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Ridiculous-Kanin getting sucked out into space and surviving


No human can survive the cold vacuum of space ... not even for mere seconds. I understand that this is just a silly cartoon for kiddies but some adult viewers has to be cringing.

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There is also a more lengthy writeup from Scientific America if you are interested. This is likely the most digestible information on the matter though (TL;DR you can survive roughly 15 seconds): https://youtu.be/RjkrqMm52JI

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As linked by someone below, you can.
Scientific studies prove it. You don't die instantly in space, why should Kanan then?
That and the fact that it's Star Wars, it's like, not realistic at all.
If the sound in space thing can be handwaved, same with the Death Star (Realistically, even a station that size couldn't power a weapon powerful enough to blow up a planet) then Kanan can have his few seconds before dying.

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So what you are saying is that if a story has 1 dumb thing in it. It is perfectly ok to stop caring about the quality of writing, and just add 50 more dumb things to it?

Yeah....smart that.

How did Kanan even know which way to go? He is blind. He spun around etc. Just because he talked to that giant moose for a few minutes earlier, he can suddenly see everything anyway?

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So what you are saying is that if a story has 1 dumb thing in it. It is perfectly ok to stop caring about the quality of writing, and just add 50 more dumb things to it?


That's what you want me to have said, not what I said.
I just said it's hypocritical to accept something blatantly wrong scientifically then bitch about something that's at least plausible.

How did Kanan even know which way to go?


The Force did it?
Also, doesn't take a genius to guess that when you're being thrown into space FROM a station, it's going to be BEHIND YOU, meaning you need to spin around.
And yes, it seems Kanan has a greater sensory capacity ever since he's started training with Bendu.
There's a difference between seeing, and sensing. Kanan sensed (Through the Force) what he had to do, he did not see.
He would have had to close his eyes anyway, those are the first things hit by explosive decompression.

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Maul survived being chopped in half, followed by his severed torso falling a kilometer straight down, followed by managing to crawl off Naboo without any medical aid.

It is clear that the show writers have gone full mongoloid from day 1. This show isn't written for a thinking audience.

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Intersteler spaceships, aliens, the Force, sound in space, lightsabers, all that is okay, but Kanan surviving more than fifteen seconds in space -- completely unrealistic???

It's more buyable than a lightsaber.


These "thinking" people refered to that the show is supposedly not made for, did they think about the above list inregards to the movies?

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Interstellar Spaceships are part of the lore.
The Force is part of the lore.
Lightsabers are part of the lore.

In the frame of the SW setting, that is reality. This falls under world-building. The writer will explain or show the reader\viewer how the universe works and how it is different from the real world. Since SW is way more fantasy than sci-fi, the science bit is left out of the movies. Since how a hyperdrive actually works isn't relevant to the story.

In the movies we see people getting sucked out into space and dying almost right away. So it is established that this kills people in SW. Except for Kanan, it seems. For plot reasons.


No need to think about things that are established and spoonfed to you over the course of 7 movies. But when something completely breaks with the logic of the framework already in place within the overall story, even a hint of critical thinking will spot it.

The writers of this show are writing for 6 year olds (their words). They are just assuming the children won't pick up on such things. The writing is grossly simplified and dumbed down. As it should be when writing for young children.

Try reading up on fiction-writing and how it works. By your argument nobody should bat an eyelash if the hobbits, in a canon spin off show, suddenly has the ability to fly. Because "LOTR has ghosts in it. Everything is possible because of that".

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Interstellar Spaceships are part of the lore.
The Force is part of the lore.
Lightsabers are part of the lore.

In the frame of the SW setting, that is reality. This falls under world-building. The writer will explain or show the reader\viewer how the universe works and how it is different from the real world. Since SW is way more fantasy than sci-fi, the science bit is left out of the movies. Since how a hyperdrive actually works isn't relevant to the story.


Dismissed. You obviously didn't follow the thread above my post.

In the movies we see people getting sucked out into space and dying almost right away. So it is established that this kills people in SW. Except for Kanan, it seems. For plot reasons.


For the sake of argument, since it appears you have a part-time job coming here to complain and mentally prowess board members, let's pretend that's what I was talking about:

1. How many Jedi Knights do we see get sucked out into space?

2. Five people can get hit by a car and die, but if a sixth gets hit and lives, is unbelievable? Circumstances can vary, the will and strength of a person, especially one strong with the Force, can yeild unexpected results. The Force is lore, by your words.

3. Surviving a seemingly unsurvivable circumstance doesn't fall into lore, it falls into character drama and as long as it is done reasonably, it's perfectly okay.


No need to think about things that are established and spoonfed to you over the course of 7 movies. But when something completely breaks with the logic of the framework already in place within the overall story, even a hint of critical thinking will spot it.


Ah, no -- Star Wars encompasses a wide range of science fiction and fantasy, not every little circumstance is covered even in seven, eight, or twenty films. Further more you are talking about the films after-the-face. Imagine watching these as each one came out, over thirty-five years apart; not everythign was established in the first film, so anything after that was added to the frame work, and each time some of them were quite illogical, but when you talk of something long ago like it was a sudden onslaught of world building lore, you bypass what was. ST: R is canon and thirty-five plus years later, it will be taken as such and nobody and their grandmother will remember your complaints.

The writers of this show are writing for 6 year olds (their words).


That's cherry picking. Try watching interviews with the cast and crew and panels at places like Comic Con -- they're plotting and structuring beyond that of a six year old. Their words.

Furthermore, all one has to do is watch cartoons from yesteryear and it's clear while this may be referenced for six year old,s it's not written as such. This is beyond that. And I don't mean like some old cartoon that was consdiered mroe mature just because it had some hidden adult-humor jokes in episodes.

They are just assuming the children won't pick up on such things. The writing is grossly simplified and dumbed down. As it should be when writing for young children.


Adults didn't pick up on those things, including -- presumably -- you. Oh, no wait -- they did and even linked to a good video about it above my original post.

Of course the writing has a good degree of simplification, but said writing would still be affective even for kids twice and more than six years old. Let's stop (well, actually, you stop) using the strawman of "young children". There are plenty of pre-teens and young teens that aren't that bright. Hell, I've met more than seasoned adults that have the brain capacity of a seventeen year old, and thirty year olds already thinking like that of a seasoned fifty year old.

And it's already established from two seasons and interviews that it's not grossly simplified or any other phrasing you come up with now or later.

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01. That bit debunked you whole argument. You are just going lalalala to "make it go away".

02. Jedis die from the same things everyone else dies from. They can use the force but it doesn't change their physiology or make them immune to damage. Jedi knights aren't Marvel superheroes, you know.

03. The Force can't make a jedi survive wounds that would kill another character. Look at Order 66 for proof. They die from the same injuries others do.

04. No it does not. Maul survives a fall from 1 kilometer after his body is sliced in half. And he does it with no medical aid afterwards too. A jedi master of the same race as Maul dies from a single stab to the gut.

05. Uhm...nope. The cartoons contradict the movies all the time, man. Revenge of the Sith. Disabling the hangar bay shield in Grievous ship causes everything to get sucked out into space. The reason for that shield is to keep things from getting sucked out into space. Rebels. Sabine disables a whole Star Destroyer with a single grenade (wow. Some range on that grenade), including the hangar bay shield behind them....they do not get sucked out into space. Just one example.

06. "The epic intergalactic adventure "Star Wars Rebels: Spark of Rebellion" – a television movie – delivered 6.5-million viewers in its premieres on Disney Channel and Disney XD around the world. In its U.S. premiere on Friday, October 3 (9:00 p.m.) on Disney Channel, it delivered 2.7-million Total Viewers and 1.3-million Kids age 2-11, 918,000 Kids age 6-11, 762,000 Boys age 2-11 and 527,000 Boys age 6-11. Among the target demographic, Boys 6-11, it performed 52% higher than Disney Channel's year-to-date ratings average in the timeslot. The boy-skewing channel Disney XD will present "Star Wars Rebels: Spark of Rebellion" tonight, Monday, October 6 (8:00 p.m., ET/PT). The channel will be the home base for the weekly series "Star Wars Rebels" beginning Monday, October 13 (9:00 p.m., ET/PT)." Yeah. But, but, but...the writers said it was for adults!!!

07. See my previous post. It is aimed at children. Also here is the parental guide for it. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2930604/parentalguide?ref_=tt_stry_pg

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02. Jedis die from the same things everyone else dies from. They can use the force but it doesn't change their physiology or make them immune to damage. Jedi knights aren't Marvel superheroes, you know.

Tell that to Roasted Anakin Skywalker. He should've been dead. He's a Human being, and he was fried from things essentially equal or worse than First Degree Burns across his entire body, not to mention having his limbs severed, and likely should've "bled out" were it not for Obi-Wans lightsaber cauterizing the wounds...

03. The Force can't make a jedi survive wounds that would kill another character. Look at Order 66 for proof. They die from the same injuries others do.

See above.

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watch rebels recon for the new episode. Pablo hidalgo explains everything....




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Anakin got medical treatment right away. That made it plausible. And yes, if the lightsaber hadn't cauterized the wounds he would have died. Him being a jedi has nothing to do with his survival. The "medical team" saved him.

How come Anakin, with his first degree burns, managed to grow back his eyebrows in Rebels, but in ROTJ they are suddenly burned away again?

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jedi/sith are basically superheros. is there really any limit to what they can do through the force? if they can move spaceships with their mind, run faster than light, choke someone by holding out their fingers, fall hundreds of feet and light upon the ground unharmed, shoot lightning through their fingers, than surely they can survive a couple seconds in outer space. its fantasy fiction. not real life.






It's all Kung Fu in the mud when we're high on Love.

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If Kanan had used the Force to keep himself alive, you would have a point.

And yes. there are limits to what they can do with the force.

Run faster than light? What on earth are you smoking?

The laws of physics apply in SW. Not when it comes to The Force, of course, but for everything else.

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The laws of physics apply in SW. Not when it comes to The Force, of course, but for everything else.


Oh so you're making the rules now? LOL



It's all Kung Fu in the mud when we're high on Love.

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Darth Bane tamed a giant flying creature and then flew it out of the planets atmosphere to the neighbouring planet to meet up with his apprentice. So... Star Wars has a history of random story based abilities. It's fun to read the books, but they are so story telling based that it drives me a little nuts how absurd their universe is. Are droids sentient or not, why are targeting systems so bad, ships leave and enter planets without anyone picking them up on scanners, 100 people firing at a single Jedi at the same time but the Jedi can still deflect all the blaster fire unless it's during order 66.

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Nope. Just watched the movies. Did you?

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The laws of physics apply in SW. Not when it comes to The Force, of course, but for everything else.


Yes they do, and the laws of Physics state clearly, experiences proving it, that exposure to space vacuum isn't instantly lethal and would take about a minute to kill a human.

Here are chosen extracts:

In 1966 NASA volunteer test subject Jim LeBlanc lost consciousness after approximately 15 seconds of being accidentally depressurised in a ground-based depressurization chamber

A rough estimate is that a human will have about 90 seconds to be recompressed, after which death may be unavoidable.

In a vacuum water vapor would rapidly evaporate from exposed areas such as the lungs, cornea of the eye, and mouth, cooling the body. Rapid evaporative cooling of the skin would create frost, particularly in the mouth, but this does not represent a significant hazard (relative to ebullism, etc.): the effective black-body radiation temperature throughout most of space is very close to absolute zero, but a vacuum does not support transfer of heat by convection or conduction; so the main temperature regulation concern is excess naturally generated body heat.

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Would those humans manage to find their way back in within 90s seconds with their vision removed and having been spun around when they got sucked out into space?

The issue isn't just him being out there, you know. It is him actually knowing where to go to get back.

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A basic Jedi training from childhood is to learn to sense things without seeing (Attack of the Clones, A New Hope).
Combine enhanced Force Sensing and basic logic (The station was behind him) and it's easy to believe Kanan could do what he did.

On a side note: where did you invest in those moving goalposts of yours? Trade seems so be booming and I want some of the money.

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As said, humans can survive in space for a bit, though will lose consciousness quickly. Somebody with force powers would no doubt be even better at it. And he wasn't out there long.

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