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The Reality: Many Whites Don't Understand Life For African Americans

posted 8 years ago by BlueLolita
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After watching this show again. I realized that most white people do not understand what life is like for African Americans In the USA. Marcia Clark kept repeating that Mark Furhman admitting to planting evidence and calling people Ni66ers means nothing. ANd it would not suggest that he planted evidence.

I do not quite understand why so many whites Republicans and Democrats believe that police do not abuse their power onto many in the African American community. But the reality is that many African Americans experience this abuse 1st hand.

Watching this show made me celebrate all over again. WHY because it is clear that the "justice" system was exposed as the fraud that is.

Evidence collection is subject to Human Spectrums. So this means that if one is relying hard fact of DNA to substantiate one's claim. The claim has to be collected by a human. Who is subject to all forms and matters of emotions, manipulations, reactions and actions.

Many African Americans deal with things like this on a daily basis. So this is why many were well versed in song written by Johnny Cochran that told a story of a rich black dude who was a sell out framed by the LAPD! This may seem far fetched in the minds of many white people. Because it is not tune that one many whites may have to live by. But it is a tune that really carries a Melody in our community.

I really was just wondering why is is so hard for so many white people to understand the African American's perspective?

Is is inflexibility or blindness or comprehension. I think it is is a combination of all 3.

[–] aasoloway 8 years ago

I think many well-meaning white people feel that if they don't engage in it - it isnt reality for them. They don't know about the number of blacks in jail or really think about the people being shot by the police. They think in terms of equal opportunities.

I'm white, BTW. I think whites and non-whites have a different experience in America (like men and women do.) Life is difficult for everyone but its probably easiest to be white - which isn't fair. We've come a long way but we have a long way to go.

There's also a different definition of racism between the generations.

[–] RynoII 8 years ago

I'm white, so I can only speak from my own perspective. I understand the idea that the LAPD could frame a black person, perhaps even more likely than they would a white person.

However, I do not believe that O.J. was framed, not because he was black and I'm white, but because of the whole frame up theory itself. The framing story doesn't hold together, cause of too big of holes in it.

I believe the LAPD could frame an Afican-American, but the framing itself has to be plausible.

[–] BlueLolita 8 years ago

I'm white, so I can only speak from my own perspective. I understand the idea that the LAPD could frame a black person, perhaps even more likely than they would a white person.

However, I do not believe that O.J. was framed, not because he was black and I'm white, but because of the whole frame up theory itself. The framing story doesn't hold together, cause of too big of holes in it.

The only way one could conclude that OJ did it is if they rely on evidence collected by Impartial cops. But the reality is that The Cops are not impartial. They are very much jaded.

I have seen cops plant guns, drug and evidence to frame a case to bring about probable cause in order to have a judge sign a warrant for arrest. This is not hard. The fact that there were mere drops of blood on someone that was accused of slicing 2 peoples throats stunk of frame up to me.

Oj walks away without a scar on him after he kills 2 people fighting for their lives. LOl one a woman who would scratch and bite. One a very well built young man who can disarm, punch, kick who also happened to be a Martial Artist. They teach people to disarm attackers who are trying to use Melee weapons against you. How can a Black belt not leave a mark on OJ when he is fight for his life.

Please explain that too me.

That to me spelled DIRTY COP PLAY!

And if you think that any investigative department would not play ball with detectives then you are mistaken. The world can be a very dirty place. Playing fair is not something cops are known to do with African Americans.

[–] Otter (24464) 8 years ago

I'm no combat veteran, but I think it's very possible that a huge, strong, enraged man who is armed with a knife could kill two unarmed people without a scratch on him, given that it was dark and he had the element of surprise on his side both times. A black belt who's used to doing all his fighting in a dojo wouldn't necessarily react in time if a great big psycho jumped out from cover and stabbed him without warning.

And I don't say that a frame-up was impossible, but it's incredibly unlikely that even the dirtiest cop would give up on finding the real killers and decide to frame a celebrity who was known for distributing largesse to the police and for being able to afford the best lawyers in the world, within an hour or two of discovering the crime and without knowing how good OJ's alibi was. I suppose it's possible that there could have been collusion between the real killer and a dirty cop, but it's infinitely more likely that an abusive man who'd been threatening his ex-wife's life acted on his threats. And nothing has some out about a different killer in all the time that's passed, while OJ has been writing about "If I Did It".

[–] Cheepshooter (672) 8 years ago

I can't imagine the police/DA framing a celebrity like OJ. It seems like it would be really hard to make that work unless it was airtight.

It would be more plausible for them to frame a random person, who would likely be homeless and black.

On the other hand, if they really thought it was OJ, then they'd go after OJ. That doesn't mean they were right, but I do think they believed they were right.

[–] Otter (24464) 8 years ago

Even out here in Podunk the LAPD has a terrible reputation - corruption, brutality, and letting celebrities get away with... anything. If a fraction of what I've heard is true, they'd be more likely to let a celebrity get away with murder than frame one for it, especially someone like OJ who made a point of throwing parties for police. Who knows what that means - hookers, blow, bribes, whatever, they were already letting him get away with domestic violence and stalking.

So if someone says they don't think it likely that OJ was framed by the LAPD, it's not necessarily a compliment to the police.

[–] BlueLolita 8 years ago

I think that you do have a firm grasp on why the OJ verdict was so profound for African Americans. But as you can see many do not. Many whites have this idea that cops are machines incapable of being bais. I mean I can not understand how even after writing my initial post how some whites would still suggest that African Americans were celebrating a murderer set free. I think OJ was a sellout fraud, But i did not think that he did it.

But there is no use in trying to deliver the message that the celebration was about the exposure of a Justice System that is broken. Because it exposed how dirty police can are. The Mark Fuhrman tapes exposed him admitting to doing illegal acts. This is more evidence that the DA had against OJ and Mark Fuhrman is Free as a Nazi Bird.

And many whites do not care if he speaks about African Americans the way he does because many whites do the same when in private company. I can not imagine how someone would suggest that People of my race excuse and over look the tapes HARD EVIDENCE labeling them "irrelevant" when to us it really is relevant.

But thanks for sharing that.

[–] jstang411 8 years ago

But there is no use in trying to deliver the message that the celebration was about the exposure of a Justice System that is broken. Because it exposed how dirty police can are. The Mark Fuhrman tapes exposed him admitting to doing illegal acts. This is more evidence that the DA had against OJ and Mark Fuhrman is Free as a Nazi Bird.

Completely understand that the police conduct messages in the case evoked feelings within the African-American community, and for good reason (even obviously only in my own way).

Speaking for just this one white guy though, to me that aspect of it overrode the facts of the case and let a murderer go free. Even if an argument could be made that the Dream Team was good enough and the prosecutors (and possibly cops) so bad that that was the right verdict in a "beyond the reasonable doubt" sense.

And as to underestimating how relevant that feeling was, clearly Clark did not get it. She spent all her cards trying to get women on the jury cause she thought that key. But then she was a women who herself had been subject to abuse. Seems all of us first start with where we start from.

[–] BlueLolita 8 years ago

Speaking for just this one white guy though, to me that aspect of it overrode the facts of the case and let a murderer go free.

They are only facts to you because you are depending on the reliability of the evidence.

And you really are suggesting that a jury comprised of Majority African Americans WERE IN DEED biased. But omitting and overlooking a Police and Investigative Department comprised of of Majority whites CAN NOT BE BIAS.

How does that ring true?

And as to underestimating how relevant that feeling was, clearly Clark did not get it.

100% ACCURATE!!!

[–] jstang411 8 years ago

And you really are suggesting that a jury comprised of Majority African Americans WERE IN DEED biased. But omitting and overlooking a Police and Investigative Department comprised of of Majority whites CAN NOT BE BIAS.

I think each and every person on this planet is biased by their own experiences. So not saying other than how bias did come into it. Seems you were going with the experience of the African community (which I recognized as factually based) and I added in Clark's own bias. Not sure what you got upset about.

And no was not suggesting what you thought I was at all as far as the cops being biased at all. If anything a real possibility is that a few of them cut corners because they believed OJ did do it.

[–] BlueLolita 8 years ago

Here let is break down what you wrote.

to me that aspect of it overrode the facts of the case and let a murderer go free.

One this suggest that you believe that the evidence collected was reliable. Which it was not. SO you believe that the cops and the LAPD investigative team comprised of a Majorly White people are trustworthy. This also implies that they are free from enacting out of biais. IN A COLLECTIVE FASHION!

You also stated or implied which ever you like, that the injustice that African Americans face OVERRODE the "FACTS" and let a guilty man walk free. Are you not suggesting that due to the fact that the Majority African American Jury was biased and allowed their anger at a broken Justice System walk a murderer out of Jail.

ANd if that is what you are saying .. Then please tell me how this rings TRUE.. How can White cops be IMMUNE from doing something out of Spite, hatred, Fear or anger.
But a Jury or African Americans CAN NOT be IMMUNE from doing something out of Spite, hatred, Fear or anger?

How does this ring true?

[–] jstang411 8 years ago

ANd if that is what you are saying .. Then please tell me how this rings TRUE.. How can White cops be IMMUNE from doing something out of Spite, hatred, Fear or anger.
But a Jury or African Americans CAN NOT be IMMUNE from doing something out of Spite, hatred, Fear or anger?

How does this ring true?

I don't believe it true. Not sure how else to say I do not. Exactly how can I say it other than I do not? And once more, already said understood it was debatable as to whether or not OJ should have got the criminal conviction or not.

Might be easier if you didn't think I said what I did not. Also understand that you understandably have emotions flowing on the subject, but that is cool. If it helps you to vent then glad to be here to help you do so.

[–] BlueLolita 8 years ago

I don't believe it true. Not sure how else to say I do not. Exactly how can I say it other than I do not? And once more, already said understood it was debatable as to whether or not OJ should have got the criminal conviction or not.

Right so let's break this down once again. You just stated that White Cops and the Entities within the justice system are immune from acting out of Spite, Hatred, Fear or Anger. And therefore could not collectively act out of these emotions.

But, African American Jurors can act out collectively out of Spite, Hatred, Fear or Anger.

Which is why you say OJ the Murderer was allowed to walk out of jail.

And this is not racist?

Might be easier if you didn't think I said what I did not. Also understand that you understandably have emotions flowing on the subject, but that is cool. If it helps you to vent then glad to be here to help you do so.

But this is exactly what you said. You just tried to take a roundabout way of saying it. YOUR EXACT WORDS WERE:

Speaking for just this one white guy though, to me that aspect (the aspect of Marcia Clark failing to take Mark Fuhrmans Racism as relevant to the African American Jury) of it overrode(Caused the Majority African American Jury to act out of Spite, Hatred, Fear or Anger) the facts of the case and let a murderer go free.

And you are insisting that this is NOT racist?

[–] BlueLolita 8 years ago

Not sure what you got upset about.

Not upset at all. I am just asking for clarity?

Was not intending to come off that way.

[–] SilverLexiGirl 8 years ago

Wtf?? You serious? You're going to celebrate the victory of a vicious murderer going free just because the police dept is full of racist cops?
For you to celebrate a man murdering a woman in the name of combating racism is exactly what it wrong with humanity.

Women are battered and stalked and murdered by men every day all over the world and it is JUST AS TRAGIC as racism.

Stop celebrating evil in the name of other evils.

[–] laragazza 8 years ago

SilverLexiGirl, thank you!

[–] BlueLolita 8 years ago

Wtf?? You serious? You're going to celebrate the victory of a vicious murderer going free just because the police dept is full of racist cops?
For you to celebrate a man murdering a woman in the name of combating racism is exactly what it wrong with humanity.

Women are battered and stalked and murdered by men every day all over the world and it is JUST AS TRAGIC as racism.

Stop celebrating evil in the name of other evils.

You really seem rather clueless.... I mean for you to suggest that I am celebrating "OJ" did and got away with it is probably about as childish as you could get. It shows that complex social structures and the comprehension of these are foreign to you. I mean it is very Sarah Palinish. Iraq and Saddam Hussein did not Attack Us In 911.

That is probably a belief that you still hold despite being told a number of times it is not true.

So maybe this level of conversation is well above your level of comprehension and intellect. Maybe you should try something simpler like , Amazing Race or Dancing with the Stars.

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[–] Ricardo-36 8 years ago

While you may be right that there are, in fact, prejudice and evidence planting on some cases, the OJ trial seemed to stretch the possibilities of evidence planting beyond the reasonable possibilities. If we had a clear, rational observation of the evidence and kept to the scientific facts that could be observed from the crime scene and the testimonies, we would get to the obvious conclusion OJ did it.

However, an argument that is completely valid outside of that specific element was brought to invalidate the whole trial. That is wrong.

We have the opposite case seen in the documentary series "Making a Murderer", in which a poor white man is convicted of a murder case even though all evidence point to the opposite, and evidence planting was blatantly obvious. How can you justify that?

There is police corruption and it should be exposed and condemned, but we cannot mix up things. If we have all of the elements of evidence to convict OJ, regardless of who was involved, we should do it.

"You keep him in here, and make sure HE doesn't leave!"

[–] Boricanator (1469) 8 years ago

Like the other DA said. OJ going free was not a Civil Rights landmark. Cops would continue abusing blacks and getting away with it, unless they are rich.

We saw that again with Michael Jackson (although in his case, I really do believe he was innocent).

In the end, OJ proved to be the monster he was accused of being and now he is paying for it.

I'm an attorney myself. My clients are the poor. And when I represent these clients, I realize, it is never about race.

As the great Gordon Gecko said: "It is all about the money. The rest is just conversation."

[–] OvertonPendulum (4026) 3 years ago

Whites aren't under any obligation to understand Black perspective. Blacks and Whites obviously see things differently and always will. They shouldn't live together, it only causes problems.