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Stephen King stories make great novels but silly TV


I'm a huge fan of Stephen King's (& Bachman) novels but it's so frustrating to admit that I invariably find the movies & mini-series made out of his stories so trite, silly and disappointing. Perhaps it's that King's stories rely on working on the reader's imagination. TV takes away the need for imagination: it's all there on the screen. Perhaps its that the novels have more time and space to develop the story and characters. Stanley Kubrick came closest with his "Shining" but it fell short. A longer format (mini-series?) might have helped.

The list of sub-standard treatments of King stories is a very long and depressing one. Cujo, Pet Sematary, Salems Lot, The Stand (had its moments), etc etc

And no, I don't think it's a case of "having read the book first, watching the show must disappoint". I hadn't read the novel 11.22.63 before seeing the mini-series. Reading the book *after* was a massive improvement in this case. King was heavily involved in getting the mini-series made (he was exec producer) so he can't claim he was short-changed by screenwriters. Surely.

Anyone agree?

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This was the first time EVER that I read a book before seeing a movie or TV adaptation, and I was very much looking forward to that experience. To see if I would be disappointed with the min-series as most - it seems - usually are.

I for one was not. I was happy with the mini-series and was wanting changes, no matter how drastic. I know sure as hell I was bored with some of the book in regards to all the years in Jodi and some of the Derry, and was aware in advance of some of the changes as I paid close attention to social media from those involved with the production of the series. The change to have Bill be a "sidekick" to Jake was "brilliant" according to King himself. It saved the need for Jake to "narrate" as he did in the book/audio-book.

Anyway, again I was happy with the mini-series and not upset at all with changes. (though I found the Yellow Card man changes very dramatic and puzzling.)

That said, I likely will not be buying the DVD as is is almost barren of extras. No excuse for that.

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For the most part, it was a pretty decent adaption. Couldn't agree more about the Yellow Card Man, I didn't like the way he came to life on screen, I thought the back story on him in the book was awesome and so doable for tv.

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you said they make silly tv but at the same time you want longer format mini series instead of Kubrick's Shining?

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Cujo, Pet Sematary, Salems Lot, The Stand (had its moments), etc etc


Don't forget "Under the Dome"



“Willoughby, sir? That’s Willoughby right outside. It’s July. It’s summer. It’s 1888.”

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Don't forget "Under the Dome"


I TRIED to forget "Under the Dome". Thanks (not) for reminding me!! Yuck. So disappointing.

It's hard to put my finger on it but I do think it has something to do with the fact many of King's novels rely on the reader getting really close to the main protagonist...hearing their thoughts. We really get up close and personal with their thoughts, fears, demons. Video, on the other hand, relies on us deducing all this from the action swe see up there on the screen. Not as intimate. So much appears as goofy, cheesy.

Fear is so primal and abstract. Portraying it is tricky. Transmitting it to the audience and making them fear requires delicate chemistry.

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Good points. I feel the same.



“Willoughby, sir? That’s Willoughby right outside. It’s July. It’s summer. It’s 1888.”

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Steven King is the WORST at creating a backstory and give his characters believable arcs that actually work on screen.

Look at Tolkiens works and the rich backstories and even constructed languages for the characters races. Or the all the time that goes in to inventing a universe and backstory for Star Trek. Admittedly it always sounds like:
- "The transfocabualtors are offline, we need to reroute power from the modulator core!"

Often you can get i little fed up with techno babble or other backstory mumbojumbo but you always appreciate the effort.
When the backstory is good and believable, and somebody actually respects the viewer/reader, the feeling is that the creator actually cared.

The Steven King trademark of utter contempt for readers who need to know origin or have a close to plausible explanation for what occurs, is tangible and frankly, despicable.

Worst example being "Sometimes they come back" where Steven King skillfully had one character ask another why dead people showed up in their little town and the second character replied:
- "Well.. ..sometimes they come back!"

That was it for backstory and explanation and THAT is why, my friends, Steven King ultimately sucks huge donkey balls!

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I have always shared this sentiment about King's work.

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Your ignorance of his work and his abilities frankly buggars the imagination!! It's your loss,and a very,very big one!!!

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I'm a huge fan of Stephen King's (& Bachman) novels but it's so frustrating to admit that I invariably find the movies & mini-series made out of his stories so trite, silly and disappointing. Perhaps it's that King's stories rely on working on the reader's imagination. TV takes away the need for imagination: it's all there on the screen. Perhaps its that the novels have more time and space to develop the story and characters. Stanley Kubrick came closest with his "Shining" but it fell short. A longer format (mini-series?) might have helped.

The list of sub-standard treatments of King stories is a very long and depressing one. Cujo, Pet Sematary, Salems Lot, The Stand (had its moments), etc etc

And no, I don't think it's a case of "having read the book first, watching the show must disappoint". I hadn't read the novel 11.22.63 before seeing the mini-series. Reading the book *after* was a massive improvement in this case. King was heavily involved in getting the mini-series made (he was exec producer) so he can't claim he was short-changed by screenwriters. Surely.

Anyone agree?
Usually I am disappointed in any film adaptation of a novel that I am fond of. Of the ones that you mentioned, I have read Salem's Lot and The Stand, and enjoy seeing both versions of SL, giving slightly higher marks to the 2004 version than that of 1979. But I think that the 1994 ABC mini-series The Stand turned out very well indeed. It is, in fact, one of my all-time favorite films.

So I don't think they make silly TV in every case.

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The Stand is a fantastic adaptation. Aside from a dated look, the mini holds up remarkably well. Same with the 1979 mini of Salem's Lot. And let us not forget Carrie (de Palma), The Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile, Misery, Stand by Me, and Hearts in Atlantis.

Discounting The Stand, the other films all had top notch directors AND screenwriters. Essentially, it is not the source material so much as it is a lack of understanding of what made the book work. Stripped to its most basic elements, 11/22/63 is a man out of time and a love story. Stopping the assassination was secondary.

Where this mini failed is by being too long. If the people behind this had cut it by a quarter, I feel it would work much better. Instead, the writing team and directors seemed to lack focus. The changes could be better understood if they at least had better execution. Instead, the series devolved into a devolved into the very worst kind of Soap Opera.

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One adaptation that no one has mentioned is The Dead Zone. That's my favorite of the King movies. Very close to the source material, with a few exceptions that didn't spoil the film for me. I really dislike The Shining and The Stand. The Stand is my favorite of the books and I think for me, what ruins it is the casting. I could never buy Molly Ringwald as Frannie. It took me out of the movie.
I would like to see what they would do with The Talisman. Then again, maybe leave it alone. 😉

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I could never buy Molly Ringwald as Frannie. It took me out of the movie.


I could never stand Molly in the role of Fran Goldsmith either. I never understood the casting.

You never watched Shawshank Redemption? Delores Claiborne?

Pretty darned close to the "source material".

"Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy night"

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The Stand is a fantastic adaptation. Aside from a dated look, the mini holds up remarkably well. Same with the 1979 mini of Salem's Lot. And let us not forget Carrie (de Palma), The Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile, Misery, Stand by Me, and Hearts in Atlantis.


I thought all of these were great except for :
"The Stand", although my wife liked it and she's never read it, nor any other King book.
and Hearts in Atlantis - haven't seen it.

The Green Mile was even better than the book. (I read it in novel form, not the original serialized form).

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Loved the book. I was thrilled for this series. What a let down. Complete *beep* :(

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