CGI gunplay yet again - Quarry (2016) Discussion

[–] Bdave101 8 years ago

Libtard Hollywood assumes that we are all retards when it comes to how guns work. Since Kalifornia is almost GUN FREE as of now, this comes as no surprise.

Only a FEW TV shows and movies show gun fire that is even close to being realistic.

There is a recent "B" movie out about zombies (again!) that prides itself in hiring real gun professionals to assist with HOW guns and magazine changes actually work.\
The result is not 100% authentic, but as close as you can get.

Check the movie out. I found my copy online. I found out about it from gun instructor and guru James Yeager. Love him or hate him, he can really shoot!

Daylight's End
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3007132/reference

You should be QUITE pleased with the highly authentic looking gun play and wide variety of weapons! Hero shoots an M1 Garand with 20 round magazines. Unfortunately his suppressor is an under sized , "Hollywood" sized version that would not exist for a powerful .308 round. In reality it would be much larger. Oh, well. The rest is G2G.

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[–] TheFirstStormAndTheLast 8 years ago

Most people care more about a good story and being entertained than nitpicky BS. You must take a lot of the fun out of life for those around you if you're like this with everything.

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[–] Hancockenstein 8 years ago

gun owners are obsessive sometimes. other times it's just "hey i've fired a gun before and i want you to know it", like it's something worth bragging about.

Plot hole - Aspect of a film that is misunderstood or missed while using your smart phone.

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[–] roofall 8 years ago

That's funny, "nitpicky BS". Stupid, little, things - like, if Chuck Norris is cast, or Harrison Ford. I mean, who cares, lighten up! (LOL, dafuq is your problem..;))

There are (more than) several ultra-annoying things which (have started to) appear on film, lately: 1) whether they're entering a daycare center, or the basement of an armed serial-killer, they hold their finger resting next to the trigger, 2) CGI gun-fire and gunfights is cheap, cheap, CHEAP and 3) surely, there's loads moar (such as the volume, sound-mixing; when they're whispering one moment - and we can't hear anything, with volume on MAX - and the next second, speakers are breaking, relentlessly; AND they advertise it as some kind of an "improvement", meh)

Can't Cinemax afford real props and blanks? The corpse detail at least was on point.

S01E04 has, also, got a nice wound on her back - the (practical!) effects are great!.. Dunno WHY teh bullchit, digital, gunfire effects are regarded as acceptable (because they ain't 4 sure). Anyway, yeah, maybe if we speak on it - something may happen! (Yes, yes, doubtful, I kno')

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[–] randir14-1 8 years ago

Since Kalifornia is almost GUN FREE as of now, this comes as no surprise.

No it isn't, California has around 8 million gun owners making it second only to Texas in sheer number of gun owners (not ownership per capita though). It's also been having a massive increase in gun sales due to all the stupid new laws going into effect.

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[–] jimmythegreek 8 years ago

I've learned to mostly ignore these errors, but I'm still greatly bugged by lead bullets throwing sparks when they hit... most anything. \\|// (o o) ------oOOo-(_)-oOOo------

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[–] libertarian45 8 years ago

This didn't start with CGI. Many films over the decades used underpowered blanks that would not cycle a pistol's action. The actual problem (as I see it) is that once a cliche is used, it gets perpetuated over the years by lazy crews and advisors. How many times has Hollywood or TV shown the view through binoculars as a sideways figure eight shape? About 99% of the time. Have these guys ever bothered to look through binoculars? It doesn't look like that. A recent example of a show that got that right is "Narcos". It's like the filmmakers think the audience is so stupid that they won't understand that the view is from binos unless they see that figure 8 shape.

More gun cliches in Hollywood:

a. thumb cocking an auto pistol for dramatic effect because they used to do that with revolvers in the old movies;

b. endless, bottomless magazines (yes magazines - never, ever "clips");

c. auto pistols not locking back on an empty mag and the firer pulling the trigger several times which makes a clicking noise like a revolver's hammer hitting on an empty chamber;

d. added sound effects as guns are raised (clickety clack clack noises) meant to signify...what, exactly? A Manual safety being disengaged? Perhaps, but the noises are loud and sound more like a slide being racked. Also, many characters use ubiquitous Glocks now which, as internal striker fired pistols, have no hammers or external safety catch. So there should be no noise at all as the pistols are drawn and raised. If he used a cell phone, everyone would freak. There are mechanical realities to guns. It's not rocket science.

In response to FirstStorm's comments, the details do matter - particularly when they are so easy to correct. If the main character was driving a '79 Monte Carlo in a show set in 1972, everyone would freak.

As for Yeager...well he may have helped with a movie, but, he is not very respected in the realm of real operators and professionals who use guns as part of their jobs.

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[–] jimmythegreek 8 years ago

a. thumb cocking an auto pistol for dramatic effect because they used to do that with revolvers in the old movies;

Sometimes allowed. 1911s are single action. \\|// (o o) ------oOOo-(_)-oOOo------

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[–] libertarian45 8 years ago

It is because the 1911is single action that makes thumb cocking them wrong. If a character thumb cocks it while menacing an intended victim as a way to "ramp up" the seriousness of the threat, just how was he threatening him up to that point? Unlike a double action revolver, a 1911 will not fire without the hammer back.

That is why it works as a dramatic effect with a revolver. The holder of the gun can threaten your life without the hammer being cocked as long as he accepts that he needs to squeeze the trigger harder for it to fire. To "ramp up" the threat, he thumb cocks it thus making the required trigger pull significantly lighter.

With the 1911 it is useless to point it if it isn't cocked. If the hammer is down this suggests either:

a. that the slide was never racked and there is no round chambered. In this case, thumb cocking would achieve nothing; or

b. that the holder had racked the slide chambering a round and then gingerly and very carefully lowered the hammer under control while depressing the trigger and the grip safety simultaneously. Not impossible, but, somewhat dangerous to do and not a safe way to carry a 1911.

One carries a 1911 either:

a. without a round chambered in which case he racks the slide after drawing the pistol; or

b. he carries it "cocked and locked" with a round chambered, the hammer back and the manual safety engaged.

These are the normal and acceptable methods of carry. Neither of them involves thumb cocking the pistol because it was a cool thing to do in old movies with revolvers.

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[–] roofall 8 years ago

[..] by lazy crews and advisors.

This is what I don't get!.. What about (middle) management?.. WHO is the one in charge, who pays "the advisors", huh?? Someone, right?!

SO, who -then- checks them - in turn... How does it slip through the cracks, but: again and AGAIN?!??

^^ And WHY does it happen? :-0

Edit:

There are mechanical realities to guns. It's not rocket science.

Yo, exactly!.. Just, someone needs to fix this situation already, ffs!! :))

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[–] niteowljr 8 years ago

They insert effects that people expect and ignore real world technical aspects that most people are clueless about. If you got the point of the story minor details shouldn't be bugging you.

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[–] agrestic69 8 years ago

As someone has mentioned Narcos nearly always gets it right - proper muzzle flashes, guns cycle (minus the odd non-gun that just spark), squibs that splatter. If the gunplay is poor and you are used to how squibs used to be, it stands out a lot.

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[–] Hancockenstein 8 years ago

lol go around asking people what 'squib' even means, let alone how they work, see how many know.

Plot hole - Aspect of a film that is misunderstood or missed while using your smart phone.

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[–] agrestic69 8 years ago

In E04, apart from a CGI headshot the final shootout was passable. And anybody who watched action films in the 80s and 90s will know what a squib is. Which unfortunately starts to rule out all the new PG-13 kiddies.

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