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SPOILERS - Begbie goes too far?


I'm not sure the decision to have Begbie actually try to kill Renton works. Would that character go that far?
I do believe he would want to hurt him, scar him for life and make him suffer but murder just seems like a step too far for the character. There is some moral there no matter how deeply hidden it is.
Renton despite all his betrayal was still a mate at some point in Begbie's life.

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Nope,


He was inside for 20 years.... his focus was Renton, he'll never forget he ripped off everyone (except spud lol)


He is crazy mofo, and he will/wants to kill renton badly, for all the sh!t he caused back in 96, during that deal, you saw how Beggers was.... when he woke up in that hotel, he snapped and trashed the room, all that anger since then made him want to kill Renton more.

You just don't rip of yer mates... and Renton + Beggers, where not exactly Buddies in T1, even Renton himself at the end in T1,

Here is the exact quotes

But let's face it, I ripped them off - my so called mates. But Begbie, I couldn't give a sh!t about him. And Sick Boy, well he'd done the same to me, if he'd only thought of it first. And Spud, well okay, I felt sorry for Spud - he never hurt anybody. So why did I do it? I could offer a million answers - all false.


As you can see? Renton didn't give a *beep* about him.

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SPOILERS FOR IRVINE WELSH NOVELS:

In Porno which this film is based on, the only interaction they have is at the end when Begbie charges at Renton across the street. Did he want to beat him to a pulp but then stop, or actually murder him? Who knows. We don't find out because Franco gets hit by a car and badly injured. He seems to be in the process of forgiving Mark before going into a coma. Many years later, you have The Blade Artist where he doesn't seem to care much about the betrayal. But then Begbie meets Renton again at the end, on a plane. What's going to happen there? Again, we don't know because this time it's a cliffhanger and Begbie's morality (among other aspects of his character) is by this point extremely ambiguous.

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Don't forget that Begbie almost killed someone for distracting him whilst playing pool...

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Begbie got a (sort-of) redemption when he accepted his son going to college and not following him into the criminal world. But even after hugging his son, he still went off to kill Rents. It's utterly inbred in him to hurt people or even, yes, kill them. Because that's all he knows. He's been in prison since the original movie when a crime like his would have been a ten year stretch at best? Nope, he's done some pretty awful stuff in prison. Maybe even killed someone. Hence his escape plan that involved getting stabbed... he didn't think he would ever get out of prison. He's an utterly violent person who doesn't know the meaning of 'going too far'... in my silly opinion, anyway. 😊

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Begbie explains in the film that he once killed a man when he was thinking of Renton.

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Well bear in mind he's a psychopath who assaulted a guy for ruining his pool game, and who casually threw a pint glass over a balcony and split a woman's head open.

î‚  If at first you don't succeed, you're not Chuck Norrisî‚ 

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My point is there is a massive difference between violently hurting someone and murdering someone. Yes he is a psychopath and he acts violently without giving it a second thought. Sadly the UK is full of people being arrested everyday for assault, it does happen.

However is he a murderer? There is a massive difference, let's not be casual about it.

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I'm just playing devil's advocate here, obviously that isn't how I would think or you would think. But it does make sense for the character and the way he thinks.

He pulls a knife on the guy who ruined his pool game, also the American he mugs in the toilet, and also the guy he glasses and beats in the bar, remember? And on all three occasions he gets stopped. I don't know if he intended to kill them or mutilate them, but either way he intended to inflict serious damage. And these guys did very little (or nothing, in the case of the American). It makes sense that when it comes to someone he considered a friend who greatly betrayed him he'd want to kill them.

î‚  If at first you don't succeed, you're not Chuck Norrisî‚ 

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Blade Artist doesn't confirm that it was Renton on the plane at the end. Renton was never dyslexic. "the face of the dyslexic boy he took that punishment for, all in the name of teenage solidarity and friendship".


Think that could have been Sick Boy and that's why Sick Boy starts reading the dictionary regularly.


Begbie might still be angry at Sick Boy for calling him Beggar Boy to his face in the hospital after he was knocked down and for sending him all that gay porn when he was in prison. I'm not sure if he ever found out who the sender was.

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Somebody has already told you once that Begbie killed a man in prison while thinking about Renton. He's already a murderer. Is it really that hard to believe he'd kill Renton after knowing that?

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In both the movie and the novel it's loosely based (Porno) on he's in prison for killing someone. In the film it seems clear he's on a life sentence for murder as his lawyer tells him he's been turned down for release on license after twenty years inside. He also commits another murder in the course of the storyline in Porno for no very good reason.

So yes, I find it quite credible he would try to kill Renton if he ever got his hands on him. He's had twenty years in the nick to build up his anger at being ripped off by a mate.

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