IF LANCE IS GOING TO MAKE A DIME OFF THIS - The Program (2016) Discussion

[–] anglpets 9 years ago

I was just about to post a topic saying the EXACT same thing!
Lance is a liar, a cheat, you name it. If this man makes a penny from this, I'll be making sure I tell EVERYONE to boycott this film.
But if he gets money from it and donates ALL (not 10% or something) to a charity or anything along those lines, I would be okay with that.

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[–] ds9-3 9 years ago

Don't worry peeps. He won't make a dime.

SURRENDER DOROTHY

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[–] at7000 9 years ago

He does not need to make a dime, Lance still has millions, yes, millions, while all you idiots struggle to pay your cable TV bills.

Cheating is the American way, there is nothing wrong with it. They were all doping, so that is not even cheating, just becoming level with the competition, and Lance still won seven times. Forget about your pathetic little lives, and appreciate a true world hero.

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[–] kolchak-thenightstalker 8 years ago

Sorry to inform you at7000 but lance doesn't have his millions anymore. He has lawsuits to pay and will only be able to survive with some mediocre job now. he is just a nobody like everyone else, well not like everyone else, he is after all a liar and a cheat.

You mention that they were all doping. so two (or more) wrongs make a right? if they were all jumping off a bridge should Lance do that too?

He made a decision, a bad one, got caught and now has to pay the price. simple as that. oh and he had to say goodbye to lucrative ad deals and his millions. say bye bye lance to all your money

the reason why people hate him so much is because he became greedy, greed destroys. If Lance juiced up and came in first once, maybe push it to twice, he could have walked away and no one would have been the wiser but what did he become? if you say greedy then you would be right!

you see people love to see those who become greedy and who are ego-maniacal lose, and lose big which is what happened to Lance. Lance is broke now and there's nothing you can do about it. It's what he deserves because of greed.

That is the only thing that is the American way: greed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_BbtXj2P4g

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[–] at7000 8 years ago

The part that interests me, is that Amerika loves to build up these "heroes" and then tear them down, once they are found out to be human, and fallible. The first time I heard the story of Lance beating cancer and going on to win the Tour de France, I smelled *beep* It reeked. I immediately thought to myself- This story is too perfect. He has some skeletons in his closet, and he will go down hard. It just took quite a bit longer than I predicted.

Karma will ultimately get him though. Perhaps you are right, and Lance will lose every cent and will survive by eating dog food.

I respect him more now...now that he is back down to failed human, instead of his former God status.

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[–] melholden (96) 6 years ago

If he donates something - it ought to be to the guys who didn't win previous races, but who would have if they'd all be riding clean. If I were a clean rider, and lost to the drug users, I'd be so mad.

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[–] Ithilfaen 9 years ago

He is under criminal investigation for multiple counts of fraud so he couldn't make a dime off the movie even if they were offering some, which they won't.

Also

WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?

For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

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[–] MarwoodWalks 9 years ago

I don't get why people hate him so much. Its unreasonable the amount he is disliked. EVERYONE was doping, he just lied more about it than others who came clean a lot sooner.

He did make millions for cancer charities and helped the lives of many many people, that isn't fake.

"Men on fire pray for rain"

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[–] Cinema_Love 9 years ago

Yup but people are seriously gigantic hypocrite... they forget what their piece of garbage of politicians do to ruin them, steal money from their pockets... but what an athlete do to win... that's another story !!

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[–] fillshertease 9 years ago

Sorry but there's a bit more to it than that. Other people doped - yes, that's true - but Armstrong used a lot of those other people to win himself and then used his wins to propel himself to mega-fame and fortune (which they didn't get). Worse than that though, he destroyed a number of people's lives because they didn't like what he was doing. THAT is a big part of the reason he is so badly disliked. He ruined people's reputations. So ... sorry, but it wasn't just a case of him being a cheat like a lot of other people...

You're right that he did do a lot of good for people when it comes to cancer. Some could argue though, as the movie sort of does, that the whole cancer thing was part of the reason that he was able to get away with what he was doing for so long. So ... yes, he did do some good things, but it certainly appears that he might have done those things for his own benefit and not for the victims of cancer. I guess we'll never know and you could argue that his motives aren't relevant anyway. Either way, I think he deserves everything he gets.

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[–] Cinema_Love 9 years ago

It his one of the fakest sport of all times, if it wasn't Lance it will have been another... and there's still dope in this business but with the technology of today, they can do anything !!

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[–] fillshertease 9 years ago

It his one of the fakest sport of all times, if it wasn't Lance it will have been another...

Ah ... nope. He won seven times in a row because he and his team were doing things that no one else was doing. There is no evidence whatsoever that other teams were cheating at all, much less that they were cheating on the level that Armstrong was.

and there's still dope in this business but with the technology of today, they can do anything !!

That is your opinion; nothing more and nothing less. There is no evidence whatsoever to support your claim. Quite the very opposite in fact.

Furthermore, you have also completely ignored the fact that Armstrong destroyed a number of people's lives in order to maintain the lie. I challenge you to name one - just one - other drug cheat who has destroyed the lives of other people in his bid to avoid being caught. Lance Armstrong is a despicable criminal who is nothing whatsoever like any other drug cheat before or since. He should be in prison...

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[–] MarwoodWalks 9 years ago

Either way, I think he deserves everything he gets.

Sure, like any other cheat. But he isn't treated like any other cheat.

The Livestrong charity which would not exist without him and his charity work has raised over 500 million dollars in its existence.

So what is of more worth? What not respect his achievements aswell as dislike his cheating?

I think he is probably not a very nice guy but who on balance has done more good than bad.

"Men on fire pray for rain"

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[–] fillshertease 9 years ago

Sure, like any other cheat. But he isn't treated like any other cheat.

Sorry, but why did you completely ignore everything else that I wrote? He destroyed a number of people's lives and reputations. He was not like any other cheat - not even remotely - and that's the whole point. He was and is completely and utterly different from every other drug cheat.

The Livestrong charity which would not exist without him and his charity work has raised over 500 million dollars in its existence.

Did you read any of my last post? I acknowleded that he has done some good. However that has to be weighed against:

1. The fact that he destroyed a number of people's lives. Why are you so happy to sweep that under the rug? Can you name one - just one - other drug cheat who has used their power and wealth to destroy other people's lives in an effort to avoid being caught? Can you tell us how many lives he needs to have destroyed before it's OK to treat him differently?
2. The fact that he possibly - perhaps even probably - started the charity, and then used it once it was set up, as a shield against accusations and investigations. Basically you're saying that it's OK to do something bad as long as you also do something good. Since when did that become the rule?
3. The question of how much he actually did when it came to the charity. Yes, he started a charity and yes, the charity did a lot of good. I already acknowledged that. But how much did he have to do with the charity? What did he do aside from giving some speeches? And what about the fact that his whole story - that he survived cancer and then became a top athlete - turned out to be a complete lie? What about the people who looked up to him and were inspired by his story, only to discover that his story was a collosal illusion? How many people were negatively impacted by that? How many cancer sufferers lost hope after discovering the truth?
4. The fact that he caused major damage to a sport which was already badly damaged. He had a huge negative impact on cycling.

So what is of more worth? What not respect his achievements aswell as dislike his cheating?

Well ... that's a question that everyone has to answer for themselves after taking everything into account. For me personally - and obviously for many other people - the negative far outweighs the positive once everything is considered. Unlike you, I think destroying just one other person's life makes him a dispicable criminal who should be in prison. The fact that he destroyed many people's lives makes him far worse. You, on the other hand, are a lot more forgiving and think that the lives he destroyed are acceptable because he started a charity.

I think he is probably not a very nice guy but who on balance has done more good than bad.

Obviously! However you're not one of the people whose life he destroyed. If he had destroyed your life then presumably you'd just accept it and be happy because Livestrong made $500 million? Or is it only OK if it's the lives of people you don't know? Maybe people like Bill Gates should be allowed to murder a few people because of all the good they've done? I mean ... exactly where do you draw the line?

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[–] MarwoodWalks 9 years ago

Sorry, but why did you completely ignore everything else that I wrote?

When I agreed with you, I also ignored what you posted? What?

He was and is completely and utterly different from every other drug cheat.

Only because he lied more, and was more famous. Otherwise he is EXACTLY like any other drug cheat...of which there are many. At the time the entire peloton was doping, don't be naïve.

LA still won the hardest sporting event in the world 7 times, he cheated along with most others at that time, but he isn't bionic, he still did this. I don't like him, or what he did, but in cycling terms I am still impressed.

Did you read any of my last post?

I am merely pointing out that he did some good and whilst not a very nice man, he cheated in a sport with a LOT of cheats in it. You seem to be attributing more to him that you should...he is not cycling, he didn't damage cycling as much as he helped it.

http://cyclingtips.com/2015/07/cost-benefit-analysis-of-lance-armstrongs-career/

But how much did he have to do with the charity?

he did a lot for the charity. So much so that his personality almost seems schizophrenic. He is an immoral drug cheat on one hand, and a very committed charity worker on the other. He was and is absolutely committed to helping cancer patients. Its only hinted at in the film, where in one scene he blows off the rest of his public appearances and commitments for the day to stay with a cancer patient.

I haven't said anything he did was 'ok', did YOU read my post?

However you're not one of the people whose life he destroyed.

How many peoples lives did he destroy? Whose life did he destroy? Less than he helped with 500 Million to charity I bet, so your point on that is noted and dismissed.

I think he a very flawed person, but he HAS done good and doesn't deserve the very harsh public opinion of him. What good did Floyd Landis ever do for anyone else? He defrauded fans directly by getting them to contribute to an innocence fund to help him fight his lawsuits...which he was guilty on all charges of! Why is LA any worse than him?

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