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Two Questions About the Film (SPOILERS)


I saw Shelter at the a premiere screening at TIFF with Connelly and Bettany present (Mackie was busy on a shoot elsewhere.) There was a Q&A after the screening (as well as a standing ovation) but they failed to choose me to ask 2 questions so I'll ask it here:

1. Given Tahir's (Mackie) sketchy past were we suppose to have felt some sort of sympathy towards him when he slowly dies at the end? Really, I mean, as soon as it was revealed what he had done in Nigeria I wanted him dead, period. I didn't care much for his death, but perhaps it (his death) was used to illustrate how the medical system in the US can fail people so easily, especially if they lack the almighty dollar.

2. Did the security guard die? With all the blood and drama I would assume so.

I actually felt sympathy towards the security guard. He was well written and well acted, he seemed more like a incredibly lonely guy rather than a despicable perverted fiend.

Anyway...

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1. Yes Tahir's death was an obvious allusion to the sad fact that for those who can pay America has some of the best healthcare in the world, but the system fails so many who are underprivileged, and there are many preventable deaths from treatable ailments every year. Asthma is a good example of one of those as the deaths from asthma are much higher for Americans of color such as Tahir due largely to socio-economic differences. Tahir's case in particular was written showing that he responded well to the proper treatment, while in a place out of the elements and on his medication he did in fact get better. Life on the streets without continued access to healthcare is what killed him.

As far as having sympathy for him, well obviously that's something that will be different for everyone. I think that his backstory was one of the weakest elements of the film.
It A) felt too grabbed from the headlines, especially in conjunction with Hannah's husband dying at war in was it Iraq or Afghanistan? At any rate killed by different Islamic terrorist. Which also is a little from the headlines.

B) It is not well explained at all and we are left to wonder what exactly the circumstances were, I went to the film twice at TIFF and am still unclear as to how he went from loving family man, to his family killed and him a member of Boko Haram, or how he subsequently was able to end up in the US. Frankly his connection to Boko Haram felt like a convenient trigger to get Hannah to lose it and attack him and then shoot up right as her withdrawals from heroin seemed to be getting a little better. The only explanation I was able to work out about him that made any sense with the kind of good character and person he was shown to be in the rest of the film, was that his family was killed (and obviously he was in a fragile mental state at that point and they used that and threat of killing him to to force him to join. That was in no way made explicitly clear, but I felt like it was alluded to during his rushed explanation of it, and is something I've certainly read about happening in those situations rebel fighters come into towns, rape and kill the women and kids and then keep the men who are physically strong and emotionally damaged enough to be pliable to join.

As far as were we supposed to have sympathy for him, I'd imagine so, his character was shown to have many admirable traits throughout the film, and his stint with Boko Haram seemed completely incongruent with who his character was shown to be. (And to me felt a bit like a writing error that one line of exposition could for some audience members negate an entire screenplay worth of character building through actions). I personally did feel some sympathy for him, but I also felt like his death was not the saddest possible outcome, he had a lot of pain and hurt inside and ultimately wanted something this world couldn't give him, to be back with his family.

2) Yes the security guard died, it might have been easy to miss, but there was a poster in the background of the Shelter Hannah later goes to where Tahir's picture is on a police bulletin wanted in connection to a homicide.
Your second question makes me super bummed you were not called on during the Q&A as I cannot even begin to imagine Paul or Jennifer or the rest of the audiences reaction to someone who couldn't feel any sympathy at all for a character shown to despite their past have some good traits in the present day, yet felt sympathy toward the rapist security guard, but I am sure it would have been far more entertaining than any of the answers to questions that did get asked.

And I sense that anyone who felt sympathy for the security guard would object to my calling him a rapist, but he was. Yes she agreed to do it, but under duress and coercion, there is not a lot of practical difference between threatening physical violence to force someone to have sex with you, and finding someone already in a situation of facing physical harm (homeless people do in fact die during those kinds of blizzards and temperature drops) he found a woman who was at risk of death had she gone back out in the cold (and the film shows that she did in fact try to go back out and brave the storm and get to Brooklyn where the shelter had space, and then jump cut to her obviously not having been able to make it) That is rape. To force someone to choose between possible death and having sex with you means you are raping them.
Plus, lonely? He had a family at home, if that made him lonely go get a divorce and find a better family, don't rape homeless women by taking advantage of their situation.
No wonder sexual assault is so hard to stamp out, apparently being lonely is a good enough excuse. Plus when he tells her his daughter's name right after, who he had when they first met he told Hannah that she reminded him of her as they were the same age or something. Could the dude get any creepier? I was hoping Hannah would up and kill him at some point and was a little disappointed when his death ended up being more of an accident due to Tahir trying to come in and save her.

He was superbly well acted though. Props to that probably perfectly nice guy who was able to make him one of the most disgusting characters I've seen.

But seriously, to anyone reading this, if you ever find yourself in a situation of power over someone else as that security guard did, that is not a good time to suggest sex. Dire circumstances where the person does not have the freedom to say no, or has to risk something even worse than unwanted sex doesn't count as consent.

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Thanks for clearing things up, it really made me understand the film a bit more. However, I still feel no sympathy for Tahir. If the viewer was shown how he murdered or was just involved with murdering women and children (flashback scene?) we would have despised his character more than the security guard - changed man or not. This reminds me of Jeffrey Dahmer, where he thought it was OK to murder people as long as he does something good in return - like giving a homeless man a $20 bill.

I disagree about the security guard being a rapist. He was portrayed as a lonely melancholy man and Hannah basically used him for his money prior to his death (thanks for clearing that up btw, totally missed the poster.) In a twisted way, I thought he really loved Hannah and wanted her to love him as well. Even when Hannah asked him what he wanted for $500, he could have said the most heinous sexual acts, but he let her decide. And if sex was really all he wanted, he could have easily taken that much money and got himself an escort. But ya, the daughter connection was creepy so I am thinking about that now.

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Is it true jennifer conolley takes a gunshot to the face ? If so what exactly is shown ? Do you think it was necessary ?

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Sorry cumshot*

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Yes, though with any luck they will edit that out so one won't be completely inundated with screenshots of it whenever you try to search for Jennifer Connelly.
What is shown? Not a whole lot. It's just her, black background, looking super traumatized, after it's already happened. Nothing particularly graphic other than knowing what it means happened prior to the scene. I can't remember word for word as it was months ago that I saw it, but what the off camera voice of the guy says is super creepy.

Don't listen to what one of the posters above says about it not being rape and him feeling bad for the security guard, and her being an escort, it may have evolved into something more escortish later in the film, but this scene it is super damn clear that this guy is on a hell of a power trip over a woman who will likely die out in the below zero temps (she's a twig at this point who tries desperately to get to the shelter in Brooklyn, but is unable to due to the blizzard before coming back to where this guy has told her that she can stay in the boiler room only if she blows him (we don't see that, just the after effects of it which is more effective and haunting I think)
The way they juxtaposed the shot of her trying desperately to get across the Brooklyn bridge and not being able to make it through the snow and wind and cold and then cutting right to her in the boiler room, completely broken with ejaculate on her face is quite powerful, and as much as I really want it to be cut, it does add a lot to the film (though some people apparently still miss the message, I still just can't get over how some people can't understand that when you are making someone choose between dying, or blowing you that's rape. An escort doesn't work for a few hours in a boiler room to ride out a blizzard that ended up killing a handful of homeless people who didn't find shelter.)

Was it necessary? The film could survive it being cut, despite how powerful it is. It's probably a stronger film with it in, the scene gets you right in the gut. Honestly the CGI could have been better though, it's was totally obvious to me that it was computer generated.

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So let me get something straight you do see a clear shot of her face with cum on it and is it a lot ? And secondly and this is something that has been fascinating to me is how does an actress discuss this either her family and friends ? I mean one thing is doing a nude/sex scene but this is certainly pushing the barrier and the fact that her husband directed it and she has kids that are old enough now to know what is going on just baffles me how do they decide to do it

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It really didn't look like CGI to me.

However, I'm not saying it was the real thing. Could just be some really good work with the makeup artists.

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