I truly hope she gets death! She is also getting way too much attention for her crime and lies! You know I just heard about her for the first time last week! HAHAHA! But I sure hope she gets the death penalty why waste tax payers money? That's a pretty brutal, horrid and shameless murder! I certainly hope she gets made into an example!
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I truly hope she gets death!
But I sure hope she gets the death penalty why waste tax payers money?
Who proved that it's more expensive to execute someone than to support them for life??? That's absurd. Bullets are cheap, fast, and the mess is relatively easy to take care of. Plus, it would solve that whole "overcrowded prisons" situation.
shareWho proved that it's more expensive to execute someone than to support them for life??? That's absurd. Bullets are cheap, fast, and the mess is relatively easy to take care of
I wish I could use emoticons on the app. I'd be using the head-banging one now.
"Bullets are cheap"? Why, yes they are, but no one in America gets put to death that way or put to death soon. (Even the firing squad is never used anymore.)
Thank you for providing that link. I just posted for people to google it on their own. Pro-death penalty people should know the facts. I'm not saying it is wrong to be pro-death penalty, but people should at least not be ignorant.
Murder is always killing, but killing isn't always murder. Murder is wrong. Now you've learned something.
shareMurder is always killing, but killing isn't always murder. Murder is wrong. Now you've learned something.
Then we agree. You've learned nothing.
shareI think it's more a case of
YOU'VE TAUGHT NOTHING.
Only an idiot would believe that it costs more to execute someone than to support them with lodging (no matter how small), food, utilities, medical care when needed...no insurance necessary, an education if they want it...the list is too long for me to complete.
Who said anything about appeals, further legal counsel, etc.?? Not me. This is how I see it going down.
Judge: "So the jury is agreed; this man/woman killed/raped/molested the victim. OK, the sentence is death."
Accused: "Crap. I knew I shouldn't have left my fingerprints all over the place. Hey, who put down this visqueen in the floor? That can't be good."
Bailiff: "Make your peace. Here it comes."
POW!!!!! The accused lies dead on the floor with his brains splattered all over the plastic sheeting. The bailiff (or the victim's father/mother/spouse/whatever gives the judge his gun back. Two other guys come out of a room, they very efficiently roll the GUILTY in the visqueen, take him out the back door and dump his body in a large dumpster. Done.
Judge: "Next!"
If enough of these guys/women get what they deserve, my guess is that less women will be raped, less children will get molested, people will feel a bit safter walking at night, and the pesky "over-crowded" jails will now have some room to put the less dangerous bad guys in. It's really pretty simple.
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When I was a kid...no, wait. I still do that. I think it's more a case of
YOU'VE TAUGHT NOTHING.
Only an idiot would believe that it costs more to execute someone than to support them with lodging (no matter how small), food, utilities, medical care when needed...no insurance necessary, an education if they want it...the list is too long for me to complete.
Who said anything about appeals, further legal counsel, etc.?? Not me. This is how I see it going down.
Judge: "So the jury is agreed; this man/woman killed/raped/molested the victim. OK, the sentence is death."
Accused: "Crap. I knew I shouldn't have left my fingerprints all over the place. Hey, who put down this visqueen in the floor? That can't be good."
Bailiff: "Make your peace. Here it comes."
POW!!!!! The accused lies dead on the floor with his brains splattered all over the plastic sheeting. Two other guys come out of a room, they very efficiently roll the GUILTY in the visqueen, take him out the back door and dump his body in a large dumpster. Done.
Judge: "Next!"
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When I was a kid...no, wait. I still do that. I think it's more a case of
YOU'VE TAUGHT NOTHING.
Only an idiot would believe that it costs more to execute someone than to support them with lodging (no matter how small), food, utilities, medical care when needed...no insurance necessary, an education if they want it...the list is too long for me to complete.
Who said anything about appeals, further legal counsel, etc.?? Not me. This is how I see it going down.
Judge: "So the jury is agreed; this man/woman killed/raped/molested the victim. OK, the sentence is death."
Accused: "Crap. I knew I shouldn't have left my fingerprints all over the place. Hey, who put down this visqueen in the floor? That can't be good."
Bailiff: "Make your peace. Here it comes."
POW!!!!! The accused lies dead on the floor with his brains splattered all over the plastic sheeting. Two other guys come out of a room, they very efficiently roll the GUILTY in the visqueen, take him out the back door and dump his body in a large dumpster. Done.
Judge: "Next!"
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When I was a kid...no, wait. I still do that.
Geez. Hope THAT's outta your system. By the way, has it occurred to you yet that we're on the same side of this issue?
shareI think it's more a case of
YOU'VE TAUGHT NOTHING.
Only an idiot would believe that it costs more to execute someone than to support them with lodging (no matter how small), food, utilities, medical care when needed...no insurance necessary, an education if they want it...the list is too long for me to complete.
Who said anything about appeals, further legal counsel, etc.?? Not me. This is how I see it going down.
Judge: "So the jury is agreed; this man/woman killed/raped/molested the victim. OK, the sentence is death."
Accused: "Crap. I knew I shouldn't have left my fingerprints all over the place. Hey, who put down this visqueen in the floor? That can't be good."
Bailiff: "Make your peace. Here it comes."
POW!!!!! The accused lies dead on the floor with his brains splattered all over the plastic sheeting. The bailiff (or the victim's father/mother/spouse/whatever gives the judge his gun back. Two other guys come out of a room, they very efficiently roll the GUILTY in the visqueen, take him out the back door and dump his body in a large dumpster. Done.
Judge: "Next!"
If enough of these guys/women get what they deserve, my guess is that less women will be raped, less children will get molested, people will feel a bit safter walking at night, and the pesky "over-crowded" jails will now have some room to put the less dangerous bad guys in. It's really pretty simple.
Hah, great response. I almost thought to mention how even on "Game of Thrones" it's not as savage as that fantasy due process posted above. And that's saying a lot because that show (and the books on which it is based) are influenced by laws of the middle ages; where people gave false confessions due to torture. (False confessions still make up 25% of those later found to have not committed the crime, but at least we don't use medieval torture.) It waa a time when people were executed soon after their conviction (although not the same day usually).
I'm drawing a blank on the name of the fallacy that is going on here. It seems folks first argue that there is no way the death penalty is more expensive than life in prison, and when it is proven to them, they switch to how the sentence should be carried out immediately.
Now that several have discussed how flawed it would be to carry out a sentence so swiftly, I imagine, the topic could shift again to something else illogical or missing key elements.
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Not from you voxer, no, thankfully. The asinine diatribes you try and dress as educational are at best misinformed, at worst crass.
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You got the wrong guy. The diatribe was not mine. I wrote two short sentences.
Diatribes aren't always long winded. There are many definitions. Hey voxy, you've learned something new today! ;)
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Mirriam-Webster's definion of "diatribe"
: an angry and USUALLY LONG SPEECH OR PIECE OF WRITING THAT STRONGLY CRITICISES SOMEONE OR SOMETHING
1) archaic: a prolonged discourse
2) a bitter and abusive speech or piece of writing
3) ironic or satirical criticim
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A couple of sentences is just a reply or comment. Nobody has to call Security for that.
Well, there you go. Hope YOU learned something today, Steve! We learned that you either use archaic words to fog up the temper tantrum you're throwing, or you're stupid, bitter, and abusive. None of these are positive personality traits. Just because you use big words and hiss at people who disagree with you does NOT make you intelligent. Or correct.
I don't understand your specific kind of crazy, but I admire your commitment to it.
I seriously hate overtly emotional and primitive responses to a murder that happened to someone you don't even know. It makes me cringe.
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That's called "empathy." Really a requirement for a decent human being. However, that being said, too much of it can get in the way. I haven't watched quite a few movies, like "Saving Private Ryan", "Sophie's Choice", and "Schindler's List" because I know that I will end up crying for days. A shame, because I know that these are important movies. Gotta weigh my options. See a movie that will become a classic vs See the movie and have to stay away from sharp objects for 3 days so I don't open up a vein. LOL
If I had a dollar for every time I got distracted...Oh, look!! A puppy!!
Hey, I cry during sad movies too and I feel for people whos relative gets murdered (I have been through that myself, but that's really besides the point). However, empathy is also realizing that someone, for some reason is compelled to murder and that it really sucks that that is what they ended up doing with their life.
It's funny that in a country where people are so overtly Christian but people still can't find it in their hearts to be forgiving. I've seen comments to murders where people wish for the convicted person to die a slow and painful death and then they end the post with 'God bless'. That's just messed up.
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And again, my apologies for blasting the board. Posting from my laptop now.
If I had a dollar for every time I got distracted...Oh, look!! A puppy!!
You're very correct. It's much easier to say that we should forgive, but when it comes to someone who kills or hurts children, the eldedrly, or one of their loved ones, that very primal urge to protect them comes out, usually in the form of anger, even blood-lust.
Just an aside...I used to work for an engineering group owned by three men who were/are "Promiskeepers" and the 4th was my husband. We ended up getting cheated (there's just no other word for it) out of about $25,000 by them. My dad says that people who thump their Bibles are the ones you really have to watch out for. Shame, huh??
If I had a dollar for every time I got distracted...Oh, look!! A puppy!!
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I agree with you, and I also understand. When I read those things it just irks me because we really shouldn't want to go back to the olden days where they lynched people to death or an entire mob gathered to witness the burning of a witch.
Also, we might have the same dad.
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I know what you're saying, and in a perfect world, that would be great. I don't consider myself a murderer, and I am ADAMANTLY pro-life. But it sickens me to see rapists, child molestors, etc just walk free when their victims (the ones who survive) have to try to have a normal life after what happens to them. When these dregs of humanity starts asking permission before they rape or molest, then I'd consider imprisonment. Not before. I also think that the only difference between a lynch mob and an execution are the presence of badges, which most of the time, are penned to the jackets of criminals just posing a cops.
If I seem overzelous about this subject, I'd like to explain a little of my reasoning. Our grandson was molested when he was barely old enough to walk. We know who did it; CPS says they're pretty sure that that was what happened, but because our grandson was so young, he was not a reliable witness. Even though we're pretty sure he knew who "Daddy" was, and could explain so clearly what had happened. He's now a teenager, and doesn't remember it. We pray that he never does. Of course, CPS would not take action, so the piece of *beep* walks free. NO ONE HELPED US. Not the police, not the idiots at CPS, NOBODY.
A few years ago, our daughter walked into her living room around 10:30pm, getting ready to lock up. Standing in her living room was a very large black man with a VERY large knife. He ushered who to the back bedroom, where he raped her repeatedly, between trips to the hall, where he would wonder aloud what to do with the kids. Our oldest grandson was awake at the time, and heard and saw his mother being violated in the most horrible way a woman can be. The police, when they finally got there, questioned my daughter as if she had comitted the crime, then went to the guy's house...3 doors down...where he had fled on a bicycle. NO ONE HELPED US. NOT THE POLICE, NOT THE DA, WHO I HAD GRADUATED WITH, NO ONE. It took over 3 weeks and a REALLY nasty phone call from my husband to the Chief of Police to get them to go and fingerprint the place. So they threw away the mattress, which contained tons of DNA, then proceeded to cover her house with that oily, dark fingerprint oil. They checked the WHOLE house; she had to throw away several pieces of furniture, a ton of clothing, and it took weeks to get that oil off the surfaces it had been basically poured on. And this guy is still running around free too. Because, according to the police, they didn't have enough evidence to convict him. My daughter says that if she got raped on her way home from work, she'd just get back in her car and go home. She would not report it, because what happened to her afterwards was as bad as the rape itself.
THIS is why I have no problem with the death penalty. I'm not interested in seeing the man who raped my daughter (and 3 weeks later, a 13-year-old girl) or the father of my grandson, who molested his own son, languish in jail on our tax dollars. KILL THEM ALL; let God sort them out. We know they did it, the "police" and the rest of the judicial system here know they did it, but both guys are still free. This happens every day in all parts of our country BECAUSE there are those people who say that they can be rehabilitated, that we are not God and have no right to take life away, etc etc etc. I would not hesitate to put a bullet or two through the eyes of each of these men, and a couple of the cops would find the same fate. I know I'm not God, but I also know that I am a mother and a grandmother, the ultimate protector of both, and would LOVE the opportunity to send these men to meet their maker. I would not lose a second of sleep, and I would feel like the children and young adults of this world were a little safer with these guys off the streets.
I'm sorry for the rant. It's just that when someone tells me that I do not have the right to decide who lives or dies, I want to (and have) say that my daughter had the right to tell that man to get out of her home, but that didn't work. Our grandson was too young to speak for himself, but CPS wouldn't do it, and no matter how much we screamed, no one else would listen either. So now I carry a very large handgun. We have them all over the house. Loaded, ready to go. Someone might walk in here, but they'll be leaving in a body bag.
Don't be so quick to judge. The old adage really does apply: you never really know a person (or feel what they feel) till you've walked a mile in their shoes.
Rant over.
I don't understand your specific kind of crazy, but I admire your commitment to it.
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I don't believe in the death penalty. For me it's about what gives a group of people the right to kill, more so than one person? The death penalty, once allowed can be arbitrarily applied to any crime with absolute finality. When a society is ready for change in it's stance with a certain crime, or comes to prefer another treatment, which might have happened in the executed's natural lifetime, it's already too late. This position of mine is not even taking into account all the possibly innocent people that have been put to death, who is to be held accountable in that event and how.
That said, if i had to stick within the parameters of the law and it's recommendations, I still wouldn't apply the death penalty in this case, because there's more than enough room for it to be interpreted as either a crime of passion or insanity.
"what is your major malfunction numbnuts?!!
Please read my above rant. No one wants me to post it twice, even me.
I pray to God (and I don't do much praying any more) that NOTHING like this ever happens to you or any members of your family. But if it does...say your daughter gets raped (crossing myself just in case), and you sit across the table from the man who hurt and humiliated your daughter beyond anything you can image, and you don't feel blind rage and the need to remove him from this earth, then I'm sorry, but there's something wrong with you. If nothing like this has ever happened to you or your family, you're really not in a position to speak for these animals. Of course you're entitled to your own opinion; everyone is. I think the families of the victim(s) should be allowed to decide the fate of the criminal. There would be a lot fewer rapes in America if it wasn't so damn easy to get away with it.
My neice married a man from Egypt. He was watching the news with us, and a serial child molester/murderer was going through his 3rd appeal. My neice's husband said, and I quote (English is not his strong suit), "Wait. This man has done this crime before?" "Yes. And this is an appeal. He's been convicted to death, but he's trying to delay it." He said, very calmly and softly so the younger family members running around the house wouldn't hear..."In my country if you rape a woman or a child, you die. Not in years, in days or maybe weeks. This does not happen twice in Egypt. Then your body is hung in a tree with a sign on it so that everyone knows why he is dead. Why you do it this way? They will not stop." I have no problem with that. Slap a badge on the hangman if it makes you feel better. These people CHOSE to commit these horrible acts. In doing so, they lose the right to walk among the rest of us like a wolf in the sheep fold. No woman ever chose to be raped; no child ever decided that they'd rather be molested than go to the park. Those decisions were taken from them. The criminals' rights should be removed exactly the same way.
Sorry...I fell on another rant, and am having a hard time getting out of it.
May your family never know the heartache that our family has.
I don't understand your specific kind of crazy, but I admire your commitment to it.
Haha, you're seriously comparing a backwater joke of a country, whose ancient ancestors must be rolling in their pyramids at how far back they've slid, to one of the greatest justice systems the world as ever known, flawed though it may (mostly because of over punishment,and especially in unequal application of the law against different classes)? It's funny you should mention me never having experienced violence. My first girlfriend was shot dead walking out of the doorway her house, when she was 20 years old. My father's best friend and close friend of our family had his home invaded, and he was tortured for his safe's combination and then suffocated.
Yes, if there was no justice, I would gladly take the lives of these criminals after seeking the opportunity and I would sleep easy at night, IF successful, as it could well end up a permanent sleep. But for the sake of society and my own odds at surviving such retribution, I CHOOSE to leave these efforts and decisions up to all of us as a group,in my part of an attempt to reach the pinnacle of human expression, a philosophy based on reason, the best part of our bestial selves. The death penalty is a vestigial remnant of that base personal desire for revenge, and as such will find an ever smaller and smaller place in our midst as long as civilization advances.
It's been repeatedly proven that the death penalty has ZERO effect on criminal rates. It has been repeatedly proven that rehabilitation and psychiatric intervention has a great impact on criminal rates. There's no human that's lost that isn't insane, and there's no insane human that's truly lost. Every human should have the right to attain salvation before they go through the gates of the greatest unknown.
"what is your major malfunction numbnuts?!!"
I'm very, very sorry about your girlfriend and the family friend. I really am. No one deserves that. I'm assuming since you are still a believer in today's "justice system" that the perpetrators have been found and brought to justice. If not, there's just a little bit of info to back me up.
As for your choice to leave these things (justice, punishment, our philosophy based on reason, well...good luck with that.
Can you cite your sources that say that the death penalty has NO effect on criminal rates, and that it has been repeatedly proven that rehab and psychiatric intervention has a great impact on criminal rates. That must be a fascinating study. I've certainly never heard of any such thing. Kind of makes you wonder why the "3 Strikes and Out" thing is in place. Can't the legal system rehabilitate these guys 6 to 8 weeks after their first offense??If this was not their first offense, why did they commit these crimes? Were they not given the help you mentioned? Then shouldn't they be all sane and happy? Curious, yes? No worries...I'm sure that a group of people, chosen by the well-oiled legal system that we have, will choose a fair and fitting route for these people who have caused such damamge. By the way, how do the parents of your ex-girlfriend feel? Are they happy with whatever has happened to the killer? Do they feel like he/she has been over-punished? Maybe they should get a lighter sentence, especially if they're not one of the "better" classes, to make up for past injustices.
As I've said, I'm very sorry for your losses, and hope that nothing like that ever happens to your family again. I wish you were right; I wish that a man who thinks that it's ok to rape women and children could just be shown the right way and actually choose to go that way. That'd be amazing.
My neice's husband will be so interested to know that he comes from a backwater country, even though they don't have the same crime rate that we do. At least we know that while you're not comfortable judging another individual, you're perfectly happy to trash a whole other county and their culture.
It's not likely that we're going to change each other's minds, especially on IMDb, but I still would like to read the studies you mentioned. We apparently have two very diametric views on this matter. I guess the years will tell who is correct.
Good luck reaching that pinnacle of human expression. If you pass a black guy with a huge knife and a bicycle, please congratulate him. I'm sure he's very sorry for what he did to my daughter...and the 13-year-old girl 3 weeks afterwards...and whoever we DON'T know about, and he'll find that salvation about 15 seconds before he hits those pearly gates. I'm hoping that he reaches those gates with an imprint of my tires across his back...maybe a few skid marks from when I stopped, backed up, and hit him again. Pipe dreams...
I don't understand your specific kind of crazy, but I admire your commitment to it.
I am truly sorry for what your daughter has endured and suffered through, as well as your grandson's horrible abuse, and your family as a whole. You have every right to want to seek vengence against these monsters. You have every right to bear arms and protect yourself in your own home too.
I fear much of what you say regarding violent crime is with emotion and not necessarily relevant or factually correct. Much of your posts speak as if there is the death penalty for these voilent criminals or freedom to do it again... no in-between. You do realize life in prison keeps these offenders from hurting the public? Tragically, some offenders in prison succeed in killing other inmates or officers, but we need to take steps to prevent that from happening; not focus on "killing them all."
You also do realize that in the United States, death penalty cases almost always only exist for homicides, right? Other than Louisiana, I can't name another state that allows for rape to be a capital crime, and it must be committed against someone under twelve years of age. It is possible other states have enacted similar laws. I should have looked it up first, but my phone is acting up, and I don't want to lose what I already wrote. Perhaps I'll edit later.
Anyhow, I do wish rapists could get maximum penalties; that is for sure. They should never see the light of day again. There is no reforming, no treatment for those who commit sex crimes. I want them locked up for life so the public is protected. To me, that is more important than enacting the death penalty for such offenders. As it stands, we have a real problem getting convictions and lengthy sentences for sex offenders. It's sickening. Tragically, you know that more than anyone.
You asked for proof of death penalty states actually having more crime. Here's just one website: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates
There are others that discuss the issue in more detail. I do know that unfortunately, sociopaths who commit heinous crimes are rarely thinking of potential legal punishments, so their knowledge of the death penalty is usually worthless. These people have such deficits, they cannot be helped, and they cannot be intimidated with the idea of the death penalty. It seems the threat of the death penalty for many of them only works once they get caught and then pursue a deal to have life in prison in exchange for them giving information on their crimes.
With many people on death row spending decades there, it costing a great deal of money, and the death penalty almost always being limited to homicides with "aggravating factors," I personally choose to focus more on wanting people locked away forever so they cannot hurt anyone again. They also still will have to suffer with the loss of freedom. Do they "suffer" enough? Likely not, but the law is supposed to be about justice and not vengeance.
I don't blame you one bit for feeling the latter, however. All of us do fro time to time, and someone who has experienced the horrors you have, even more so. But remember, it's not "the death penalty or nothing." No one who discusses the problems with capital punishment are saying these criminals deserve to go free one day.
Also, a little veering off here, but I hope when you see black men, you don't associate them with the crimes your daughter endured. I won't get into issues with Egyptian law, but I don't know if taking a page from them is the right way to make America a better place. America's legal system is far from perfect, but the same can be said for any country. (Some more than other.) I hope America improves how sex crimes are handled (I actually loathe the term "sex crimes," but that's an official term, so I'm using it), and I want sentences for such crimes to be lengthened. We already know these monsters rarely stop, and we can't successfully treat them yet. (Even if we could, I want to see most "first offenders" rot in prison for life.)
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I'm sorry for replying to an old post, but I am cleaning out my laptop email inbox, and kind of skimming through my IMDb posts, making sure I didn't miss anything.
I just wanted to say that while I still disagree about an execution being more costly than life imprisonment, I really appreciate and respect the way everyone who is discussing this particular thread has behaved. I have seen some horrible things being said back and forth between people who don't know each other, and are talking about things FAR less emotional and controversial than this. We should all get a cookie or something. LOL
Also, I wanted to tell you that no, I don't associate black men with the rape. To wish the rapist and the police that "handled" the case some really serious bad karma is putting it mildly. But I do know that that feeling only hurts me, not them. They do not give my daughter or me a single thought ever, so my anger and frustration only hurts me. I could not stand to feel that way about an entire race of men; that would be not only exhausting for me (sustaining rage is like doing mental push-ups every second that I'm remembering it), and I can't even imagine the kind of energy it would take to be angry at ALL black men! Plus, it would be kind of hard to keep that kind of hatred going, now that my brother's son has adopted a BEAUTIFUL black baby, so my grand-nephew (I think that's the right term LOL) would make that hatred very hard to keep up. *G*
I'm working very hard at just moving on, and it's getting easier. TBH, it's like putting down a very heavy rock. That anger is so toxic. I don't miss it. Hopefully, the others who've had horrible experiences mentioned on this thread are able to do so in their own time as well.
Thank you, and the others who've responded to me and each other with kindness and empathy!
I don't understand your specific kind of crazy, but I admire your commitment to it.
Sorry to hear about your tragic situation as well. As for citations I don't a aggregate list at at the moment, but with a little legwork I'm 100% sure you'll see that facts line up on my side. As for Egypt:
"Egypt’s minister of justice who made the controversial statement that sons of garbage workers should not be allowed to become judges, has been replaced by yet another disputed figure.
Judge Ahmed El-Zind swore the oath before Egyptian President AbdelFattah El Sisi. In addition to being a stern opponent of the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood, El-Zind has also been known for a number of very controversial statements. He is also under investigation for mishandling public funds.
El-Zind spoke on the talk show, “Egypt Today” last year, hosted by controversial TV personality Tawfik Okasha. During the phone interview El-Zind said: “We, in this country, are the masters, and others are slaves, and whoever burns the picture of a judge will have his heart and his memory and shadow burned off the face of Egypt.”
In another statement on a different TV show, El-Zind expressed his pride in calling Qatari-based Al Jazeera TV network – often accused of supporting the Muslim Brotherhood – “AlKhanzeera AlHaqeera,” meaning “The Despicable Pig.”
On the controversial topic of appointing the sons of judges to judicial positions, El-Zind said that those who call for an end to such favoritism are “spiteful and hateful.” “No power in Egypt can stop this holy march to [Egypt’s] judges,” he added.
Mahfouz Saber, El-Zind’s predecessor, resigned after the outrageous and classist statement he made on Egyptian TV."
"what is your major malfunction numbnuts?!!"
! But I sure hope she gets the death penalty why waste tax payers money...