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no creativity, nobody tried anything


- How about throwing a bunch of clothes on the "eye" so it can't see?

- How about constructing a rope out of clothes, belts, etc. and throwing it over the light fixture above and climb out?

- How about grabbing one of the dead bodies when it falls on you, on your circle, then use it as a shield and walk out of there as the eye blasts the dead body?

-How about seeing if you can switch circles? Stepping on the floor set the alarm off, not necessarily lifting feet so they might have been able to jump around/ dodge blast.

- How about constructing a ground so that the electrical blast is shunted and doesn't kill anyone?

They all stopped trying anything at all in the first five minutes. They had rings, watches, etc. Throw them into the dark, break something Try ANYTHING.

Doesn't matter if any of that would have worked, they didn't try.

Seen the "Bunch of people in a room only one may live" movie plot about a dozen times now. I keep watching them like tugging on a bad tooth. I keep hoping there is going to be some actual human insight.

The production was fine, but without any intrigue or creativity the film itself was going in circles until the very pointless, obvious end. What was up with the narration, as if it was so difficult to realize he was playing them? What was up with people just standing there while alien ships hovered over, like got nothing better to do than creepily stand utterly motionless and dead silent on some random backstreet? That just introduced more annoying questions than it answered.

- If the people he encountered at the end seemed to have been survivors like him, that would have been interesting, what kinds of people would they be, would they have a knowing look, a guilty look? Could he be the only non-child/pregnant woman? That would have been funny.

- If the people he encountered at the end knew he was a survivor, perhaps the media was there and they immediately start asking him how he got out, that others had come out too. That could have been interesting.

Instead a pointless narration and an inexplicable group of idiots.

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I thought it was made clear that any physical interaction or movement from them would lead to death.

- They vote for the dead guy by pointing the arrow on the floor. I'm pretty sure the ball doesn't fire manually, it's probably guided by targeting immediately the arrow with the most vote so there's no need to "see". Plus a bunch of clothes won't stop a one-shot laser beam to reach his target I think.

- Climbing out ? "keeps your feet on the ground", they drop dead the second they lift their feet off the circles like the volunteers demonstrated

- Grabbing a dead corpse ? the redhead teen tried to touch her neighbour at the beginning, then boom a buzz sound, no touching allowed

- Stepping on the floor kills you right off

- Again, no movement allowed

If they stopped trying after 5 minutes that's because it's obvious their little red circle is a cage with no room for manoeuvre at all, they stand still like a statue because there's no other way.

I don't know, what else would you do if an alien race just abducted the entire city and their huge spaceships are here chilling in the sky ? Get dinner ? I would be pretty shocked.

- They were other survivors, we see a couple of kids and pregnant women, they aren't here by accident.

- The city is completely desert, it's implied a few times in the film that there could be other circles everywhere in the world, maybe the whole human population playing the games at the same time as them, the media, the governement, the police, they probably aren't here anymore, not until the circles are finished. See it like some big purge.

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No. Nobody dies from lifting their feet. They die from stepping outside. So half my suggestions are still on the table.

A buzz sound? Who gives a crap? I'm talking about life and death, and you're talking about a buzzer?

Here's what we know, the one thing that kills them is in front of them. If the person in front of you dies, why not use them as a human shield? The thing would shoot the dead body. Doesn't matter who you touch or where you stand if it blocks the shot.

You offhand dismiss every idea without a shred of substantiation. I didn't start the thread so someone could just say "no". I watched the movie, I don't need you to re-write it so my ideas are answered. They weren't. You just saying it would be pointless is utterly irrelevant.

And no, If aliens invaded I wouldn't stand around or get dinner. I'D LEAVE OR FIGHT. Standing around is the stupidest thing to do.

And no, there's nothing at all to indicate the people at the end of the film survived the space ship. They are just some random people standing around. I can see cars driving around in the background, people walking around. No indication the city was empty at all. What we do see is people in a back neighborhood standing around.


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Though remember the pregnant woman? The stomach lay onto another circle and nothing happened.

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The makers explained they just didn't want to focus on that.
The quality of movies, in general, isn't determined by how realistic they are (or by how realistic you think they are, meaning by how much the characters do what you'd do).

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All easy suggestions to come up with when you're not potentially going to die every 2 minutes. Especially in a room full of this many people all arguing with each other.

- How about throwing a bunch of clothes on the "eye" so it can't see?


May work. But I'm pretty sure that was an energy weapon, not a camera.

- How about constructing a rope out of clothes, belts, etc. and throwing it over the light fixture above and climb out?


Wouldn't work. As soon as their feet left the pads they would be zapped.

- How about grabbing one of the dead bodies when it falls on you, on your circle, then use it as a shield and walk out of there as the eye blasts the dead body?


They can't touch each other. Go watch the opening scene again. And even if they did, if this is a weapon that uses electricity, holding a dead body in front of you won't help.

-How about seeing if you can switch circles? Stepping on the floor set the alarm off, not necessarily lifting feet so they might have been able to jump around/ dodge blast.


We know for a fact that they can't. Stepping off YOUR CIRCLE results in you being blasted. And what would this accomplish anyway? How do you dodge a bolt of energy?

- How about constructing a ground so that the electrical blast is shunted and doesn't kill anyone?


From what? What are they going to "construct a ground" out of? And how does this work with your previous suggestion that the bolts are not electrical and thus couldn't be shunted. Otherwise the dead body would simply conduct the current into your body and kill you anyway.

They all stopped trying anything at all in the first five minutes. They had rings, watches, etc. Throw them into the dark, break something Try ANYTHING.


Maybe you missed it, but they were under a time crunch and under extreme stress. They stopped trying things because they got bogged down in arguments about who should die next. But there's no indication that it would have been possible for them to escape. All the things you suggest could equally be a waste of time to what they ended up doing in the movie.

Seen the "Bunch of people in a room only one may live" movie plot about a dozen times now. I keep watching them like tugging on a bad tooth. I keep hoping there is going to be some actual human insight.


Except based on your argument, you don't seem to want the characters to act human. You want them to be smart and make the right choice all the time, but people are NOT like that. In high stress situations, most people break down. You don't get a persons best when they're afraid they're going to die every 2 minutes.

What was up with people just standing there while alien ships hovered over, like got nothing better to do than creepily stand utterly motionless and dead silent on some random backstreet? That just introduced more annoying questions than it answered.


I'm sorry. Maybe you've seen so many alien crafts that you would just go about your day if you saw one, but I'm willing to bet most people would stop and stare. What do YOU have to do with your day that's more important than *beep* aliens, dude?

And what questions did that introduce that we didn't already have?

- If the people he encountered at the end seemed to have been survivors like him, that would have been interesting, what kinds of people would they be, would they have a knowing look, a guilty look? Could he be the only non-child/pregnant woman? That would have been funny.


They pretty clearly were at least mostly survivors. The implication being that the entire world is subject to this experiment. Which means that in the end, the world will end up with about 1\49th the population if every group is made up of 50 people and only one person survives. So the world would go from about 7 billion people, to about 143 million.

- If the people he encountered at the end knew he was a survivor, perhaps the media was there and they immediately start asking him how he got out, that others had come out too. That could have been interesting.


What media? Again, everybody has been taken. There would be no media to report or interview anyone, unless we assume some members of the media had "won" their game and immediately went out and started finding other "winners" to interview.

Not to mention that would be the start of a whole different movie, not an end to this one.

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Lol, I would like you on my team. You would be the first to go with your pathetic attempts. But more likely, you would stand still scared *beep*

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I know you have been blasted for your suggestion, but I think that you're right. It would have added to the depth of it a bit more if the group were to get more creative. What if they started throwing their shoes out onto the floor to cause the shock to be triggered? If they did that enough times, it might cause it to blow a fuse in the system, since anything that can drop a person like that would take loads of energy.

I do understand, though, that the directors probably wanted to highlight the human behavior aspect of it--to really show how morality and ethics are quickly tossed aside in favor of self-preservation. The story you describe--which I really like--would have more of an "Apollo 13" feel to it--a story about the human will to survive using the collective creative thought process and collaboration.

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Thank you. The one person realizing this is about making a fictional film more interesting.

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The one person realizing this is about making a fictional film more interesting.

Everyone realizes what you're talking about, *beep* It's you who can't seem to grasp that the makers were trying to tell a very specific story, and regardless of how well one thinks they did, that story was clearly not one you're interested in. You're bitching that the apple vendor isn't selling you an orange.

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I greatly prefer the Cube series and I think in that series there are a lot more experimentation with the environment in their attempt to survive. I think this movie seems relatively realistic in how the people responded to their inevitable deaths. I do think though that the movie would have benefited from more risk takers who acknowledged they were going to die anyway and tried to at least make a run for it.

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I think this might be a continuous game in a way of "survival of the fittest." The one who survived seemed to be the one who remembered things first. He said bodies were piled around him, sitting in traffic and being lifted up etc. No one else seems to remember this (except the one guy who lied about it) so possibly he played before and knew the types of people who would be present, how the voting would likely turn out, and he played the game to the end. When he was put back, he was met with others who 'won' their circle game. That might be why he gave his little narration, he was playing the game.

As for the people at the end, maybe they were waiting on the other ships to let the survivors go and hoping it was a loved one. I am not sure they took everyone but I doubt if spaceships were hovering around people would just be randomly driving around going about their day. I suppose if you saw cars driving by it was not supposed to be part of the movie but rather caught on film while making the scene.

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Damn good post. This is precisely what I was thinking.

Nobody asked 'where are the doors? where are they being dragged to?'
Nobody suggested 'hey what happens if we hop onto another circle?'
Nobody conjured up an idea like 'If a lot of us run at the thing in the middle surely one of us can smash it in time'

Hmmmm....well I guess there is enough material for a potential sequel.

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It was written to be an abstract thought experiment. Your criticisms are pointless.

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Your assessment is not accurate. Regardless of how the movie played off up until that point, the very last scene practically obliterated the abstraction you're referring to, grounding the movie into a much more mundane premise by way of showing us exactly what was all really about thus leaving very little room to speculation. From the very moment you're grounding your story like that, trains of thought based on those grounds, like the OP's, are justifiably set in motion.

Also, that other thread the creators of the movie opened where they're giving specific answers to concrete questions isn't helping the defense for the abstract thought experiment case neither, with every new bit of info they're giving grounding the thing even more in run-of-the-mill science fiction fare and every new explanation opening two more gaps on the whole thing's internal logic for each one it attempts to close. Just the very fact that such an advanced alien civilization would set up this humongous plan as a population control scheme theoretically based on the target species' behavior and criteria under stress as a basis for the fairest and more impartial-ish triage process they're able to come up with may sound, in narrative fiction terms, all fine and dandy... if the rules of the selection process were clearly stated and understood by each subject beyond any shadow of doubt, even before the ordeal even starts. As it is, the very first individuals killed by the "process" while the target group members are barely just coming to their senses and trying to get a grip of what the hell's going on around them may've very well been the more fit or worthy of surviving the circle, actually. For a process theoretically devised to put the weight of the responsibility for the triage criteria into the collective hands of the target subjects there's too much room left for error, pure luck and plain randomness to decide the final outcome. Even statistically and mathematically speaking, the conclusion that the percentage of "worthy" -as in, selflessness tagged as such by their kin- individuals left amongst the planet's population after the purge would be higher than if it were instead the plain result of a random Columbine-like shootout happening simultaneously at a worldwide level would be a naive notion at best. I could picture that if the objective of the whole thing was some kind of data recollection process set up by a very advanced civilization obsessed by morals and the study of intelligent alien species' behavior, but that notion was shoot down by the creators of the movie themselves by plainly comparing the invaders' actual motivations to the kind of animal population control criteria and measures so often applied by our own human species regarding others that are collectively perceived as "lesser". Albeit it's also plainly stated that the aliens' process was designed, as mentioned before, as a way of putting the weight of the decision of who gets to survive on the target populations' collective shoulders... which would be fine and dandy if such criteria -or, at the very least, the process' strict rules- were CLEARLY set beforehand as to ensure the fairest outcome possible under such dire circumstances. As it is, the only reasons why it isn't so are strictly for storytelling conventions, meant to create suspense and woven a serviceable narrative. Which would be OK if it didn't conflict with the ultimate logic by which the whole concept's driven. It's a no-no-win situation overall.

As always, please excuse my English if I misused some expression; I'm not a native speaker and I'm not even formally trained so I try to do my best whenever I need to explain my way around any complex subject that calls for a fair amount of reasoning. Thanks.

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Also, a few more thoughts and a bit of a reflexion. Despite any side "thought experiment" and allegorical considerations and from a purely narrative standpoint, if the story you're writing has to rely heavily on a given gimmick you need to concentrate a big chunk of your efforts unto foolproofing that gimmick beyond expectations. Both the triage rules and the actual mechanical behavior of the device setup proves to be too serviceably arbitrary plotwise during the story's development -specially the final "twist" with the pregnant girls' belly falling conveniently over the vertical axis of a life sensor without the system caring at all- as to not question its looseness and exploitable fails from an internal logic point of view and to not concede the OP some credit for arguing about the obvious flaws of the way such a central element has been laid off in the film. His questions and arguments are perfectly valid and don't come from a failing to understand the film's plot or development but spawn from those same plot and development's obvious faults, whether you're more or less prone to overlook those faults, partial or totally. They're there anyway.

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It must hurt to be THAT pretentious.

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Not as much as reading that much text without paragraphs.

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