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Reasons Why Marshall (the husband of Lois) is the Grotesquerie KILLER


The student who filed charges against him ... that leads to his arrest and to the loss of his job ... is one of the murder victims in the crucifition murder scene. Thus also revealing a major motive for Marshall to have killed her.

When Lois views the murder scene, she also says that she knows who the killer is.

And in the "Lois is a CHIMERA" section, the following article also reveals still another reason why she would know Marshall's the killer:

https://readysteadycut.com/2024/10/24/grotesquerie-episode-8-9-recap/

Lois Is A “Chimera”

Marshall ... describes Lois as a “chimera”, a creature from Greek mythology with a lion’s body, a goat’s head, and a snake tail that has since been co-opted in various contexts to mean anything comprised of disparate parts to form an unrecognizable whole.


Since this "Chimera" comment also corresponds to the other murder scene we observed while she was in her dream state ... the one which was composed of the 3 different body parts of 3 different murder victims ... who also had the GOAT HEAD sitting on top of them ... and Marshall calls her a CHIMERA ... or a "creature composed of 3 different body parts" ... surely that's also part of the reason why she believes he's the killer. Plus the student who files the complaint against him is also a murder victim at the other murder scene as well.

So apparently her unconscious or SUB CONSCIOUS dream state of mind was pointing to her husband when it created the other murder scene with the 3 different body parts of the 3 different murder victims with the GOAT head sitting on top of them???

The things that we heard Marshall saying at the "Mexicali Men’s Club" (where grievances were also expressed by his son-in-law), would also seem to confirm he's the killer.

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Well I just saw the finale and I was very, very disappointed that there was no conclusion. It's not confirmed that there will even be a season 2 so for the moment we're really left hanging.

I don't think anyone is the murderer because I don't think any of this is reality. There is no murderer, nothing is real. Everything is still in Lois' head.

That's my opinion.

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According to a couple of reviews you're not the only person who feels disappointed that there's been no confirmed conclusion.

Here's the way the first review describes what's happened:

https://bloody-disgusting.com/reviews/3837821/grotesquerie-finale-proves-that-the-last-piece-is-never-as-fun-as-the-first-review/

"Lois pouring out a whole new box of puzzle pieces right when audiences expect her to slot in the final piece."

This 2nd review says this:

"Lois tells the crowd that she knows who did this, instructing them to meet her at her old office in one hour.

Who is it, Lois? Tell us!"


Which brings us back to what you say about how you don't think it's reality, which also makes sense, due to the way we never see how Lois is released from the PADDED CELL that she's in to go visit the murder scene when her former partner calls saying she needs her help.

And then at the murder scene ... after Lois announces that she knows who the killer is ... she also says that she's TAKING OVER CONTROL of the case ... which also seems highly unlikely ... when she's also supposed to be RETIRED and under the care of the brain doctor (who's also a member of that CREEPY MEN'S CLUB)???

In other words, what you say about it NOT being real definitely seems to make more sense than what we've seen happening (if it is supposed to be real).

Will you still be watching if we do get another Season of the show???

It's also curious as to why Marshall would agree to be good "BUDDIES" with the son-in-law who had an affair with his wife and agree to join the Men's Club that he belongs to. Could the reason for this be a way to try and cover up the animosity that he feels towards him ... by pretending to be his friend ... before this character also ends up on display in still another murder scene in S2???

Since one of them is already dead (the character that we see hanging on the cross who claims to have saved the life of Lois ... even though we also saw him try to remove her from life support), could the other members of this Men's club also end up dead as well???

And now that his mistress has also broken up with him, could she also end up on display in a S2 murder scene as well???

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And isn't this last case also a MASS MURDERER situation (due to the way there were more than 5 Bodies displayed at that LAST SUPPER type of murder scene)???

And wouldn't a situation like that also involve having more than just a small town retired chief or detective dealing with the matter???

Here's another link that describes the difference between a Serial murder situation and Mass murder:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/wicked-deeds/201901/serial-murder-versus-mass-murder?msockid=25c284bd2e68655f20ce94f52a686ba2

"From a social-psychological perspective, mass murder is frequently an act of vengeance against society committed by a desperate and fatalistic individual who has no intention of going away quietly or returning to kill another day.

It is also important to note that serial murder is currently on the decline while mass murder, more specifically, mass public shootings, are on the rise"
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So we also seem to have a difference between killing a family vs killing a Large MASS of people this last time??? And there also didn't seem to be a religious theme involved when the rest of the family dies from the shock of eating the body parts of the mutilated father and husband???

Whatever the case may be, it just doesn't seem very likely that the FEDS would let Lois handle the last case on her own without their help???

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Yes, everything you outlined is totally unrealistic and ridiculous which screams that it's not reality.

Will I be watching? I'm not sure, although I would like to find out if Lois is still in a coma or whether she's in purgatory. I don't think she's dead. I don't care about anything else - murders, affairs, groups, etc., because none of it is real so it doesn't matter to me. It doesn't hold my interest now. I think that's a big flaw in the writing. How can anyone care what's happening if we know it's imaginary. They should have tied things up in the finale.

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because none of it is real so it doesn't matter to me. It doesn't hold my interest now. I think that's a big flaw in the writing. How can anyone care what's happening if we know it's imaginary. They should have tied things up in the finale.


Doesn't this description also apply to your opinion of what happens in MULHOLLAND DRIVE where you also suggested that everything happening wasn't real??? Yet people still found that film to be interesting and approved of the way that story had been written???

In other words, they seemed to care what was happening in that case, even though they also assumed they knew most of what happened was imaginary or coming mostly from the mind of a character???

So what's happened to result in one SURREALISTIC story (MD) meeting with the approval of an audience who found it interesting, and people no longer finding that kind of story to still hold their interest anymore???

Here's the QUOTE from the link again that explains the difference between Mass Murder and Serial killing:

mass murder is frequently an act of vengeance against society committed by a desperate and fatalistic individual who has no intention of going away quietly or returning to kill another day.

It is also important to note how serial murder is currently on the decline while mass murder, more specifically, mass public shootings, are on the rise"

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I'd definitely rather watch a story like this one than watch one of those other NON STOP COMIC BOOK character stories that Hollywood keeps churning out these days. Because that's the kind of story that doesn't hold my interest.

Since "Mass Murders" are also REAL and seem to be on the increase, that's also an issue that matters to me, because one can never be certain that simply going to get some groceries, or watch a movie, or a music concert or sending kids to school means that they won't be murdered in the process of doing so.

And that's also mostly a result of certain "groups" who feel gun ownership of the military type (that one also doesn't need for hunting or home protection) is more important than the lives of children or other people. And even though other countries who BAN the use of such weapons don't have the same problems the US has, we still continue to look the other way and IGNORE that fact???

So why should one MINORITY GROUP's opinion matter more than the MAJORITY OPINION of others who inhabit this country???

And WHO is this "desperate and fatalistic" person or GROUP in this GROTESQUERIE story that seeks out "Acts of Vengeance against society" who also has "no intention of going away quietly???"

So far, imo, things seem to be pointing in the direction of MARSHALL. Also NOTE the way we've had mostly FLASHBACKS regarding his story. So perhaps his son-in-law taking him to that MEN'S GROUP Meeting was still another FLASHBACK scene as well???

And if it's a FLASHBACK scene, then that might also explain the reason why LOIS takes over CONTROL of the LAST SUPPER case from her partner???

Perhaps something like that might also explain the reason why Marshall would be so willing to overlook how that character had the "AFFAIR" with his wife???

Because like the case was in AMERICAN BEAUTY, the story that's unfolding or us also isn't being told to us in a LINEAR fashion???

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It wasn't made known in Mulholland Drive or in any of the other movies we mentioned previously that they were dreams or hallucinations. During the films, we were led to believe everything was real until the very end. For me, knowing nothing is real has made me lose a lot of my interest. Glad you're still enjoying it though. I'm bowing out at this point as I don't have much else to say.


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Since the message was EDITED and this part below was added on to it, perhaps you also missed this part of what was said:

WHO is this "desperate and fatalistic" person or GROUP in this GROTESQUERIE story that seeks out an "Acts of Vengeance against society" and who also has "no intention of going away quietly???"

So far, imo, things seem to be pointing in the direction of MARSHALL. Also NOTE the way we've had mostly FLASHBACKS regarding his story. So perhaps his son-in-law taking him to that MEN'S GROUP Meeting was still another FLASHBACK scene as well???

Perhaps something like that might also explain the reason why Marshall would be so willing to overlook how that character had the "AFFAIR" with his wife???

And if it's a FLASHBACK scene, then that might also explain the reason why LOIS takes over CONTROL of the LAST SUPPER case from her partner???

Because like the case was in AMERICAN BEAUTY, the story that's unfolding for us also isn't being told to us in a LINEAR fashion???


This is what's interesting for me. To discover the BACK STORY of how a character or GROUP becomes so "desperate and fatalistic" that they seek out "Acts of Vengeance against society."

Here's the quote from another article that describes the character of MARSHALL:

https://deadline.com/2024/10/grotesquerie-finale-lesley-manville-redd-interview-fx-1236163780/

Lois and Redd and their conversations about Marshall and what they feel about that is very adult and realistic. If you juxtapose what the women feel about it with what Marshall feels about it, his take on it all seems much more self-centered and selfish, whereas they are much more philosophical about it, and knowing the limitations of what either of them can hope to achieve from a relationship with him.


Do you agree that he seems to be more self-centered and selfish???

If you've still decided to BOW OUT, thanks again for all of your input which is very much appreciated.

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