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Some things i want to discuss. Possible spoilers.

posted 8 years ago by pink_inter
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1. They try to change the past and undo the plague, Katarina is most invested in this, but she destroys the virus solution on the last known mutation in 2043, instead of sending it back in time with Cole and try to solve this at the very beginning. Cure it when it starts, 'cuz it's probably much easier to work with a known solution on all possible mutations of the virus, than traveling back with no idea how to sustain it when it happens. The virus will always spread one way or another imo.

2. My mind boggles on time travel even tho i have a very high suspension of disbelief when i watch shows like these. "This hasn't happened to you, but it happened to me". I'm paraphrasing, it's okay, most things were very clear in the show... but there is one thing i couldn't understand. Ramse is back in time and he is one of the main reasons the virus starts. Does this make him aware in 2043 and knows his past actions? I don't think so. They made it clear that Katarina met Cole in the past, but that was her past version of herself, not the present. How can 2043 Ramse go back and change the past that has already happened? How can it all happen because of a 2043 version of him? He didn't know all along, he just went back and participated in an already done timeline.

Second weird thing is the death of Cole's father. Cole has these visions when he was little, they are killing his father, the whole trauma... but which timeline was the first? The 2015 or the 2043? The past is before the present right? And then how can the present alter the past? Something that hasn't happened by 2043 comes back in the past and alters the already DONE timeline of 2015. I facking don't make any sense. LOL.

3. Love the show tho, currently at the start of the second season. The actress who plays Jennifer is amazing.

[–] alejandrotien-47-32326 8 years ago

1. She didn't really find out that the cure is successful until the moment she had finished doing what she did to get the core, she was clearly trying to bury the cure and the fact that she was wrong, which sounds exactly like her as we know on the show; besides, they found the cure for the original virus long before the mission started, they could have just made the mission being someone bringing the cure back and save the world but I think it's not that simple, a cure is not a vaccine, it cannot prevent people from contracting the disease, which can infect the whole earth's population in a couple of weeks and kill those infected in hours, a cure seems ironically useless in this case and it's likely that the cure they found is not easy to make with 2015 technology.
2. It's an effect when the points in time they go to are not in a chronologically successive sequence, as we watch everything progresses at the present 2043, we can never know if the characters in the future will go back in time and change the past but when we know, it should be assumed that they already happened. I think the concept of time in the show is that time is just another dimension, past, present and future have already happened and can be accessed with the right way, in s02 you'll find out that they can go to the future as well because the future has already happened accordingly to the present. About Cole and his father, this is just my guess, I think it's a grandfather paradox that prevents him from remembering meeting an older version of himself and Cassie and seeing his father getting killed, because if he did rememmber all that he wouldn't have agreed to volunteer for the mission in order to save his father and never go back in time so the younger version of him would never see anything like that and would agree to volunteer for the mission and repeat, if time traveling is possible as it is in the show, paradox like this is not allowed to happen and the universe has to correct it somehow, so I think baby Cole somehow lost that part of memory so in the future he would go back in time to do what he did so the paradox doesn't happen.