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Al Not Shooting Oswald

posted 9 years ago by arual888
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in the first episode Franco asks Cooper why he didn't just shoot Oswald when he saw him in 62. And he says he wasn't sure Oswald did it, and din't want to shoot an innocent man. But, why didn't he do it anyway? if the timeline resets every time you go back, he should have shot Oswald come home, checked to see if Kennedy was still killed that day. If he was, go back through and then do recon. Cause now you have the big suspect checked off the list. And if Kennedy lived, congrats, all done. Of course i'm not actually looking for a reason he didn't do this. Just saying, it seems like a pretty obvious thing that should have been addressed within the show.

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[–] craigbenting 9 years ago

If it wasn't as simple as just Lee Harvey that did it, like if there were two or even three shooters, then it might make a difference or maybe kind of make a little bit of a difference and you still wouldn't be sure if he was involved directly or indirectly. What then, you completely wasted the time to get down to Texas and wait for him to come back from Russia? You only have so many years of your own life to spend, especially if you found out you have cancer.

I think people forget when naming this as a plot hole that on the other side of that closet you are still spending years of your own life. I mean unless you can magically teleport to Oswald's location in Russia after you step through, then teleport back to check what happens after you kill him (he was in Russia from 1959 until June, 1962).

[–] Death163 8 years ago

Not true it's explained many times that when u come.back only 5 mins has past u don't age years from going back into the past only 5 mins

[–] duckofprey 8 years ago

Not true it's explained many times that when u come.back only 5 mins has past u don't age years from going back into the past only 5 mins

No.

WHen you go back in time in this story, no matter how long you stay back in the past, be it 5 minutes or 25 years, when you come back, only two minutes have gone by in the present time.

However, while back in the past you DO age normally. So if Jake stayed 30 years (he was like 27 in 2015...born 1978), and in 1990 decided to come back to 2015, while only two minutes will have passed in 2015, Jake would return as a 57 year old man.

Think of Al when he first came back in the show. He was fine then two minutes later he was near death from cancer. He said he stayed back 3 years that time. In those three years he developed cancer and indeed aged 3 years.

[–] NoEasyBucketsBro 8 years ago

That's the way I saw it at first, but then it seemed to me that Al implied otherwise. He said he got cancer because "the past" was trying to stop him from altering it. He said he had a clean bill of health a month before his last trip. If he spent 3 years back there and was aging normally, he could have just developed it naturally, so why would he reference his checkup as proof?

Obviously it doesn't make sense that someone could live out years of their life and only age 2 minutes, but I don't think this was trying to be a typical time travel story. There was a unique set of rules with the whole timeline resetting every time someone traveled back, and of course with the past fighting them off.

[–] crpl_hicks 8 years ago

I agree with the question of why not kill Osawld, go back to 2016 & see the results. If nothing changed, figure out what needs to happen to save Kennedy. I think Jake did go back & reset a few times in the book, learning from his mistakes?

The shortest period of time Jake would have to spend in the past would be 2 years, because Oswald was NOT in the US, but the USSR in 1960, the time the portal goes to.

It doesn't matter how long you are in the past 2 years or 20 years, in the present (2016) only 2 mins have past or 3 in the book? But YOU still age. You leave for 5 years, you come back 2 mins later, but 5 years older.

So Jake could have gone through 10 "resets", assuming he does whatever he's going to do after 2 years (by 1962). By that time he will have aged 50 years & assuming he was 30 when he started, that makes him 50 years old.

Now, I'm not going to get into the whole conspiracy idea or that Oswald was NOT alone. In that case even if Oswald were killed in a year before the assassination OR the assassination failed, there's nothing to say JFK wouldn't be killed later that week, month, years.

It's like Terminator. Judgement day WILL happen, it's inevitable, just when it will happen can change. So History says JFK must die.

We're all in strung out shape, but stay frosty, and alert.

[–] Death163 8 years ago

That's not how it works everything is started over when u come back if u left at 27 spent 30 years in 1960 when u come back you'd still be 27 only a few minutes older the time u left doesn't continue when your in the past that's easily explained look at the yellow card man he's been there for years yet doesn't look old at all

[–] MrBelette 8 years ago

You're wrong, if you stay in the past 30 years, when you'll come back in the present even if 2 have only pass you will look 30 years older. That's what happened to Al when he made his last travel that lasted 3 years, came back with cancer after what were only 2 minutes in 2016. You can't take the Yellow Cart Man as an example, he's an exception. He is a character out of time

[–] SuperCatMonkey 8 years ago

Yellow Card Man isn't necessarily in the same boat. He's just trying to stop his daughter from an accidental drowning, and considering how many times he's done it he probably doesn't have to come back very long to fail again.

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[–] movienchill31 (223) 2 years ago

I'm thinking in YCM case he's done it so much that he's pretty much stuck and can't go back.