Ecological inaccuracies


I wish more care had been taken to have accurate animals in the jungles of India were the film takes place. I know Louie was an inaccuracy from the cartoon as orangutans don't live in India but they could have explained he escaped from a zoo or circus, though in this film they just make him a Gigantopithicus. There should not have been tucans, antelope, and the elephants should have been Indian elephants not African.

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Actually there are antelope in India. They also used the incorrect species of rhinoceros and added the Crested Porcupine/African Porcupine which is only native to the African savannah. They added a savannah in India which is not possible. They also put Indian wolves and Timber wolves into a single wolf pack when timber wolves are only native to the Americas.

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Wow...kinda going a little far into the critique? I mean, there's a boy who was raised by a wolf pack and can speak to animals, and we're crying inaccurate because of what species of animals were used? It's a Disney movie, it doesn't claim to be 100% accurate...

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yes, but... when they put all that effort into making their CGI look so "real", shouldn't they at least get the other details right? also, it IS a Disney film... which means, this is a company KNOWN for it's live action animal docs for years, and they should have a team working on this. otherwise, go back to cell animation and have fun!

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Your comment is virtually meaningless since, if you read this entire thread, you can see that actually there was accuracy and most of the claims otherwise are themselves not accurate.

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tucans


You mean hornbills. Plenty of species around India

They also used the incorrect species of rhinoceros and added the Crested Porcupine/African Porcupine which is only native to the African savannah


No they didn't. One horned rhinoceros and the Malayan porcupine, which can be found in Southern Asia

They added a savannah in India which is not possible.

Clearly never been in India or watched any films on it. Plenty of savannah around in India

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I think in the same way that the great majority of contemporary American sci-fi and action films are wildly scientifically inaccurate (because the great majority of their domestic audience is too woefully scientifically illiterate to notice or care), so too does this Jungle Book adaptation feel free to be ecologically inaccurate – because they're sure that the great majority of their domestic audience is equally ignorant of Indian fauna.

Sad to say, I've not visited India myself, but I have benefited from a keen life-long interest in books, wildlife photography, and the great tradition of UK natural history documentaries – and so the glaring ecological inaccuracies pointed out already stuck out like a sore thumb for me too, as well as...

• Bagheera (a melanistic Indian leopard) is at least two times too large – the size of an African lioness
• Kaa (an Indian rock python) is around three times too big – the size of a South American green anaconda
• Baloo (an Indian sloth bear, as explicitly mentioned by Bagheera) is the wrong species and again way too big – portrayed as a brown bear
• King Louie (a Disney introduction, absent in the original Kipling) is supposed to be a Gigantopithecus – a giant ape genus, already extinct for scores of millennia before his temple dwelling was built by people

I guess the 'Super Size Me' junk culture also feels free to bugger about with the sizes of extant species, and even to rope in an extinct giantic animal on a whim.

That said, all kudos is due to the collective creative genius behind the modelling, lighting, animation, and rendering of the Indian forest and its animals – being immersed in such wonderfully recreated landscapes and fauna was a truly great thrill.

And yes, I know all the old lame critiques of such observations may very well resurface – it's just a kid's film, willing suspension of disbelief failure, intellectual pedantry, etc., &c. However, since we've such wonderful CGI technology now available, and also the by-product opportunity to educate children of the world about the glorious Indian forest ecology at the same time as they're enjoying a rip-roaringly enjoyable tale, why not do so with some respect and fidelity to the fauna species who actually live there?

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However, since we've such wonderful CGI technology now available, and also the by-product opportunity to educate children of the world about the glorious Indian forest ecology at the same time as they're enjoying a rip-roaringly enjoyable tale, why not do so with some respect and fidelity to the fauna species who actually live there?


It's meant to be a fantasy adventure film with talking animals.

Also, Kipling wasn't scientifically accurate in his original novels either. The final act of his "White Seal" story involved a pod of Stellar's Sea Cows which were hunted to extinction in the late 18th century. Kipling also mentions a "Grey Ape" somewhere in The Second Jungle Book and as far as I know, there are no great apes living in present day India.

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Wait, you mean this isn't a documentary?



WE GOT MOVIE SIIIIIGN!

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The wrong animals also bothered me, but I don't remember any tucan. Maybe you mistook the hornbill for it? They are actually native from India. I think I saw a well-known American bald eagle, though.

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Not a bald eagle, a brahminy kite.
Which ''wrong'' species bothered you then, as all of the animals appearing in the movie are native to India. Well, the gigantopithecus isn't anymore obviously.

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African elephants and the grizzly or brown bear, for example. Yes, they are supposedly Indian elephants and a sloth bear, but they don't look like these.

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gSReis posted:

African elephants and the grizzly or brown bear, for example. Yes, they are supposedly Indian elephants and a sloth bear, but they don't look like these.


I didn't see the movie but in the trailers the elephants look like Asian elephants (Elephas maximus) and not African elephants (Loxodonta africanis) to me, especially the baby elephant in one scene.

The goofs section says:
The movie clearly depicts African-size elephants in the movie. While there are elephants in India, they tend to be rather smaller in size compared to African elephants.


So the poster of that goof thinks that the elephants look like Asian elephants but seem to be as big as African elephants. "African-size elephants".

There is a vast difference in the sizes of elephants.

According to Wikipedia:

Elephants are the largest living terrestrial animals. African elephants stand 3–4 m (10–13 ft) and weigh 4,000–7,000 kg (8,800–15,400 lb) while Asian elephants stand 2–3.5 m (7–11 ft) and weigh 3,000–5,000 kg (6,600–11,000 lb).[8] In both cases, males are larger than females.[9][12] Among African elephants, the forest form is smaller than the savannah form.[16]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant

The trailers show a scene with two or three very impressive looking elephants. They would be big male elephants.

Since elephant populations in different regions vary in average size due to genetics, and individual elephants vary in size due to personal genetics and life history, it is possible that The Jungle Book is in a region where some of The male elephants have the genes and the life history (no famines during growing years, etc.) to grow very large.

Packy (born April 14, 1962) at the Oregon Zoo in Portland Oregon is the largest male Asian elephant in the USA. Packy has a shoulder height of 10 feet six inches (3.20 meters) and an overall height of 12 feet (3.7 meters) when standing up straight. Packy's size makes him impressive even for an African elephant. Male Asian elephants in the USA are fed well and sometimes grow very large compared to wild and captive elephants in Asia.

Some elephants in the Bardiya National Park in Nepal grow very large. Raja Gaj, seen from 1985 to 2007, was estimated to be 11 feet 3 inches (nearly 3.5 meters) at the shoulder.

Max (died 2009), was considered the second tallest captive elephant in Thailand, tall enough for smaller elephants and humans to walk under his belly. Max was very thin and only weighed four tons.

http://www.eleaid.com/past-projects/elephants-retired/maximus/

Another source described Max as thirteen feet tall. If Max was 11 feet tall at the shoulders (which would bee extremely rare) he might have been almost thirteen feet at the top of his head or at the top of his back.

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True, and interesting, but the CGI animals in the film mostly were disproportionately huge or became so, at some part of the film.

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Considering that they had a gigantowhatever (King Louie) in the movie, I naturally assumed that this movie did not take place in the modern world. In fact, did they even explicitly state in the movie (I'm not asking about the book - They are two separate entities) where in the world and during what time period the story takes place? A lot of people seem to think India (simply because the book is based in India), but was India actually identified in the movie? Or is it possible that it was an entirely different time period and area of the world than most are assuming?

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And the animals spoke English.

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You have no idea where you are talking about,

The elephant were Indian elephants. It's quite easy to tell the difference.
There were no tucans. There was an Indian greater hornbill though.
The antilopes were nilgai and blackbuck, both native to India.

Get your facts straight and educate yourself before making statements like this.

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justinjacobs posted:

...and the elephants should have been Indian elephants not African


I didn't see the movie but in the trailers the elephants look like Asian elephants (Elephas maximus) and not African elephants (Loxodonta africanis) to me, especially the baby elephant in one scene.

The goofs section says:
The movie clearly depicts African-size elephants in the movie. While there are elephants in India, they tend to be rather smaller in size compared to African elephants.


So the poster of that goof thinks that the elephants look like Asian elephants but seem to be as big as African elephants. "African-size elephants".

There is a vast difference in the sizes of elephants.

According to Wikipedia:

Elephants are the largest living terrestrial animals. African elephants stand 3–4 m (10–13 ft) and weigh 4,000–7,000 kg (8,800–15,400 lb) while Asian elephants stand 2–3.5 m (7–11 ft) and weigh 3,000–5,000 kg (6,600–11,000 lb).[8] In both cases, males are larger than females.[9][12] Among African elephants, the forest form is smaller than the savannah form.[16]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant

The trailers show a scene with two or three very impressive looking elephants. They would be big male elephants.

Since elephant populations in different regions vary in average size due to genetics, and individual elephants vary in size due to personal genetics and life history, it is possible that The Jungle Book is in a region where some of The male elephants have the genes and the life history (no famines during growing years, etc.) to grow very large.

Packy (born April 14, 1962) at the Oregon Zoo in Portland Oregon is the largest male Asian elephant in the USA. Packy has a shoulder height of 10 feet six inches (3.20 meters) and an overall height of 12 feet (3.7 meters) when standing up straight. Packy's size makes him impressive even for an African elephant. Male Asian elephants in the USA are fed well and sometimes grow very large compared to wild and captive elephants in Asia.

Some elephants in the Bardiya National Park in Nepal grow very large. Raja Gaj, seen from 1985 to 2007, was estimated to be 11 feet 3 inches (nearly 3.5 meters) at the shoulder.






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