Befriend Oswald, knock him out, tie him up, travel back to the future with Oswald. Kennedy not assassinated? Great, take Oswald back to past, kill him, return to the future. It's a two-day job. Friggen amateur.
shareOswald was not in the USA in the time the portal takes Jake back to. Your scenario would be a 2 year job minimum.
shareYeah, I mean obviously after he gets back, it's a 2-day job. Tell me it's not easier than all the lengths Jake went to.
share2 years and 2 day job you mean?
shareBETTER SOLUTION: Find Oswald and break his fingers in so many places that he'll never be able to pull the trigger of a gun. If he is the assassin, you've just saved JFK. If he's not, at least you've it a lot harder for a violent thug to beat his wife. Either way you did a good deed and don't have to waste nearly as much time.
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Plus, if Kennedy still is assasinated, he either has to leave it be and accept it, or go back and spend three years there and stop the assasination somehow.
sharethey noted early on that every time you go through the worm hole, it resets what was last done.
but yes, it's made to be a lot more complicated than it needs to be...
JJ Abrams said something about how there was too many details for it to have been a movie. BS.
They can assign somebody else, and Kennedy could still be assassinated. Then you have to go back again, and wait 3 more years (after you have lost 2 already). So I don't agree with you.
shareOR!!!
Go back to 1960, travel to Russia, kill Oswald (logistics aside) and comeback to 2016. If Kennedy survived, great! If he was assassinated anyway then go back, reset and reassess. The whole system can be manipulated to avoid the whole "morality" question due to the reset option.
Then we're back to your two day job (a little more because he'd want to see the landmarks of Minsk... probably).
My opinion is when you have time at your finger tips, use it in the most efficient way possible. Spend as little time as you can setting into action a long winded plan in hopes it'll pay off. Just try some time manipulative *beep* making careful use of the butterfly effect. Then review its outcome in the future with the gift of hindsight. Change, review, repeat as needed (Shampoo is wise).
The issue with this plan is it involves an american, with no real documentation, traveling to soviet russia, tracking down an individual who's exact movements in super massive country are unkown, killing him, and flying back from the Soviet Union. Incedently, the Iron Curtain is a painful thing to try and fly through.
sharehence why the disclaimer was "logistics aside". I'm speaking in terms of the concept. The details aren't entirely important here because the concept is too broad to be limited by such precise details. It's the idea you can manipulate the butterfly effect to do as least work as possible.
For example, with even the most cursory of thought to the issue at hand, I'm sure with the gift of hindsight from 2016 it will be easy enough to forge existing documentation or even borrow your dedushkas perfectly preserved passport. With the gift of hindsight you can even mark out proven routes or attempt and perfect a multitude of ways to gain a special visa through strategic resetting. Hell, you can even take all your 2016 money and buy 1950's USD notes, take them back in time, invest it in high return stocks proven to be successful (again with the gift of hindsight), come back to the future, take it out and buy 1950's USD notes again and take back millions you could conceivably have earned and bribe a goddamn Russian official to locate and kill Oswald for you. An american doesn't go un-noticed or un-surveilled in Minsk during the cold war. Or even just hire some yokel with the money you've generated to do your waiting for you and shoot him when he gets back to the US while you see the immediate results by going back to the future.
You are posing limitation that exist due to time constraints. There is a myriad of creative possibilities to explore with the insurmountable advantage of time travel you have at your fingertips. You just have to have a little savvy and put a little thought into it.
If you haven't seen Edge of Tomorrow, I highly recommend it. The guy does pretty much exactly what you're talking about as far as resetting and using hindsight.
shareIf you haven't seen Edge of Tomorrow, I highly recommend it. The guy does pretty much exactly what you're talking about as far as resetting and using hindsight.
Or, just burn the library down the first night you arrive. Go back, see if that changed enough.
Or just shoot the guy you thought he was conspiring with (the russian) on the day you arrive. Go back, see if that changed anything. if not, you don't need to waste weeks following the russian guy.
If it was me, I'd just rock back to 1960 and use the sporting results to get filthy rich (why use dodgy bookies anyway?), exchange it for gold, go back to 2016 and cash the gold and live like a king. Screw JFK.
Simplest, quickest way to try and stop the JFK assassination as we know it would have been to build a bomb and blow up or burn down the Texas School Book Depository. Not that this would have 100% worked, but it would have changed the situation enough to determine that Oswald was in fact the shooter.
Assuming he still succeeded in the assassination THEN you could go back again and wait for him to return to the US and take him out with a clear conscience (only to find out JFK surviving destroys the US). Still, you'd be saving a load of time hanging around waiting for 11/22/63 to come around.
Revenge is the most important meal of the day.share
you likely kill a lot of innocent people if you blow up the entire Book Depository unless you are doing it at night. even then you risk civilian casualties.
shareYeah, true, but you could always just reset if it goes wrong. Doing it at night when the building is empty would be the goal though.
sharewell turns out saving Kennedy made things worse after all though, sometimes one thing you think is good but you forget it changes other things too. Lyndon Johnson did a good job after Kennedy was killed.
just like if Gore had won instead of Bush, maybe Obama never becomes President and perhaps neither would have Trump in the long run.
or the Hitler scenario, instead of him it would be Stalin.
same with the middle East get rid of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda and you get ISIS.
If JFK's assassination on 22/11/63 had been aborted who's to say there would not have been another successful attempt on his life in the next 4 years?
share11/22 not 22/11.
likely not with the failed assassination attempt the security would have been a lot more vigilent. not saying it would be impossible but much harder.
just like if Gore had won instead of Bush, maybe Obama never becomes President and perhaps neither would have Trump in the long run.
Revenge is the most important meal of the day.share
if Obama doesn't become president, than Hillary may never have run, same with Trump.
Hillary's mistake was picking Tim Kaine perhaps she should have chosen Bernie if he was willing to be her running mate.
if Obama doesn't become president, than Hillary may never have run, same with Trump.
Hillary's mistake was picking Tim Kaine
Revenge is the most important meal of the day.share
exactly Kaine was the type of pick thinking she had it in the bag. she didn't think she needed a running mate that could help her get elected, she picked someone she thought would be a good VP that she could work well with.
look at what Obama did that was smart picking Biden, someone that helped him get a lot of the working class white vote. just enough for him to get most of the swing states.
Hillary should have picked Bernie Sanders if he was willing he would have helped her get the votes needed to win. Sanders would have helped her get some of the votes that went to Trump and some that went to Johnson that would have made the difference.