Uneducated people (Christians, mostly) believe that the stories in these fictional movies are real. Why is that? Obviously, there's no such thing as demons. Are uneducated people simply unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality?
shareYou have all the answers then, do you? lol
These things could exist. Not like it is in the movies but there are literally billions of people out there who believe in this kind of thing and who the hell are you to say they are wrong?
I don't totally believe in the supernatural but I am open minded about it.
It has nothing to do with being uneducated, you just sound like an ignorant moron saying things like that!
I see BeOneOfUs has just proved my point.
So, "open minded" means you'll believe absolutely anything. Are you "open minded" enough to believe that Harry Potter is a real human being and Hogwarts is a real place where people learn real magic? Or do you believe that Tinkerbell might visit you one night a sprinkle pixie dust on you so you can fly?
Both of those things exist exactly as much as the supernatural, after all. As do rainbow-colored unicorns honest on the far side of the moon.
In other words, believing in things that don't exist doesn't make you "open minded." It makes you unintelligent and delusional.
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Wait a second.. Hogwarts isn't real?
shareWell JK Rowling is an author who wrote HP as a work of fiction at a typewriter, so that's apples to oranges.
Many notable people, including US presidents, have claimed to have paranormal experiences. Not exactly the same thing.
I'm not even going to finish reading your "retort". BeOneOfUs isn't proving *your* point, *you're* proving your own, especially if you think "open-minded" means one will believe anything.
That is NOT what that means.
Your first post was extremely ignorant to begin with, no you round things off with a near guarantee that you're truly THAT ignorant.
Reasonable question. Education has nothing to do with it though. Some of the smartest people I have ever met are downright stupid and gullible in most ways. Learning things to take a test on to get an A does not make you smarter. It just means you can remember stuff for a test. There are many college educated idiots out there.
sharetrue. educated is loaded word. some dumbass can be educated in all things supernatural because they believe them all
shareWhere to begin with the problems in the OP? It starts with a blanket description of Christians as uneducated, with the implication being that only stupid, uneducated Christians believe in paranormal phenomena.
This doesn't make logical sense. Most people in America are Christians. To imply "most people who believe in paranormal are Christians," therefore "Christians are uneducated and believe in the paranormal," is to claim that correlation equals causation. That's the same logical fallacy used to claim that vaccines cause autism ("most children receive MMR vaccine at 12-15 months of age," and "most children with autism display symptoms at 15-18 months," therefore "MMR causes autism").
So congratulations, in an attempt to make oneself appear intellectually superior than mentally weak Christians, the OP had displayed for all to see ignorance of basic logical principles.
- An educated Christian (who doesn't believe in paranormal phenomena. Nor do any Christians I know personally)
Ah. An "educated" Christian. So you are required to blindly accept a bunch of myths written by marginally literate goat-herders. Great. You believe in an invisible magic fairy man in the sky who occasionally becomes genocidal (when he's displeased with his imperfect creation) and demands that you believe in him or else he'll punish you for all eternity. The same "creator" who gave humans free will but will torture them if they use it. The god who claims to love all his creation but who places a ton of conditions on his unconditional love.
Yeah, you sound super-educated.
The unwarranted insults you've listed here are completely irrelevant to the current discussion and a digression away from the point I made, which is that you employed a logical fallacy ("correlation equals causation") ironically in an attempt to elevate yourself intellectually while actually appearing ignorant (with the subtext that Christians are uneducated and stupid because "only they" believe in this nonsense).
Though this is irrelevant (much like your insults) to my point above, yes, I am in fact "super-educated." Barring the unlikely possibility that you've completed 13 years of post-secondary education and hold a professional doctorate degree (I'm just playing the odds here; maybe you do?), I'm willing to wager I'm the most educated person who has participated in this discussion.
Themovieguy,
But you do go on and on about correlation and causation and logical fallacies in a single breath while then seemingly saying it's logical to believe in fairytales in another. You want to sit on this notion of logical fallacies to prove why someone is wrong, yet the larger logical fallacy is that educated people who understand how to logically, scientifically prove things in the world around them still elect to believe in invisible all-powerful beings in the sky. There is a significant issue at work in the cognitive process here. One set of rules (logic/scientific process for some things) and another set of rules for others. It is problematic.
My god serviceuaustin is a smug asswad. I'm not religious, but wow what a douche.
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Ironically, you've kinda shown yourself up to be a bit of a moron, haven't you? loL
That must be pretty embarrassing for you...
Christianity is a belief based on faith. You either have or can find that ability to have the faith needed to believe…or you don't.
Those who don't will often resort to name calling and questioning. That's to be expected.
Many believers will already find ourselves faced by difficult ordeals because as believers we are not immune to being tested. Evil will attempt to get us to doubt ourselves, God, and our beliefs. The discrediting of these beliefs by nonbelievers is part of it.
I believe that there is this entity called Satan. And I believe he still has great control of this earth. Just look around at all the evil you see around you. Then you have God who is the counterbalance. There still is good in this earth too.
Imagine what this world will be like when God is removed from it.
And He has given us the chance to follow Him. Some day the rapture will take place, and what good there is remaining on this earth will be removed, and what's left behind won't be pretty.
Some have chosen to follow Him; some have not..
I think the people who concern me the most are those who go on the attack of such beliefs.
It's one thing to be a nonbeliever, going on your merry way, letting people believe what they want to believe even if you don't agree with it.
It's something completely different to go on the attack. And those nonbelievers who have this need to attack those who are believers are a different group altogether. And I just wonder where their anger is coming from.
The next response from some will be about how non-accepting and intolerant Christians are. And guess what….there are Christians who are exactly like that. But they shouldn't be. Because that's not what God is asking Christians to be. Only God can judge. And Christians who point fingers and judge aren't doing God any favors. Christians are meant to inform, not judge. Nonbelievers who focus on those types of Christians are just looking for a reason not to believe. But the reality is that Christians who do that are not speaking for God.
Why is there evil in this earth? Why did God make us if He is only going to strike us down with punishments if we don't believe? Why give free will to a bunch of idiotic human beings in the first place, especially knowing we don't have the capacity to always make the right decision? All questions that are difficult and impossible (with out human minds) to answer. It will be answered someday though. And His timing is not our timing. And our intellect is not His. There is no way we will ever be able to wrap our human "intellect" around things that are beyond human. And this is where faith comes in to play.
SCsmurfguy, you can believe in anything you want -- you could believe in leprechauns riding flying rainbow-colored unicorns -- but it doesn't make it true.
You play the victim very well, which is typical of people with lower intelligence. You think evil is not the fault of those who perpetrate it ("the devil made me do it!") and you cannot distinguish between fantasy and reality.
Trust me, the almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster is just as real as the myths you believe.
You militant atheists are every bit the douchebags that the judgmental fundies are. In fact, more so because at least most of the christian fundies think they're helping someone while they're preaching about how awful they are. You just enjoy being argumentative pricks for the sake of it and we already have a group that annoys us to no end so we'll pass. Your position has repeatedly been a convoluted mess with insults sprinkled throughout and I could probably overlook most if not all of this if you were witty, but you aren't. Piss off.
Please, go...Stop smiling, it's not a joke. Please leave...The party's over. Get out.
what makes you think he is not trying to help you?
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You're really fond of that ad hominem logical fallacy, aren't you?
This signature really brings the room together, Does It Not?
U don't think stuff like this is real? Come to southern maine..couple houses and a cabin next to an indian cemetery I'd like u to stay in...ur mind will change on this subject ..trust me..I was like u..not anymore..shut u hear and see will give u some good nightmares for awhile
shareThey have nothing else/they were indoctrinated at a young age.
shareThere are many scholars who have beliefs in the supernatural. An educated person is aware of this. Although there is a correlation between higher education and atheism, as well as a correlation between poverty and religion, let's not dismiss the fact that some great minds believed in the supernatural.
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Big talk for someone who can't even spell "good" properly.
shareChristians mostly? I'm a Christian and believe this stuff. Demon possession is in the Bible and Jesus himself cast out many demons. As you may know Jesus is the main focus in Christianity.
Ed & Lorraine Warren are very religious and Catholic yet I have also heard Lorraine speak and come across as a Christian too. They were featured in this movie.