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Petal is definately set ten years later. article


http://www.thewrap.com/lifetime-flowers-in-the-attic-sequel-petals-on-the-wind

FFS, game over. story is ruined.


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That sucks! I don't see how they can do that!

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FFS, game over. story is ruined.

Yep. I totally agree. Ten years is too much of a leap within the story...and the whole story / emotional arc of Christopher and Cathy (especially Cathy!) will be lost (especially for those who haven't read Petals).

Then again...I suppose it could work if we had a prologue (several scenes at least) with Kiernan Shipka and Mason Dye as Cathy and Christopher (to set the scene and tone of the story), before then leaping ten years later...but that would require some spot-on scripting / acting.

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i definitely dont think an 85 minute telemovie is even close enough

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That means they will not cover the yrs Carrie spent at the private school which is vital to what happens to her later on.

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i definitely dont think an 85 minute telemovie is even close enough

Oh, I do agree. That's why I emphasised the could. It could happen (in the best of hands)...but it will be a push. I don't believe it's a good idea (too short for such a story)...but like FITA, they'll go ahead and do it. So we can only hope that they try (and try hard!) to make the best out of a bad situation.

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I have no faith in Lifetime now. They might as well just admit that they aren't really doing an "adaptation" of the book. Sounds to me like they are just doing whatever they feel like doing and putting their own spin on the story without even worrying about staying true to the book. When Petals on the Wind is released it better have a big asterisk next to the movie title because this is clearly going to be Lifetime's interpretation of events and not the actual events described throughout the book.

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Well keep in mind Flowers in the Attic covers about 3 years. Petals on the Wind covers close to 20. It's much easier to cover 3 years using the same actors than 20. Having a teenager playing 30 year old Cathy wouldn't work! And when they try to change actors in the middle of a film it usually creates a disconnect with the character.

In a way opening 10 years in the future is meeting in the middle- it's not right after we see them escape (though a few flashback scenes could easily establish why they chose not to go to the police) but do we really need to see them go to the hospital, get examined, meet Paul, enroll in school etc? A lot of the first half of the book is the building of relationships. That can come across through flashbacks and dialogue. I would imagine the film would start with Cathy beginning to become involved romantically with Paul. Chris could accuse her of only being involved with him due to gratitude/sympathy for his lost family/denial of her incestuous feelings etc. That dialogue could give a lot of backstory regarding Paul. When Amanda finds Cathy and tells her she knows about Cathy's miscarriage (which we are told is not a miscarriage but a result of irregular periods) Cathy knows that if that was the case it would be Chris' child and not Paul's that she miscarried so she goes to Paul demanding answers and confesses that she slept with her brother. The scene with the miscarriage that wasn't really a miscarriage could easily be shown via flashback- Cathy recalls herself dancing in a pool of blood). From that point on we can see her abusive marriage to Julian (a few scenes prior to that could establish the fact that he was pursuing her), her widowhood, seduction of Bart etc. Ten years in is a point at which there's an easy way into the story, and most of what happens prior to that can be conveyed via dialogue.

I think that Cathy's dance career would be a great way to frame this movie. The music and the dance could reflect her emotional state. What happens onstage could in ways mirror what happened in the past or what's happening in the present.

I'm not saying this will be well done. I'm just saying that setting it 10 year in the future (with Cathy in her early 20's) doesn't mean it won't be good.

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They were pretty true to FITA with direct scenes and quotes, it was just too rushed. So maybe they will remain pretty true to POTW too. How you framed it could work. I like your idea about using the dancing to describe Cathy's emotional state. Of course they will need a good dancer to do this. Unfortunately, the new movie failed to focus on the dancing so it will be a little unbelievable that Cathy is suddenly a prima ballerina. But they may be able to flashback to the one scene they showed of Cathy dancing and she can voice over about how hard she worked over the years on her dancing. The producers are saying POTW will be a revenge movie so I'm sure they will focus on Cathy's plan and her relationship with Bart. The big travesty here is the lack of green dress in FITA! That's such a huge part of POTW when Cathy comes down those stairs in the dress (I was cheering). Her copying Corrine's simple champagne dress will not have the same impact. I still can't believe the writers missed the green dress. Makes me think they didn't read the books. Or maybe they only read FITA. But really? Someone in the entire production of the film didn't say "wait... what about the green dress?" smh

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To be fair though, they probably didn't know for sure at that point there would be a sequel so maybe they were trying to cut corners for budgeting.

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I actually saw on the Project Runway All Stars Reunion show that Jeffrey Sebalia designed Corrine's champagne colored dress for the new FITA. I guess Lifetime wanted to make a link between two of their original productions, lol. I agree though, I wish she would have worn the green dress that was so important in the book.








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Interesting! Thank you for sharing that info. It is a beautiful gown, just too simple for the future revenge scheme. Too bad he didn't design it in green. Even the same exact dress would have been a bit more unique in green. People would still probably complain though that it didn't match the description of "THE green dress" :-)

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I like your idea about using the dancing to describe Cathy's emotional state. Of course they will need a good dancer to do this
True but there are several actresses out there with dance backgrounds. These are just the ones in an appropriate age range/appearance:
If they want an actress in her early 20's to play Cathy
Julia Goldani Telles http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5065920/You'd have to dye her hair but that's simple
She's the one in front: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgy60MLZ5go
Kaitlyn Jenkins http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351952/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HenQyxIHrbM
Baily Buntain http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5045014 She's the one in the hot pink leotard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV9-QxQI2Ew
I know Mia Wasikowska is a dancer but I doubt she'd do a lifetime movie!
If they want someone in her late 20s/ Early 30's
Amanda Schullhttp://www.imdb.com/name/nm0776040/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dST_I2JU5r8
Jennifer Ellison http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0255204/ She's the one in all black and dancing on pointe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J5pYr_Wvws
Izabella Miko http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005232/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-qa060ENVA
That was just from a quick google/youtube search. My point is that they have lots of options there.
Unfortunately, the new movie failed to focus on the dancing so it will be a little unbelievable that Cathy is suddenly a prima ballerina. But they may be able to flashback to the one scene they showed of Cathy dancing and she can voice over about how hard she worked over the years on her dancing

It is in the dialogue too. Remember that she mentions to her mother in the beginning that she won't be able to keep taking ballet classes if they can't pay. And on the train to Foxworth Hall Corrine was telling Cathy how wealthy her family was and saying that maybe she could have her own dance studio. That combined with a flashback as you say, and some kind of dancing montage could work to establish that she's now a professional dancer.
The big travesty here is the lack of green dress in FITA! That's such a huge part of POTW when Cathy comes down those stairs in the dress (I was cheering). Her copying Corrine's simple champagne dress will not have the same impact.

I think it could work if they show Cathy in the champagne dress with the same jewelry and hairdo, and then show a quick flashback of Corrine in the same dress, looking quite similar. If you look at the dress it's distinctive with the ornamentation in front, and then the darker train. Plus the emerald necklace and the gloves add some distinction.
http://www.etonline.com/tv/2014/01/24062553/640_heather_graham_flowers _in_the_attic.jpg
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1560344/thumbs/o-FLOWERS-570.jpg
And of course Bart would look like he's seeing a ghost when he first sees her.

Naturally I'd have preferred if they'd gone with the green dress, but I think it's still workable with this one!

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Oh yes! I forgot about the necklace. That definitely adds a little something distinctive to the dress. Maybe they can have Cathy steal the necklace from her mother's room before the party just as she does with the emeralds in the book. As for the dancers... I love Amanda Schull. She would make a cute Cathy but I'm not sure she is beautiful enough. Unfortunately, lifetime doesn't always pick the best dancers for their movies regarding dancing. Anyone remember the movie The Obsession? It was about a dance teacher obsessed with one of his students. The girl they picked couldn't dance or act that well. I can't wait to see what they do with Petals.

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I think Kim Matula, who plays Hope on CBS's daytime soap The Bold And The Beautiful, would be a good fit for Cathy in Petals. She's a natural blonde with blue eyes, though her blonde hair would have to be lightened to match Cathy's in the book, but that should be easy. I've seen Kim with very light blonde hair before.

She's not a dancer that I know of, but she was a gymnast growing up, so she might be able to do the dance moves well.

Here's her IMDB page. Check out her photos to see her with light blonde hair:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2204429/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

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I mentioned this in another thread... But I want Gabriella Wilde for Cathy in POTW. She is stunning and she looks exactly how I always imagined Cathy to look. She is not a dancer though to my knowledge.

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Gabriella Wilde would be a good choice for the part, but I don't know if she'd want to do a Lifetime movie, she's in big screen stuff and I don't know if I could see her doing this. She might be too busy too. Soap actors have more open schedules to do movies like Lifetime movies.

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Gabriella WIlde is also currently pregnant. I don't know when she's due but her pregnancy was announced in August so probably pretty soon. So when filming for POTW begins she'll either be about 9 months pregnant or she'll have just given birth and be caring for a new born. Either way I don't see her as playing a ballerina or having time to take on another role ASAP.

I think Izabella Miko would be a great Cathy. She looks the part (or how I imagine her) and even bears a slight resemblance to Heather Graham. Put her in the same dress with the necklace and everything and she'd be a dead ringer.
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http://herbusylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Izabella-Miko.jpg
http://z3.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p459424/103.jpg
Plus she's a trained ballet dancer.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_M6Xb2GYoo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZU-JUSC4Ho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-qa060ENVA

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Amazing that the poster above thought that Baily should play Cathy and she ends up in this movie playing Carrie.







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I really don't think that the color is as important as people are making it out to be. What is important is that Cathy recreates the gown and they can still do that. I happen to think that Heather's coloring is more suited to the gown she wore than a green one.

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I am not surprised by this after all this is Hollywood they never know how to handle material the right way.

I wouldn't be that difficult for Lifetime to follow the book correctly and break it into 2 parts of a 4 hour movie miniseries of some sorts.

SMH.

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It would because if they covered the 20 year span on the novel you'd need at least two sets of actors. The younger Christopher, Cathy and Carrie in the beginning and the older ones at the end. A 15 year old actress would not work for the 30 year old Cathy. And would the 7 year old actress who played Carrie work when the character gets engaged? Yes her growth is stunted, but she should still not look like a child at that point! The only way to solve that problem would be to double cast: have one set of characters for the first part and another for the second. This usually doesn't work well. It creates a disconnect between the first part of the performance and the second. Look at film a film like Little Women (1994), where the character of Amy was played by Kirsten Dunst in the first half of the film and Samantha Mathis in the second. Even though the film was well done, that character didn't feel like the same person. It brought the audience out of the movie a bit.

By entering into the story after 10 years they can still cover most of the important stuff. I speculate about it a bit here
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3074694/board/thread/224949133?d=225004005 #225004005

I don't know if this will be well done. But I think it can still be well done with a 10 year time jump.

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That makes a lot of sense. Well said. And great example in Little Women with the 2 Amys.

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