Here is some more proof that confirms Vic’s controversial nature.
This is a quote from Jim Bray, a member of the Starship Ajax production, who explained in detail what happened, and how Vic set that production behind by a year. This was posted on the trekmovie.com site on line # 630. Originally, his name was with held out of respect. This also explains in detail Vic's and Farragut Films' involvement in the setback of Starship Ajax.
“Ok…here’s the whole STARSHIP AJAX story….We had just aquired the bridge set from another production; “Starship Exeter”, and had moved it to an airplane hangar to begin restoration. It had sat in a polebarn for several years, exposed to the weather, so it was in pretty rough shape. Vic had attempted to get his hands on it, but showed up 2 weeks late, so the owner, Jimm Johnson gave it to us.. When Vic heard that it was about to slip through his fingers, he hustled to Texas to get it. (You see, he wanted it to make his production, “Star Trek Continues”) Jimm told him, “Sorry pal, you never showed up. You snooze, you lose!” Vic was furious and threw a hissy fit…offered thousands of dollars for it…but Jimm’s mind was made up; the bridge was ours to keep. Vic then set about badgering us to get it…rent it…borrow it…He waved around his checkbook and that got the attention of the AJAX team. I wasn’t there for any of this, but I was getting constant calls from the guys to keep me in the loop. I’ve worked with types like Vic before, so I tried to warn the guys…told them to steer clear of this guy…he was just a bad news Hollywood type who will tell you what you want to hear, but screw you in the end. Finally, a deal was worked out that Vic would rent the hangar next to ours, help with our rent and send a crew to help us build all the other sets (Conference room, captain’s quarters, curved corridor, transporter room, sickbay) and an exchange would be made…Vic would get to shoot on our bridge, and we would get to shoot on the new sets. Now, keep in mind, restoration stopped on our bridge to do this and rent was still being paid for the space while our bridge just sat there. For a month or so, the work on the sets progressed and things were looking great. We were so stoked that we would actually have all the original Star Trek sets at our disposal…and THAT was when Vic yanked the rug right out from under us. He showed up late one night with a crew, packed up all his sets and left. He probably would have taken the bridge too if he’d had a key to our hangar. At this point, we had used up all of our building materials, our budget was shot, and to make matters worse, he stuck us for the rent. His final words? “Payback is a bitch.” His B.S. set us back over a year as we crawled out of the hole that Vic dug for us. He brought the whole mess to the folks who make “Starship Farragut”, making the same promise to them. You see, he got free labor and materials out of us and basically ruined us…all because we beat him to the bridge that he wanted. Do I HATE this vindictive *beep*? Yep….”
And here is another confirmation of Vic's nature. For those who have been wondering about the incident concerning Vic’s attempted coup of Phase 2, this was also revealed and confirmed by Patty Wright of P2.
“So here is a “minor” tale from the Phase II side. For the episode being shot June 2011, James was set to play Captain Kirk’s father – as Kirk himself barely appeared in the episode. Vic begged and begged to have the part, and offered a friend to play another key role “Guy #1″ and James turned it over to him. Two weeks before filming was to begin, the actor for “Guy #1″ got a paying gig and bowed out. Therefore, we switched it back to James playing Daddy Kirk and put Vic playing “Guy #1″.
Vic called me. Sobbing. And I mean SOBBING. And BEGGING to play Daddy Kirk, saying it was his “only chance, ever, to play a Kirk”. When I told him we had no choice, he asked if HE could find someone to play the “Guy #1″ role. James told me to tell him he could try, but at this point in time we couldn’t help with transportation, lodging, or anything else a “real actor” might want. He called us later (not sure how many days) and had roped Colin Cunningham into it. Vic said Colin was available the entire two weeks and that Vic would pay the salary, food, lodging and transportation Colin wanted for working. James told Vic that if he was willing to do all that then, of course, he could play Daddy Kirk and we’d love to have Colin for the other role…as long as Vic understood we were not paying for ANYTHING.
So I call Colin to set up his lodging. It is then I find out that he is available for two days at the beginning of the shoot and two days in the middle, but had to go to Canada in the middle and at the end. NOT the entire shoot. (As he was a main character, and other stuff had to be scheduled in, we could not schedule around that.) I tell James and then call Vic to report the problem. Vic then yells at me for 10 minutes that it’s completely unnecessary for Colin to be there the entire time and I am causing trouble by having told James that because “he doesn’t need to be bothered with those kinds of details”. Vic then calls James and tells him I am lying and Colin is available the entire shoot. Vic then calls me back and yells some more about me telling James to begin with. (In case you guys don’t know, James is the creator and Senior Exec of our production…or HIS production LOL) I tell Vic I can’t schedule the guy for 4 days and we’ll just have to go back to James playing Daddy Kirk and Vic playing the other guy, and we need to thank Colin for his willingness to try to work with us.
O.M.G. Vic melts down completely. First yelling at me that “James can barely handle Captain Kirk, there’s no way in hell he could handle the other Kirk”. Then he sobs and begs some more. Then he goes back to saying James can’t act his way out of a paper bag. Vic insists we can film a heck of a lot more in 4 days than we are able to. Vic accusses me of causing trouble by telling James the truth and “upsetting him with a truth he doesn’t need to know. It’s better if James is ignorant of the details of his production.” Vic then calls James and tells him that yes, Colin is available the entire shoot and he doesn’t know why I am causing trouble and telling James otherwise. In fact, he says James should get rid of me for causing such trouble.
These calls to James and I, back to back, go on for about 45 minutes.
Oh. I forgot to mention…..while he is calling James saying one thing, and then calling me yelling cause I told him the truth…..wait for it…
James and I are sitting next to each other at a restaurant. It would have been funny as hell if it wasn’t so infuriating.
Long story short… Colin comes. Vic does pay his expenses. He is not available the middle days and expects us to provide transportation to Canada and back for him. When he finds out we don’t have the money or driver to do so, he stays in his room, refusing to come to the set during those days because Vic only is paying him for the 4 days. (Colin was an absolute professional and a joy to work with, btw. I am just pointing out Vic did not pay him for the entire shoot, as he agreed to do.) Vic and his business partner who attended made this shoot sheer hell – which is ENTIRELY different from our “fun summer camp” we are used to. Not surprisingly, we did not get all the footage we need to finish this episode. (We’re still working on pickups)
But here is the kicker- to this very day, Vic claims that James “stole” his money and “owes” Vic the money he paid Colin and for Colin’s requirements.
Folks, I was involved every step of the way with these arrangements, even listening in on speaker phone when Vic was talking to James, and I can ASSURE YOU that Vic absolutely agreed to pay everything needed and understood absolutely that there was no way in hell that WE or James could ever pay it, nor would we. But Vic states this as his #1 reason for “hating” James and trying to bring the production down.
And, that, folks, is just the tip of the iceberg…..
When James finally started screaming “hang the **** up on him! Hang up! HANG UP!” and then did it for me….I finally texted Vic “speaker phones suck, huh?” LOL and, yeah, this was the issue that Vic used to try to get his edit seen…”
This is not an exaggeration. From what I have heard there is SO much more. However, I have not been privy to the rest of the information concerning this. Suffice to say, Vic brings a path of destruction with everything he “works” on…"
Even David Gerrold had this to say about Vic's behavior(this was posted on the Trek BBS).
"I will never work with Vic Mignogna again in any capacity, nor would I recommend him to any other producer. Vic Mignogna's actions, both on the set and off, are the primary reason why we will have to junk everything we shot on the Origins episode. The script is a good one, we got an astonishing performance from Matthew Ewald, and it's a story we want to tell. We should have been able to finish it and have it out by now, but much of Vic's work was unusable and Vic has so alienated the production crew that none of us want to invest any energy into finishing an episode with him in it."
As one posted stated who used to be entrenched in the anime industry (worked for numerous conventions, was a con-chair, headed up the largest Anime club in the state of TX, and interned at ADV which was one of the biggest anime companies out there RIP.), this is the just the tip of the iceberg with Vic Mignona and like that one poster, I can’t, in good conscious, stand by as he sullies something that means so much to us. Ego is one thing, but outright unethical business dealings, contempt for fans, extorting con staff for a plane ticket, sexual harassment, ect is another thing. The worst part of all this, he’s an ex police officer, puts out Christian albums, and was the song leader at First Baptist Church in Houston. With all that, he still does what he does. But people here still like him for his second rate impression of William Shatner? No sir, we can’t have this.
The most ironic part is that he puts out a panel to “dispel rumors about him” at conventions. Attempt and trying to get better PR much?
Unfortunately, people will still defend him and he’ll still continue to go on doing what he does because he was Edward Elric in Full Metal Alchemist and the fangirls like “getting a squeeze” from him.
The thing is, the base of most of these claims are very factually supported, and a lot of the facts are public knowledge.
As to why some deny these...Maybe they just don't want to deal with it. Maybe it is because the truth hurts and it hits close to home. Maybe its because they feel threatened by honesty. Certainly Michael Bednar of Farragut is, judging by his statements. Maybe its for other reasons. Who knows?
Nevertheless, these are the facts.
As far as my being Razorburn are concerned, I am not that person.
Unfortunately, in the trekmovie.com column about STC's first episode, many of the same comments were copied by others, with other identities.
http://trekmovie.com/2013/05/30/fan-production-star-trek-continues-releases-first-episode/
Chances are that it is one or many of those individuals(i.e. Jovius the Romulan and whoever else that have made those remarks). I can't say that I blame them for their negative remarks. I concurr with them 110%.
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Polaris01313-1
11 years ago
Here is also a quote from both Alec Peters(LOKEN)and Robert Simmons - Simmons is a former producer of Ajax - confirming Vic's and farragut films's malicious acts. It can be found at the Trek BBS addresses below.
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=133657&page=53
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=5440252
Peters - Alec Peters here. I am part of the formerly 3 person group called "Starfleet Missions" that was renting the other hanger. I run Propworx and am the Star Trek Archivist for CBS.
The group included John Muenchrath (Dr. McCoy from New Voayges) and Vic Mignogna. We were set to do two different projects, a TOS one and a one shot called "Axanar".
We have been building sets on the hanger we rented next to Ajax, and the plan was to all use all the sets. Vic was supposed to pay the rent for October and November, and Doc John even gave him the money. (Being a business person I had an excel spreadsheet showing what each person contributed and was owed since it was a partnership). Vic failed to pay the rent in October and November and thus we lost the hanger.
Vic probably did it on purpose because he wanted to leave the partnership because he (being the total narcissist he is) felt HE was doing all the work, and Doc and I were doing nothing. That didn't go over with John who is writing the script. Vic even suggested that Doc and I fly to OKC to paint the sets, but he was too busy to go. He also only wanted to work on his TOS project so he could be Kirk and hated that we were going to do Axanar since it wasn't about him. Vic is working with Farragut now. His third production, having burned the previous two now.
Vic doesn't care about anyone but himself as anyone who has dealt with him will tell you. He is the single most toxic person I have met in my life. He only cares for himself, thinks he never does anything wrong, takes all the credit and none of the blame. And so he screwed Ajax and Doc John and I.
It should be pointed out that everyone at New Voayage/Phase II hates Vic. His bad behavior is now legendary. Word from Farragut is that John Broughton is already tired of Vic (note John's Facebook posts about dealing with manipulative people - he was specifically talking about Vic).
We were set to use the Farragut sets, but Vic bitched and moaned about me to them and so they went back on an agreement we had agreed to a few days earlier. I blame Mike Bednar, John's partner, for that. He is in Vic's pocket and even shared a private email I sent to them (with my references since I knew Vic was talking *beep* with Vic. Vic then went out and bitched at the people who I used at references, one being his former assistant, who has now quit.
OK, so there it is. I don't usually air my dirty laundry in public, but since this affects Ajax, I thought the story should come out. And I can give you a dozen people who will back up my insights on Vic, and another dozen who will tell you I am a pro and treat people right.
Yes, we should all work together. We should all get along. Heck, James Cawley opened up his sets to us so we could shoot "Axanar" there next Fall after Vic screwed us and Farragut backed out on their agreement with us. But some people are selfish bastards who only care about themselves.
I am available by email at [email protected]
Alec
Simmons - Thanks Alec. I was not happy how this was all playing out and one of the major reasons I quit. This whole process has been backwards from what I had well in place before the Exeter bridge and the other group came into the picture. I had to shelve the entire development process to give attention to the sets which I wanted to deal with later. But that was John's call since Jimm and Josh said come get them or forget them. Little choice on the matter. Act or loose. John chose to act which I knew would introduce a host of problems I was not prepared at that time to deal with. I knew John was in the process of being hurt and I refused to be part of it since I was powerless to stop it after I came back. I warned him to not let the others pay for the materials going into the second hangar or they would walk off with them. Despite all the overtures of mutual benefit and co-operation, All I saw was everything was set up for them to own the sets and to be in a position to walk away with them outright. For me real intent is not voiced, but what position you put people in and that is what i was militantly waving the warning flag to John over begging him to not let them pay for the sets. I found out they did pay for them virtually the same time I quit for a host of other reasons I mention later in this post. And when I pointed out to John the time table for their November planned shoot and how when they were done they were going to walk off with the sets, John went into panic and began to press Vic in phone calls to let us to be able to at least be able to film on them before walking off with them. This was a huge eye opener for John in that they were not wanting to hang around after they finished their shoot to let us use them which would have required them to pay more rent on the second hangar long after they were done with them. ( that is why we upon realizing this all of us suspended work on the second hangar since it became painfully clear to all we were working on sets we would never be allowed to use despite no matter how many hoops we jumped through to meet the voiced desires of the other party...) My hands were tied form day one on all of this and I wanted no part of it, but John insisted to do this and I was overridden on this despite my vehemiant objections blowing my stack over this. I also knew to not trust this venture form the beginning since i had it communicated to me via the grape vine that a particular individual was outright griping about us securing the Exeter bridge and badmouthing us. So I was outright against even doing business with this venture form the outset knowing what had been said about us behind our backs. ( Those are our sets, we're professionals and at least we know what to do with them, yadda, yadda, yadda...which I found arrogant and beyond insulting....) As well in time I found out from one on one contact in the process of the build that Vic didn't know anything about what he was talking about. All B.S. and bluster... which for me was VERY TELLING about the caibre of individual I was dealing with and having told me second hand by those he was in communication with during the 2nd hangar build.
John Hughes and I discussed at length as to what to do when this finally blew up and John had made the decision to not say anything and just let people peaceably go their separate ways to prevent conflict. but since this has come out and you and Jim Bray have brought this public, this makes this whole post event process easier for the Ajax crew, John and I. I was not happy about how things seemed to be playing out as things were going down, and although I have been one of New Voyages / Phase II's harshest critics I had to take James Cawley and Patti Wright's side in this conflict ( I never thought I would ever hear myself say that..)....since at least they asked the original authors to do "Mindsifter" which more than legitimizes the production in my eyes. Vic's voiced desires to do with him as Kirk I felt was outright backstabbing and I HEAVILY pretty much wanted to avoid that whole mess altogether.
Alec you did me and John as favor my mentioning all this here. I was frustrated from day one when we entered into the partnership cause I wanted to as much photo and video documentation and updates to post for those wanting to follow the progress of the production. I was miffed when we had to avoid posting stuff so to keep Vic's project out of the public eye. ( We were beginning to feel like the fat ugly girlfriend not wanting to be seen with publically in the relationship which for me was an instant sign things were not exactly being above board.... ) From the descriptions form richard and Scott who were present at the first hangar when the second hangar was cleared it was the core Farrugut team who broke down and removed the sets form the second hangar. I'm now pressing those present to see if any pictures were taken as requested by me so they can be posted as proof here. I've been pretty hacked and feeling stabbed in the back by the Farragut group over this in the wake of our mutual voices desires to work together ( like my telling Bednar on the phone how to do the viewscreen in response to his query on the matter...), and I now consider myself in a state of war with them as a result. Broughton and Bednar and crew are royally at the top of my major *beep* list now, and they are offically DOGMEAT in my eyes as far as integrity and honesty goes in how they deal with others. The final straw for me is discovering that I was blocked by John Broughton when I got an update on our Facebook page that said he comment on one of the 2nd hangar photos I posted but I could not see his comments. That for me was a royal major SLAP IN THE FACE that was the injurious last straw that made me decide to quit the second time, cause that for me was proof that Vic was talking crap about me behind my back to the Farragut group. That majorly did not sit well with me since I was in essence in the process of building what was evidently HIS SETS which I had just found out he had paid for. ( So I was told at the time by John hughes...) MY attitude on that was "OH HELL No! ...and I walked off the production the second time. ) Otherwise why would a guy I hardly know and had never fought with just outright block me? I found that in if it self VERY TELLING in light of everything going down simultaniously.
EDIT: Oh by the way....even though Vic paid John $1000 in cash for the wood he borrowed from the first hangar out of Johns' personal paid materials, The total hit to John in delays come to to nearly 10 months. ( Some have been saying 6 months behind the scenes. Since March when the plans veered to a 2 hangar plans to meet their demands. We can quibble over one month rent if any wish to take issue with it...) For those of you in Rio Lynda that $5500 in rent alone John has lost due to the delays on this when they insisted on having a second hangar and that what we were doing in the first hangar was not good enough for them. So in addition to the $5500 in lost rent John is owed he also has the cost of time, travel expenses devoted almost exclusively to the 2nd hangar at the expense of work in the first hangar.John has been feeling burned and I have been royally pissed over this in light of being told repeatedly "We are eagerly looking forward to working together with you." So depsite the $1000 Vic paid John for the wood so he couldn't be accused of stealing, the total bill John is owed is around the $7000 mark after all is said and done. All talk. Sorry I expect people to pony up the cash first or no game. Sorry folks....I'm cocked and loaded eager for a fight on all of this. And Vic calling to both John Hughes out over little things is BEYOND APPALLING! I am more than eager to have this conversation with him since the last time I blew up at him over the phone to mind his own business.
Peters: Understand, my intent was ALWAYS to stay at the OKC facility through 2012. "Axanar" is planned for a Fall 2012 shoot. I even was planning on absorbing the entire cost of the hanger and sets myself when Vic screwed us.
But when he didn't pay the rent I was screwed. We all were. We didn't have the option to stay.
Also, everyone on my team was SHOCKED by the total mis-management of the set build Vic was in charge of. He got an estimate 6 months ago and never shared it with us. We finally took that responsibility away from him, but too late.
Alec
PS, John Broughton is a good guy. Never had a problem with him. I think Mike Bednar is the one allied with Vic.
*As far as John Broughton being a good guy is concerned, that is a claim that I must differ with.
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Polaris01313-1
11 years ago
Frankly, I don't care whether you take this as a grain of salt or not. That is entirely your decision.
Here is the evidence that backs up what David Gerrold stated. Plus a little more.
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=214357&page=8
As to what Patty and Jim revealed, you will have to visit the following site on facebook.
Anti-Vic Mignogna Group 2.
Does that clarify things for you? Obviously not.
Oh, here is my review of the latest STC episode. #99.
http://trekmovie.com/2014/02/08/star-trek-continues-set-to-premiere-2nd-episode-lolani/#comment-5203778
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feenix219
11 years ago
The really sad part is that we have screens of text dedicated to Blue Thunder (yeah, i noticed it at trekbbs last night...) yet we don't have very much discussion at all about the actual *episode in question* - the longer we spend indulging the troll, the more he wins, because the focus is now on him, instead of the fantastic new episode of Trek that we just received.
The only flaw I can find is the use of McKenna in an Uhura role... but I, unlike others, can't hate on Vic for it; it is one of the perks of being boss / owner / Captain - and I know GR did the same.
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raspail
11 years ago
So, is it confirmed that Blue Thunder/Christopher Brent is also TheSentinel68/razorburn? I had noticed a similarity in writing style, though not as overt as between TheSentinel68 and razorburn.
So now my question is, who is Christopher Brent and what is his stake in this matter? According to Robert Mauro, Brent is not welcome to be a part of the P2 production now or ever, so clearly they have issues with him too. So this makes him even creepier since he has no dog in this fight, yet he compulsively continues in his one man hatred campaign.
At one point, TheSentinel68 was willing to unscrupulously use Pony Horton's illness in an attempt to poison people against Vic. Mind you, TheSentinel68 doesn't actually care about Horton or his illness. They are just ammunition in his one man crazy war. Nothing more than a tool to further his own selfish ends.
I noticed that in the above Christopher Brent quotes, Brent also seems to be willing to use the death of his parents to gain sympathy for himself. Let's look at those quotes:
"Not that it is any of your business, but I am happily married and have my own home and career."
Irrelevant, but I do wonder if his wife or his boss, if they exist, know about his mental instability.
"My parents died fifteen years past(my father from lung cancer and my mother, from a broken heart at losing her husband)."
This statement seems designed to do one thing and one thing only and that is to deflect further criticism by making people feel sorry for the filthy bastard. Brent is perfectly willing to use his parents' deaths for his own selfish ends.
Their deaths are nothing more than ammunition for him to lob at whoever criticizes him. Disgusting.
"So on that note, I would be quite a bit more respectful before opening your alligator mouth and letting your it overload your jaybird behind."
This sentence backs up what I said above. He used his parents' death to try and get people to be more respectful toward him.
So it appears that Christopher Brent is willing to use the death of loved ones for his own selfish purposes much like TheSentinel68 used Pony Horton's illness to try and turn people against Vic. Now if that doesn't indicate narcissism...
Therefore, in my mind at least, TheSentinel68, razorburn, Blue Thunder and Christopher Brent are all one and the same. The same sick, deranged, twisted, lying maggot who will go to any lengths in his lunatic odyssey to try and destroy a man who probably doesn't even know he exists.
I guess now the question is, who exactly is Christopher Brent?
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raspail
11 years ago
Kudos to you, chipwolfe, on an *excellent* takedown! Your photon torpedoes hit dead on!
"Spock is the shiz-nit!"
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Polaris01313-1
11 years ago
Sir(and use that term rather loosely), I am not a liar and I have posted the truth. I can't control what information has been made available and what has been erased. Nor can I control what you think. The evidence is there and I have presented it. How you look and interpret it is of your own decision.
Some people are just blind to it or they just choose not to look at it because they know that what has been presented is well known and based on documented facts. You can also blame those postings on Alec Peters. I'm surprised that you haven't gone after him.
Unless I am told personally by James Cawley, himself, I will continue to voice my opinions.
Judging by some of the negative reactions, I'd say that the truth has hit home and they just don't want to admit being called on the carpet for it.
Obviously, they are Vic fan boys, as you obviously appear to be.
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feenix219
11 years ago
Your a thick skulled moron. It doesn't have to come from Cawley himself, HIS OWN TEAM AND PRODUCTIONS HAVE DISAVOWED YOU COMPLETELY. I know stubborn; I *AM* stubborn. You're on the borderline of a psychosis here.
The only truth that "they" don't want to admit, is "you" admitting that STC is a high quality, well acted production, and that Vic makes an *excellent* Captain Kirk.
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feenix219
11 years ago
Its no more of a ripoff then P2 is a ripoff; You both have the same source material. You, sir, are a hypocrite. You have blatantly said in the past that Uhura was better on P2 (same actress) and are angry that she jumped ship. You have blatantly said that the guest stars and scripts would be better on, on Phase 2. Your only problem with this entire production is Vic, and that is a personal beef of yours, apparently. Yet I am a fan boy??? So because P2 did it first, and worked hard, it means no one else can do the same? By that logic, Star Trek should have ended in 1969.
You obviously don't care what others think, since every time you type a sentence, you make yourself look more close minded, ignorant and hateful. You have no concept of reality or real life, so forgive me for not taking your "people like what i say! really, they do! i promise!" bit seriously.
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raspail
11 years ago
"Some have actually loved what I have posted."
Who exactly? Name names or it isn't true, you fvcking liar.
"Spock is the shiz-nit!"
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raspail
11 years ago
That idiot lies to himself about the quality of STC. I have shown him review after review, all glowing, and he just conveniently ignores them. He mostly lies to himself, since no one here takes him seriously.
"Spock is the shiz-nit!"
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raspail
11 years ago
"Sir(and use that term rather loosely), I am not a liar and I have posted the truth."
Nope, you're a low life liar. Chipwolfe has pretty much dismantled your entire argument with documented quotes. So yes, you are a liar. It is now proven fact on record, Christopher Brent.
"I can't control what information has been made available and what has been erased."
How very convenient. David Gerrold's **entire** post still exists, but you chose to only quote the parts of his post that furthered your filthy agenda. Chipwolfe proceeded to then post the entirety of Gerrold's comments, which pretty much derailed your attempt to use Gerrold (as you use others) for your own selfish ends.
"The evidence is there and I have presented it."
No, what you have presented is your own spin on the events in question, all of it self serving and in furtherance of your obsessive and unhealthy hatred of Vic Mignogna. About as far from the truth as you are from sanity.
"...what has been presented is well known and based on documented facts."
Well, what you presented as facts until chipwolfe showed everyone the unedited versions of what you posted, such as the aforementioned David Gerrold quotes. Funny how your argument collapses when everyone is shown the full and complete comments which you tried to hide. I especially loved the part where you kept quoting Jim Bray's comments from 2011 over and over until Chipwolfe showed everyone Bray's more recent comments where he now understands Vic's point of view and has *****moved on***** from the situation. You tried and failed to cover that part up. Chipwolfe has done an excellent job of exposing you for the filthy, toxic narcissist that you are.
"Unless I am told personally by James Cawley, himself, I will continue to voice my opinions."
That statement shows the little regard and respect that you have for James Cawley. You are using him and the P2 production to further your own selfish hatred of Vic, just as you used Pony Horton and your own parents when it suited you, azzhole. Cawley **has** pretty much told you and the other hatemongers to drop it. So has Robert Mauro. Their comments were addressed to **everyone**, including you, who was still fanning the flames of this situation. What an arrogant, selfish, narcissistic prick you are to demand that Cawley cater to you personally. It's already been made quite clear that you are not welcome to be a part of their production, not now, not ever and this is clearly the reason why. You are poisonous and insane and they don't want you near them.
"Judging by some of the negative reactions, I'd say that the truth has hit home and they just don't want to admit being called on the carpet for it."
Wrong, the negative reactions to your narcissistic bullshyt are due to you fanning the flames on a situation that everyone else wants to die, including the staff of P2 and Ajax. No one but you cares about the behind the scenes garbage anymore. We want quality Trek and both P2 and STC (as well as other productions) provide that. That is all that matters here. No one but you claims that STC is a crap production. I have shown you glowing review after glowing review of STC's quality and of Vic's performance as Kirk and you conveniently ignore those and continue to lie (to yourself, mostly) and say it's no good. No one thinks this but you. *No one*. Yours is a failed argument and a lost cause. In the end, your deranged, stalker-ish vendetta has not gained you one fvcking thing. STC is a rousing success, Vic gets stellar reviews for his performance as Kirk and all your insane little mutterings won't change that fact.
"Obviously, they are Vic fan boys..."
I am no one's fanboy, you lunatic fvck. I want quality Trek and STC provides that.
*****That is all I care about*****.
Take your behind the scenes hatred and drama and shove it up your azz.
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raspail
11 years ago
You're absolutely right, chipwolfe. That part had slipped my mind when I wrote my reply to Christopher Brent. Thanks for the correction and thanks again for your almost surgical dismantling of Brent's idiotic and dishonest vendetta. I also have to wonder if he has some unhealthy fixation on Vic. Cheers!
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dwlow812003-303-706210
11 years ago
even tom hanks has taken notice of Continues, and thinks its awesome. that's one heck of an endorsement right there.
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raspail
11 years ago
Wow, really? Very cool! Where'd you see that?
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klaatoo999
11 years ago
Cool. It is a worthy continuation indeed.
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Polaris01313-1
11 years ago
Phase 2 is more of a worthy continuation, since they are the ones that came first.
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raspail
11 years ago
Nope, and though I know you have no respect for Rod Roddenberry and would use him in a heartbeat if it furthered your cause, it seems that The Great Bird of the Galaxy's son has given Star Trek Continues very high praise and an official blessing. HAHAHAHA, suck it down you creep! Your bitter tears are delicious!!!!
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feenix219
11 years ago
Did I just hear that Cawley's opinion atters more then Rod Roddenberry???
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raspail
11 years ago
Yes you did, at least according to our twisted resident Mignogna fanboy, TheSentinel68
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Polaris01313-1
11 years ago
Star Trek Continues will only attract the die hard fans. It will suffer less viewings and will be cancelled in short order. It’s appeal to the purist die hards (Being true to TOS) is also it’s downfall to the viewing audience as a whole.
No one will take a show that looks like it comes out of the 60s seriously, regardless how well written it is. Which in this case, it isn't.
What's most interesting is that the people at STC have deleted all the negative comments and commenters. Honestly, they’ve banned more people than they have fans…and NOT detractors either. Just people who make constructive comments that aren’t kiss ass “you’re awesome, wonderful and perfect!”.
That's a good way to lose their fan-base before having one.
As a fellow fan accurately pointed out: STC certainly “ripped off” the ball and is nothing more than a phallometric measure against P2's successes.
Oh, and Raspail - that decision is up to James Cawley. He makes the final decision in such matters since he is the senior executive producer. You might want to do your research as far as the chain of command and upper echelons are concerned.
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raspail
11 years ago
One thing I've noticed about Christopher Brent is that when pinned to the wall, he just up and disappears from the message board thread that he is fouling with his stench. Over at Slice of Sci-Fi, Jackson hammered old nutjob with demands for legal documents to back his asinine claims. Christopher tried hard to change the subject and deflect by lashing out at his detractors, but Jackson wouldn't let up. So what did whacko do? He vanished, disappeared, became a ghost. He ran away because he knows that he can't back up his lies with real documentation. I guess his twisted MO is to show up at some Star Trek board, start pissing his particularly vile urine into the water and then run away when the other forum members start demanding actual proof from him. Then he just chills for a bit, peeks his head out to see if the coast is clear and starts his crap all over again, foolishly thinking that people aren't on to him and his narcissistic vendetta. It's a twisted cycle with this clown, but at least it's entertaining for the rest of us.
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feenix219
11 years ago
Since this seems to have turned into the resident troll thread, I just thought I'd laugh here over the fact that trekmovie's Lolani thread thinks that I'm someone else's troll account. Its pretty hilarious. They don't like that I choose the unpopular opinion so that automatically makes me their target's alterego. Heh.
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raspail
11 years ago
Well done once again, chipwolfe and very interesting and enlightening reading. We haven't seen that loser Brent around much lately. I'd like to think it was our combined efforts to not let him get away with his lies, petty slander and stalking behavior. But just like black mold, I'm sure he'll turn up again. That's ok, I don't mind fumigating him every time he pops up.
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