of my original point. Consultants get their next job by being listed in the credits. Whether or not they used the consultants advice isn't the question, the fact is they never hired them in the first place.


Because IMDb doesn't have their consultants listed here, you actually believe that this production couldn't and doesn't afford them???

I once worked on a actual low budget indie that still featured consultants!

LOL, I'm not sure our water issues are really the problem.


Oh it will be.


It has been interesting, otherwise, neither of us would have continued it.


But I am now.

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Exactly. It's also not believable that the prosecuting attorney wouldn't address the agreements that Lori signed with the fertility clinic about waiving her parental rights, or confidentiality laws that she broke to find the egg recipients. Lori has committed so many crimes before, during, and after Carter's abduction that it's ridiculous to think that a judge or jury would ignore all of that just because she was nice to Carter after kidnapping her.

Really, Lori's attorney's only argument--that she was a good mother--is flimsy. Lori treated Carter as a buddy, not a mother. Carter said that Lori never cared if she skipped school, and we know Carter was having casual sex and smoking pot, which we can assume that Lori knew about because Carter claimed that they told each other everything (ironic). I'm not saying that it's wrong for parents to allow their kids to experiment, but she never disciplined Carter or made any responsible decisions regarding her upbringing. They moved at the drop of a hat when Carter was a kid due to Lori being a felon, which isn't a stable upbringing for a child. Her lawyer is painting this picture of perfect motherhood and the prosecutor didn't counter any of it, which is ridiculous and unrealistic on so many levels.

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I've never heard of anyone suing for custody of a normal 17-year-old.

I mean, why bother? She's nearly 18 and then she can be on her own if she likes.


I think that lori's not being practical or logical. she just wants a confirmation, that carteris hers, she wants this sick satisfaction of law being on her side or something.

I honestly don't know how they're going to play this out next episode, but i doubt that lori's lawyer's questions were even legal... anyhow, they made it look very bad for the wilsons. and yeah, they should make it a carter's decision, but this trial is very weird. i just hope that they wouldn't give lori the custody, that would be riddiculous...

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IRL, a trial like this would take months, maybe even years to come to trial anyway. Carter could already be married with children by the time Lori went to trial.




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The entertainment industry is rife with techncical and procedural inaccuracies in almost every genre. I am a commercial pilot - don't get me started on the plethora of outrageous errors/ mistakes in cockpit and ATC scenes on almost every TV show and movie (e.g. calling the Tower at FL370 for a landing clearance - approx 150-200 miles needed for descent and at least two other frequencies (Centre, Terminal) to go through before the Tower, whose airspace is only 5-7 miles around an airport). And I'm sure that medical professionals and law enforcement would detect similar innacuracies in their fields also?

I too was puzzled about what the trial is really about - custody is usually Family Court; kidnapping is Criminal? Yes/ No?

I think the writers need a dramatic mechanism to villify the family in a public setting and what better place than a courtroom. Ward and June Cleaver the Wilson's aren't! Liz having a protracted affair with her co-worker for at least three years and David's indiscretions that perhaps we've only seen a small portion of? And the son of Liz's lover is a the same age as her kids and not only hangs with them but KNEW about the affair when it started - and was completely OK with it as long as his Dad was happy at the expense of his friend's family being torn apart and disrupted, in large part because of the affair.

My guess is that the follow-on shows(s) will have Gabe appear as a "surprise witness" to testify against the Wilson family as it was very clear that he was very PO'd at Liz for breaking up with his Dad and not moving in with them as his new "Mom". If this happens I'm sure that he could regale the court (and public) with numerous juicy details of the 3+ year affair (i.e. not a momemtary "indiscretion"), including the fact that Liz was in love with Kyle and was prepared to leave her husband (and family) to shackup with him.

After testimony along these lines Lori is going to look like a Saint, David will be publicly humiliated (I'm not sure that he knows how long Liz had been cheating on him?) and Liz will be seen as a total slut and and a terrible mother.

Possible plot twist for next season: Liz is more in love with Kyle now that he is dead due in part to her guilt about ending their relationship and his agonizing death. She will dwell on this and Kyle's memory, which will strain/ inhibit her relationship with David and POSSIBLY result in a guilty, conflicted Liz trying to reach out to Gabe that will develop into a physical relationship with him (the son is closest thing to Kyle). Gabe has demonstrated his interest in older women (the guidance counsellor) plus he has heard and seen his Dad and Liz together so perhaps not too much of a leap to take advantage of a vulnerable Liz - just like his Dad did when Liz was going through a rough time and Kyle was depressed about his wife's death? After all this is a SOAP - ANYTHING is possible?

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