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What are they gonna do with D'Artagnan and Constance?


I must admit, I was not happy with the writers advocating infidelity in the first place. But watching these two marry at the end of season 2 just got me to think.. NOW what?

All I can think is that they have to kill off Constance. She just has to go.

I have been trying to come up with ways to split them up and keep her in the story, but I just can't see it.

I fully expect them to kill off Constance sometime in Season 3.

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I don't think Constance will be killed off and if anything, having them married now opens up new opportunities, including bringing in children unless the writers choose to make them childless.

I've got the feeling d'Artagnan ( and the other Musketeers ) will be spending a large part of S3 away fighting war against Spain and Constance will either go with him - as some wives did back then - or stay behind dealing with her own storyline, perhaps looking after the poor and 'war widows' during very difficult times. She may even already have a child to look after, since four years have past since the end of S2 - confirmed by producer Jessica Pope.

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Why would they need to split them up or kill her? Constance is her own person as well as D'Artagnan's wife and I'm sure she will have story lines of her own in series 3 just like she did in series 2.

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Because married couples are boring.

It's hard to write stories with married couples who just adore each other.

Look at what happened on Castle.

As soon as the two got married, the writers had to split them up. Now Becket's separated so she can safely do her rogue detective work.

(Castle's plot is weak I know, but that's a whole other story).

In short, it's easiest to write if couples have something between them. For the first two seasons it was her husband. Now they killed off that poor guy, so they need something else.

I would kill her off to be honest. I didn't care for all the infidelity going on in the first two seasons. Bring some Karma into the show and kill her off I say.

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Wishing death upon a woman for infidelity? Are you the reincarnated spirit of Henry VIII by any chance?

Seriously though, you can't judge a 17th century marriage by 21st century standards. Bonacieux and Constance's marriage is more like a business deal than anything. They didn't love each other and they both knew it. If she had actually broken the heart of a man who loved her then I would feel differently but he was clearly indifferent towards her and it was his pride that got wounded not his heart. She just fell in love with someone else. That's life, I guess. You can't blame a person for wanting to be happy.

I haven't seen Castle but I agree that it's very tricky to write happy married couples, hence all the crazy obstacles that writers use, but it can be done if it's done well. And as a previous poster pointed out series 3 will be set during a war. D'Artagnan and Constance won't be joined at the hip because he'll be away fighting and she'll be supporting the Queen. Also they don't adore each other 100% of the time - they did a fair amount of arguing in series 2 because they both have strong opinions and neither of them is a pushover, and I'm sure it will continue that way.

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Wishing death upon a woman for infidelity? Are you the reincarnated spirit of Henry VIII by any chance?


I said it's best if you kill off her character to simplify the writing. And no, I don't care for cheaters being rewarded at the end of the season. I think that's the wrong message.

That hardly makes me a damn murderer or even someone who thinks about it. This is FICTION.

I am not judging (should be condemning, but people don't use words properly these days) 17th century marriage. I am condemning producers who reward characters for misbehavior.

I really don't care if the marriage is a business deal or not. If D'Artagnan REALLY DID CARE about this woman he would NOT encourage her to lie, sneak, and CHEAT with her. That just puts HER in HARMS WAY when SHE gets HOME to her HUSBAND.

Sorry, but that's just reckless, selfish, and destructive of D'Aartagnan to put Constance in that situation. Business contract has nothing to do with it.

I don't think infidelity is something men ought to be encouraging women to partake in. PARTICULARLY in the 17th century when they don't have the resources to protect themselves.

That's not love. They did not "fall in love". Sorry, but I don't think any man who encourages a woman to lie, sneak, and cheat her husband shows her "love." D'Artagnan was not "in love" with her, nor did he "love her" while he lies, sneaks, and cheats with her. All he did was ruin HER reputation, ruin HER marriage, and put HER in harms way. That's not what I call "falling in love." Heck I was clapping so hard when Constance told D'Artagnan off for putting her welfare at risk. Then in the following episode she backpeddaled and I wanted to throw up.

As far as the husband goes, he treated her badly, but.. as you said.. it's a 17th century marriage. He wasn't indifferent to her from what I saw. You don't know what was "in his heart." The facts are he mistreated her by todays standards. He didn't even lay a hand on her until he found out she was cheating. I could be wrong on that one, so feel free to challenge it. He wasn't that bad of a guy by 17th century standards. BUT.. because he's a JERK by 20th century standards he gets killed off at the end of the season.

I CAN blame a person for wanting to be happy when the way they go about it is to lie, sneak, and cheat. I CAN blame a person for using infidelity to seek happiness. MOST affairs in that time do NOT fare well, particularly for the FEMALE. They usually end up beaten, whipped, or worse. Even by today's standards relationships that start out as affairs have like a 5% success rate. In the 17th century it was probably more like 1% or even less. I can blame a person for having an affair in order to achieve something affairs don't have a great chance at realizing. I don't fault someone for wanting to be happy, but I DO criticize them if they go about it by robbing a liquor store. That's NOT going to get you where you want to go.

But more importantly, I don't like the idea of a show that endorses this sort of thing. That was my primary concern. Bad choices should result in a bad outcome. Walter White wanted his family taken care of before he died. He wanted 5 millon bucks (or whatever the amount is). The problem is breaking bad in order to do it, selling DRUGS in order to provide for your family is NOT how you go about that. And the show DID make it crystal clear: don't make meth. What happened? His wife won't speak to him, his son is ashamed of him. Neither of them want a dime of his money. His brother in law is dead. White ends up dying alone and humiliated. THAT is a story!

I was just hoping The Musketeers would have said the same thing or similar. Maybe there is still hope. Heck Constance already caught D'Artagnan making out with another woman. Maybe there's still hope they will send a better message to their viewers.


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I was just teasing about the Henry VIII thing, no need to be offended :)

D'Atagnan certainly came across as a pig in his behaviour towards Constance which is what created a lot of the tension between them in series 2. He's young and immature and that became an obvious character flaw. It will be interesting to see how they develop their relationship going forward since their personalities are very different. But I hardly think the producers are endorsing infidelity, it's a fact of life and that was as true of the 17th century as it is of today. For me, fiction should reflect life and it should show human relationships as they are, not as they should be. And adult audiences are not so easily led that they copy the behaviour they see on screen.

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For me, fiction should reflect life and it should show human relationships as they are, not as they should be.


IF that were the case they would all be speaking French. lol

But more seriously...

I don't have any issues with infidelity being shown in a show, or violence, or crime, or any unsavory behavior like that.

What I do have concerns about is producers celebrating this kind of behavior, and rewarding it.

Almost every great cinematic work endorses values that are worthwhile for humans to pursue. If they choose to pursue the converse, they suffer for it and the film becomes tragedy rather than drama or comedy. Both MacBeth and Breaking Bad come to mind, though there are many more.

My frustration with the infidelity is that no one suffered for it. That is NOT real. You claim you want the show to reflect life as it is? Well, cheaters don't get happily ever afters. Almost never. And that would make sense given how they choose to behave.

You said yourself D'Artagnan behaves like an immature pig? Well, why REWARD him for that behavior at the end of the season with a happy bride? That does not demonstrate the kinds of values shows want to endorse, nor does it reflect the reality of the day either.

I am by no means suggesting cinema look like a classic Disney film. I have no problem with cinema showing violence, greed, deception, or whatever else. I just noticed in this case that deception, immaturity, and pouting seems to have won D'Artagnan a bride. That's hardly great quality cinema.

I don't expect the good guys to always win. What i do expect is that if good characters do bad things, that they eventually pay for it. That through their suffering they learn their lesson and grow. That is what characters are supposed to do over the course of a season... ARC.

Athos has grown to trust Milady and benefited for it? I think that was where he was going.
Aramis made a promise to God to leave women alone and he keeps it by going to the semenary.
Porthos - does not seem to have arced by end of season 2.
D'Artagnan - behaves like an immature pig, cheats a marriage, and gets rewarded with a new happy wife?

Sorry, that last arc just ain't working for me.

I stand by my initial post. I can only hope they kill her off or D'Artagnan somehow suffers for his behavior. As written it just does not make sense to me.

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In the 17th century, married French Kings could openly have mistresses, so 17th century morals are hardly worth aspiring to.

What about Queen Anne cheating on her husband with Aramis because she's stuck in an unhappy arranged marriage?

What about Milady getting away with her role in the plan to execute Queen Anne? In real life, she would have been hung for that.

We appreciate what the reality for women was like hundreds of years ago - which is why I don't want to see Constance become a female Musketeer ( in all but name ) in S3 because it would make a mockery of her speech to d'Artagnan at the start of S2 - but since Dumas's novels AND most of the film adaptations of The Three Musketeers have the good guys behaving in ways we'd view as dubious today, this tv adaptation isn't that different. In fact the Musketeers in this show are nicer people than the ones in the book..

d'Artagnan isn't a pig and his behaviour isn't the behaviour of men who abuse their girlfriends and wives in real life - says a woman who WAS a victim of domestic abuse ( not me ) - he just speaks his mind. If Constance wants to get involved with a hot headed young man, she needs to accept him for who he is and she has. Marriage will probably have calmed him down a bit.

I'd argue that Aramis's behaviour with Margeriute was worse because he had a sexual relationship with a woman by lying to her about finding her attractive, many women would be devastated to learn that a man had ulterior motives for getting them into bed, other than genuine attraction.

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In the 17th century, married French Kings could openly have mistresses, so 17th century morals are hardly worth aspiring to.


I am referring to 20th century morals. The show may be set in 17th century France, but it's written for a 21st century audience. The values endorsed in the work are written for that audience.

I do expect the show to endorse values worth pursuing, rather than showing deceit, violence, and infidelity pays off in the end.

In most cinema characters who pursue worthwhile values get rewarded, and those who reject those values for the converse end up destroyed; either physically, socially, or financially.

What about Queen Anne cheating on her husband with Aramis because she's stuck in an unhappy arranged marriage?


Unhappy marriage or otherwise, infidelity is not a good solution. This subplot reflects that. The Anne and Aramis subplot was written much better than D'Artagnan's. They both cheated the King of France and now they have a mess on their hands. The Queen's given birth to a child that's probably not of royal blood, Aramis committed himself to a seminary, and there are rumors about the court that the Queen's been unfaithful. That infidelity brought ruin to the court of France and her subjects. The best part is that infidelity continues to aggravate, and for good reason. Aces on that.

What about Milady getting away with her role in the plan to execute Queen Anne? In real life, she would have been hung for that.


Milady's deceits have brought her distrust. Particularly from the man she loves most: Athos. That's her comeuppance and internal struggle.

We appreciate what the reality for women was like hundreds of years ago


This is exactly why I don't want infidelity celebrated on this show, or any show. The REALITY both of modern day and even morseso in 17th century France is that infidelity brings ruin. Not unlike greed, violence, or a variety of other undesirable values heroic characters grow to reject and challenge at every turn.

d'Artagnan isn't a pig and his behaviour isn't the behaviour of men who abuse their girlfriends and wives in real life - says a woman who WAS a victim of domestic abuse ( not me ) - he just speaks his mind.


Some people on this forum would agree he's a pig yes. D'Artagnan does not just "speak his mind". He lies, he sneaks, he cheats, and for some odd reason the writers chose to reward this character for that behavior.

If Constance wants to get involved with a hot headed young man, she needs to accept him for who he is and she has. Marriage will probably have calmed him down a bit.


I fault D'Artagnan for the bulk of the mess he's created. He's the one with the freedom in the period. At least he's got more than Constance has. She's just property.

What makes him a pig is that he chooses to play with the property of another man, knowing full well that the "property" is what gets the beating and the whip when caught. I don't find this is something writers ought to reward. Sorry, I would be just as offended if we were shown a film of someone killing, raping, or stealing and getting rewarded for it in the end.

Constance lies, sneaks, and cheats too, but she's the one that gets the beating when caught. I think she got off easy overall, but D'Artagnan just robs the farm completely. D'Artagnan does not even show any remorse for the danger he puts Constance in.

I don't expect him to be Mr perfect, but I do expect his misbehavior to cause him difficulty. Instead he ends up a happy groom? Not satisfying, sorry.

Aramis's behaviour with Margeriute was worse because he had a sexual relationship with a woman by lying to her about finding her attractive, many women would be devastated to learn that a man had ulterior motives for getting them into bed, other than genuine attraction.


And Aramis was punished for that. Margeruite dies, Aramis is ashamed of himself, and he commits himself to a seminary.

Don't you see that D'Artagnan made similar terrible choices and for whatever reason the writers chose to reward him and Constance for it? It's just all around worrisome writing. They CAN fix it. But I think Constance needs to die in order to make that work. Or she miscarries and they break up. That may work too.

I don't want to see Constance become a female Musketeer ( in all but name ) in S3


I don't either. I don't think that reflects the period well. It will just look silly. It looked silly enough with her fencing trained soldiers in the first two seasons. Even if D'Artagnan trained her, I just couldn't buy it. The image of her fencing destroys the illusion of the period the writers struggle to maintain.

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Well, cheaters don't get happily ever afters. Almost never.

Unfortunately they often do! As I said, that's life, whether we like it or not. But don't be so hasty in writing off this particular story line. There's another thread you might be interested in reading on this board about D'Artagnan and Constance's relationship. A lot of posters on there found his behaviour quite problematic especially the way he made Constance feel guilty throughout series 2. I have faith in the writers that they will explore this issue in series 3. I'm not interested in seeing Constance being dragged over the coals for her choices when she is overall a decent and kind person but D'Artagnan has a lot of growing up still to do so there is still plenty of potential for conflict between them. I think one of the writers said that D'Artagnan will become more mature in the next series so I think we can expect more character development for him.

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Unfortunately they often do!


Less than 5% of the time. Statistically speaking that isn't something I would call "often."

Sorry, but those are the facts.

I don't want Constance killed off either. I just have trouble seeing a better way to resolve the mess created in season 1 - 2.

I will check out the other thread thx.

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d'Artagnan's behaviour wasn't great in S2 but he's not "abusive" as some fans like to say. Like I said, one fan of the show - who was a real life victim of domestic violence - said there was a real difference between d'Artagnan's hot-headed behaviour and the way her ex-boyfriend used to verbally threaten and intimidate her.

No doubt in S3, his stable marriage to Constance and his experiences with war will mature him as a person.

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Constance's husband at least wasn't poaching marriages in secret.

Sorry, but I consider a man abusive when he hides while he puts a woman in harm's way.

Any man who sneaks into a marriage, has SEX with the female spouse, and then HIDES to keep his behavior a secret is putting the female in harms way. Worse, he's putting himSELF OUT of harms way sneaking around.

If the woman wants to put herself in harms way that's her choice. What kind of man allows htat? Worse what kind of man allows a woman to put herself in harms way just so she can have sex with him? Isn't a man supposed to step INTO harms way to protect the female?

What kind of MAN throws a woman in front of a bullet like that?

I dunno. Under the circumstances Constance's husband gets a lot more respect from me than D'Artagnan does.

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Jesus *beep* christ this is just a tv series not real life... calm the *beep* down

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People DO cheat, so YES, it IS real life.

There's nothing wrong with a critical discussion about social issues.

You are the one cursing, so why do WE have to calm down?

I think you should follow your own advice.

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From what Constance seems to be wearing in S3 teaser pics - some sort of leather clothing - she may no longer be working for Anne in the new series ( at least not in the way she was in S2 ) and that would make sense. If Constance was still living at the palace, she'd be away from her loved husband too much - she wanted to be away from Bonacieux - and on top of that, being a mother would prevent her from carrying out her role in the way she did in S2..

I think she'll be used as a support network for the very poor, during times of war and many men being away - speculation only.

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The most sensible thing to do would be to bump her off, as happily married TV couples are desperately dull.

so bollocks is bad, but dogs bollocks is good?

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