...the Metascore of the critics? Usually it's always the other way around. Can you explain what's happened here?
At the time of writing 6,500+ users have averaged a whopping 9,1 (so it's no small vote accident either), against 8,3 of the critics.
Or can you remember any other case like this?
I am also baffled by the imdb rating process.. If somebody could elaborate for me.. cheers.. BTW looking foreward to this film
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Non-US users 5603 9.1
btw the turkish never gave the guy his well deserved value... 211 us voter had probably high expectations...
Yeah, I'm getting really tired of these massive fanbase 10- and then anti-fanbase 1-voters..
Please just vote for the movie what you really really think of it!
I voted a 7, btw. :)
I think those figures explain the high score rather easily. From my experience, especially in younger generations, watching a film with subtitles or that is black and white is 'hard'. One told me it was impossible for him to watch B%W films, literally. That US statistic does not surprise me in the slightest as I may be down under, but we are essentially US Jnr. Our western culture is almost identical, which sickens me to be honest but thats how it is
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...and it's common on Imdb for better or worse.
That's how Christopher Nolan's films get consistently overrated here (by legions of fanboys), and that's how time-honored older classics like The Exorcist get voted way down by the same ignorant masses.
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Thanks for your reply but I'm afraid that's not quite what I meant in this case. I know there's a history of voter manipulation on IMDB, but so far it's always been in favor of the modern action films (like you say, some of the Nolan stuff, pretty good as it is)
But might this be the very first time that a slow art-house film gets that sort of a fanboy treatment? Even exceeding the avg. vote of the critics, who usually always show more support for these sort of films than the IMDb user vote?
Wrong point of distinction in this case. It's Nationalist pride not genre fanboyism.
Turkish and Indian films in particular have an insanely zealous fanbase that has been causing rating inflation here with increasing impact over the last 18 months.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with U.S. viewers vs those abroad because the vast majority of non-U.S. viewer votes are not representing a significant cross section of voters worldwide. 99% of those upvotes are coming from only the country of origin or expats thereof. It's unfortunate that imdb doesn't offer a more granular view of country by country demographics in the voting display page or this would be immediately obvious in most cases.
So this is nothing like Italian, French, Japanese, Korean etc. art films being watched by thousands in dozens of different countries, it's the single country/language core audience that is absolutely crazy about their own native films. (or more cynically some suggest it's an active campaign to raise the profile of their nation's films)
Either way I've stopped being surprised when I see a title and rating that is WAY outside the normal bell curve and then see it's either from India or Turkey. The bias evidenced in most of these cases is so extreme that the IMDB rating becomes almost meaningless unless you're using it to rank other films from the same region against only one another.
It's a shame too because there are absolutely some great films coming out of Turkey but with such a heavy voter bias on display here the only way to get a remotely balanced perspective is to rely on top critics (specifically) reviews at Rotten Tomatoes.
Of course in the cases where one of these great films gets picked up for broader international distribution that bias is lessened and we see a more balanced view as votes do roll in from members all across the globe.
He did win the most prestigious award you know (Palme d'Or).
I agree that the nationalist pride manipulates IMDB rating for many Turkish/Indian TV shows and movies (and maybe other nationalities as well). However, that does not mean that any Turkish/Indian movie with a high rating is unjustified. Nuri Bilge Caylan has received more awards from international venues than Turkish ones and he is a globally acclaimed director.
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I am from Greece and i rated this movie with an 8.
So please, can you talk with a little bit less certainty about your beliefs?
I'm thinking about seeing this one. It's opening at my Angelika theater in December and the fact that it's a Palm D'Or winner really appeals to me. But dang, 196 minutes is quite a runtime!
shareHonestly felt shorter than a 90 minute film.
The film is extremely engaging. Not one boring scene.
One of my all time favourite films!!
I agree. The action was in the dialogue, in the character interactions, in the semi-philosophical remarks. Even a complete lack of narrative didn't stop me rating this a 9.
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All you had to do was wait a bit.
As you can see...now 3 months after your post - that the ratings are starting to even out.
The ratings are meaningless, so I don't bother with them.
I have seen high ratings that made no sense in quite a few turkish movies.
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