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Accuracy of the 60s portrayal


As someone (barely) old enough to remember this period, I thought the portrayal of the 1960s in 11.22.63 was more accurate than other recent shows - such as Mad Men or Astronauts' Wives' Club.

Mad Men seemed to be a millenials' stereotype of what the 60s "must have been like".

Astronauts' Wives' Club seemed to be a fourth-wave feminists' stereotype of what astronauts' wives "must have experienced".

11.22.63, mostly, looked like the early 60s I remember.

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I dunno. That black woman would have been lynched on sight. Jake would have been lynched for being friendly to her. And Sadie would have been gang-raped by the students. And everyone in the show would have been high 24/7.

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Black women would not have been lynched on site in the sixties. Dianne Carol had a hit tv show in the sixties. People were getting over their syphillis insanity thanks to antibiotics in previous decades and people were become sane and rational. Then the sexual revolution came along and everything went to hell again.

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Getting high was pretty much relegated to only certain pockets of the country until the mid- late sixties. Alcohol was used just as heavily by the business class as it was the working class, only the business class preferred liquor to beer.

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Nope, everyone in the entire world was high 24/7 throughout the entire decade.

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I looked it up. His story checks out.

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No! A previous commentator already said it! First of all, not EVERYBODY was high at any time in the 60s. A lot of young people were high, but only from 1966-67 on.

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Well, one thing I am not sure of, is the fact that everyone in the series is smoking filtered cigarettes. Filtered cigarettes were available back then, but still a novelty.

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I also believe that if you unclothed everyone down to their underwear, you'd discover 21st Centrury briefs, boxers, socks, stockings and bras.

Betchya that beer they served to Jake, Frank Dunning and everyone was brewed in 2015 too!

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I bet the cameras they used to shoot the series were made in 2015 also.


But yeah, we're totally okay with a time traveling worm hole thingy. Or a world where everyone is attractive enough to be actors and models.

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Mid-20th century underwear was not that different. Sometimes in the late 60s and early 70s it came in psychedelic colors. The main difference is that pantyhose did not come into common use until the late 60s.

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As an extra in Dallas (You see me on the grassy knoll next to the Babushka Lady smoking a cigarette and taking pictures as Jake/Sadie run to Dealey Plaza. and I will tell you those are not filtered. They were fake cigs made of Marshmallow and rose bud. :)

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@jasonmbremer so cool -- you lucky dog! thanks for the trivia tidbit

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The man that lived in the house he rented at one point was rolling his own tobacco.

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I was born in 1966 and recall the seventies and clearly remember feeling the shadows of the 60s. Living in the Southern Baptist bible belt in 'Dixie-crat' Kentucky we always felt 10 years behind the the rest of the country. The book goes into much more details of daily life and we see Jake's fondness of the period erode away. Unlike the book, the show never went into the underlying daily fear of nuclear war with the USSR and psychological impact of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

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Living in the Southern Baptist bible belt in 'Dixie-crat' Kentucky we always felt 10 years behind the the rest of the country.


Are you sure it was only 10 years?

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Mad Men was certainly stylized, but I'm not convinced it was that far off. I grew up in the 80s in the suburbs and while I can point to movies that get life in the suburbs in the 80s right, any of the "cocaine and hookers" excess investment banker type movies seem alien to me. But of course, I wasn't an investment banker so I'm not really in a place to comment on the accuracy of that part of it.

I think it's pretty safe to say that blue-collar life on the streets of Dallas may not be exactly like 1%er life on Madison Avenue.


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I must be older than all of you here--I actually remember the 60's and lived in various areas of the country so I can tell you that "normal" varied throughout the country, within the expected divisions (north vs. south, liberal vs. conservative).

Gloves were worn by "ladies" in the 1960s--just look at photos of Mrs. Kennedy!! though they were a hold over from the '50s. Gloves were also worn longer into the decade in the south than in the north. I can definitely see a status conscious, or a woman pretending to a higher social class wearing gloves in the 60's. You will also see "church ladies" wearing gloves in photos of the civil rights movement in the 1960s as well as models in fashion shoots of the time. It wouldn't be surprising to see gloves on a conservative woman who was striving to be taken "seriously" and as a "Lady" (with a capital "L").

Hairstyles were all over the place in that era with buzz cuts, long hair on men (hippies) and everything in between. Again, "brylcreem" was more of a southern thing, but also more a holdover from the 50's, and not common at all in the later 60's. Wearing that kind of product was a hold over and considered old-fashioned. You might see it in the more conservative classes and maybe in the very early 60s by some. Personally I didn't know anyone that used it no matter where I lived. Hairstyles in the south were far more conservative in the south; you could get beat up for longish hair (marked you as a liberal, pro-civil rights).

Natural hair was the coming thing for whites and blacks; blacks would wear oil in their hair for some hair styles to keep their hair from breaking, but again that was far more common in the early 1960s. Wearing your hair natural was a statement against "the man"; especially by blacks. And yes, natural hair could earn you a beating in the south as well. It WAS a statement.

Yes, we often had a "DJ" though I don't remember if that is what we actually called them, playing records at school functions far more often than a real band due to the cost of hiring even students to play. As far as the kind of music--"black music" was adopted by whites early on though frequently covered by white musicians for white consumption. It was a huge controversy of the era. Rock and roll, soul, etc. all started in the black communities but the kids(well not just kids) of all races loved it. I'm not sure how much of the rant against this kind of music was racist but the backlash--such as shown in Hairspray, was very real and not just a 50's thing. The Beatles appeared on the Ed Sullivan show in 1964 but American teenagers already knew their music. The Beatles were greeted by "thousands of American fans at JFK, mirroring the scene they had left behind at Heathrow" when they landed in the U.S. for their American television debut.

I also remember learning dances that were a hold over from the 50s and we did dance that way in the early 1960s. Most of us didn't get past an awkward two-step for slow dances. Other dance "crazes" were the Madison, "The Swim", the "Mashed Potato", "The Twist", "The Frug" (pronounced 'froog'), "The Watusi", "The Shake" and "The Hitchhike". Following the Foxtrot, '60s dance crazes had animal names, including "The Pony", "The Dog" and of course we started mixing them together until all of the rules went out the window. You can check on this by watching re-runs of 1960 dance and variety shows. I admit I did have to look up the names of those dances after all these years. :)

Drug use did become more common the 60s but it's certainly not true that "everyone" did drugs, with pot being the most common choice anyway. And as far as "Free Love" being the downfall of civilization? It wasn't as much of an orgy as you think. It's true that the number of marriages dropped and divorce increased in the '60s but that had as much to do with the growing women's rights movement and the "pill" as anything else. For the first time women were asking for and getting real opportunities--and were not simply being content as secretaries or stewardesses. Given the growing work opportunities AND control over having children, they didn't feel forced to marry or to stay married. However, most people were part of a couple, in a continuing "trend" popularly dubbed as "serial monogamy" which didn't (doesn't) necessarily include marriage. Hardly the downfall of civilization.

The 1950s saw the beginning of the civil rights and women's movements, but they were still going strong in the 1960s. The 60s were a hugely dynamic era that saw huge changes but people were still being lynched in the south; inter-racial marriage wasn't even legal in every state until 1967! Changing in the law doesn't necessarily lead to a change in attitude among the die-hard bigots; inter-racial couples continue to experience harassment, and an unofficial segregation continues to this day, especially (though not exclusively) in the south.

I think you are getting the 50s and 60s confused--with many of the changes that started in the 50's continuing long into the 60s. To be fair, there is considerable overlap, especially in the early 60's. Many of the legal changes that resulted from these movements didn't get enacted until late in the 1960s or even into the 1970s, but the law always lags behind social change. And it's important to remember that just because the calendar showed a new era that doesn't mean that change happened over night--whether fashion, music or anything else. You also have to remember that television was just beginning to really catch on; a large number of families didn't even have one at that time. My own family didn't have television until the end of the 1960s (I felt privileged to be able to watch the moon landing) and we were considered middle class.

The more conservative the area, and inclusively the more southern, the slower changes would take place. By definition "conservatives" don't like or welcome change. That's not a value judgement: (adjective) "holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion". It follows that an area of conservatives is going to be slower to adapt new trends. I'd say the show has it pretty accurate.

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Oh no, as far as that particular character goes, wearing gloves while typing was most certainly NOT the norm. You are right about that. I would say that it points to aspirations far beyond her actual class or station--which is why she continues to wear them even at inappropriate times. I did imply that was the case, so here I'm saying so explicitly.

So no, no argument there.

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I am not confusing the 1950s/60s we are talking about 1960 - 1963, which had far more in common with the 1950s than the rest of the 1960s decade. For example, there was no such thing as a 'hippie' until 1965 -


Yes, people who don't understand that the '60s were two decades in one -- with the first half and second half totally different eras entirely -- don't "get" the '60s.

The schism of the '60s is the story of the '60s.

And that's likely why JFK's death has always seemed like the line in the sand: within 18 months of the murder, the country shifted into a different era entirely, for better or for worse.

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LBJ's mistress on JFK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcXeutDmuRA


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Any gentleman over 30 in the early 1960's wore a Fedora style hat. JFK was one of the new generation to come along and not wear a cover, and the younger men the same.

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Ladybug, thanks for your very informative post. I only wish I had written it myself! 



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Thank you!

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I second nataliajaf's appreciation. Thank you.

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Mad Men seemed to be a millenials' stereotype of what the 60s "must have been like".


Huh?

You are literally the only person I've ever come across who has suggested that Mad Men was anything other than spot on and precise with the details of the 60s.

I can only assume that you've never seen the show if you come away with the strange idea that it is depicted from a millennial viewpoint at all, stereotyped or not.

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I love all the 1950's and early 1960's cars used in this series, but I didn't see anything other than American cars, almost exclusively Ford, Chrysler and GM cars with a Studebaker or two for good measure. And granted that in the small towns depicted, such as Lisbon, Maine, and Holden, Kentucky this would have been the case,but, surely in big cities like Dallas and Fort Worth, there would have been at least a few foreign cars, certainly not Japanese, but at least the occasional VW Beetle, which were very popular in the US by the early 60's.

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but at least the occasional VW Beetle


Yes, inexpensive German imports were all the rage on Madison Avenue.

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Philo's Law: To learn from your mistakes, you have to realize you're making mistakes.

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