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Wow!! is this terrorism?

posted 10 years ago by TheBigHarsh
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First thing is I am an atheist, I don't want to attack religion or religious people here because every person is entitled to his/her own beliefs.
But this movie is so embarrassing, showing religion like North Korea regime "if you are not with me, then, you are against me", for this reason is what makes me non-believer, religion ideology judge the person based on what he believe in and out, if he have faith or not, not judge based on the human inside of him or the morals he hold if evil or good. Jesus was very brutal, full with hatred, similar to a blood thirsty lunatic, murder young boys/girls because they don't believe in his existence regardless if they love the world and the humanity, is this enough to kill someone who don't say you "Yes". I will not accept the religion repression ever in my life.
By the way, I was born to Muslim family but I left my religion from 8 years, I read about Christianity and Judaism and I can assure that all of them related to each other in someway with changing in some events & details depending on the culture background and the time of each religion when come.
We have in Quran same as Rapture day but called The Day of Resurrection or "Yawm Al Qiyamah", this day different in its fantasies and stories about who will come, who will fight, the creatures type and many other things.
So religion like I said before it is "Terrorism".

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[–] sbabb-511-510139 10 years ago

Considering the film makes the Rapture out to be one of dead people everywhere (an interesting interpretation, but usually in Rapture stories believers just disappear), I don't think it's fair to label Jesus as "very brutal, full with hatred, similar to a blood thirsty lunatic".

And while I don't buy into the Rapture, I understand how they see it. Think of it as a big meal: you're offered an invite, but refuse it, and then complain that it's the host's fault you're hungry. You chose to stay out, even after the host told you you'd go hungry if you did.

Like I said, I don't buy into it, but for believers there is an aspect of personal choice in refusing Heaven that tends to get overlooked.

[–] TheBigHarsh 10 years ago

How you comparing refusing the invite to eat with refusing to believe in irrational idea as religion?, at least if someone refused to eat he will die by his own choice but if refused to believe he will die because the other side didn't accept his choice, there is big different between the two situations.
Yes, Jesus was like Jason Voorhees killing teenagers and innocent people for revenge and hates inside of him.

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[–] sbabb-511-510139 10 years ago

There's no difference to those who believe: both are matters of life and death. One's just more eternal than the other. You could even take it a step further: those who want to be with God forever will get to, and those who don't want to be are extinguished (the idea of an eternity in Hell can be traced to Dante, and not the Bible) since God is everything.

Like I said, I don't buy into it, but that's because of the problems I have with a "Loving Christian God" sending everyone who died before Christ's birth to Hell for the sin of living at the wrong time.

And I still think you're confusing the Rapture as presented in the movie with the Rapture most people envision with Jesus. Put another way: cite a Biblical passage where Jesus kills out of vengeance and hate. And no, the Infancy Gospel of Thomas doesn't count (if we're considering that to be legit, we may as well consider Kazantzakis' "Last Temptation of Christ" to be a valid theological primary source as well).

[–] vrbrowning18 10 years ago

Hey. You make some good points; thanks for standing up for Jesus. However, I feel I have to point out that your point about people going to hell before Christ was born is inaccurate according to the Scriptures. Although people living before the New Testament may not have known much about heaven or hell, it is evident that believers still went to heaven before that time. In the New Testament, Jesus talks to Elijah and Moses on a mountaintop while praying. Their appearance thousands of years after their deaths indicate that they must have been in heaven.

There are also several indications, specifically Romans 4:3, Genesis 15:6, and others, say that Old Testaments figures believed in God, and "it was counted to him as righteousness." Psalm 32 also indicates that those whose sins were forgiven were blessed, which indicates God could forgive people before Jesus.

While no one could be saved ever without the death of Christ, His death was a sacrifice for people who lived both before and after Him, so long as they had faith in the only living God.

If you have any questions, comments, concerns, or arguments, I'd love to talk to you more about it.

[–] sbabb-511-510139 10 years ago

Fair enough, but they're so exceptional they're (usually) listed by name (even the Penitent Thief was later given different names).

Meanwhile you've got Native Americans pre-Columbus, being born and dying, never hearing any mention of Christ (although the LDS believe He visited the Americas after His ressurection). And Australian Aborigines, Native Africans, Native Europeans, Asians, etc. etc., all going through untold generations without any exposure to Judaism or (especially) Christianity. Meanwhile, I've known enough hard-core fundamentalists whose attitudes can basically be summed up as "sucks to be them", citing John 14:6 as all the evidence they need.

Like I said though, I don't buy it. Jesus' acknowledges He doesn't know everything (Matthew 24:36, Matthew 26:39, and arguably* Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34, Mark 11:13**), which implies that it is possible for him to be wrong. And personally, I'd rather Jesus either be wrong (or speaking in parable) than for God to be that exclusive.

(*it's religion. People have argued, in good faith, over every single point we could imagine since the founding of the religion. Any religion!)
(**I always liked this passage. Basically you have a guy, followed around by 12 idiots shouting "Rabbi, Rabbi" like a kid asking questions, knowing that they're all going to betray him in one way or another, right before he gets tortured to death. And off in the distance he sees a fig tree, and likely thinks "I sure could go for a fig right now. It wouldn't solve anything, but it sure would be nice." So he goes over, looks, and... nothing. "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." Maybe it's a symbolic gesture in reference to some passage in some OT book, but personally I just think it's a moment of frustration and disappointment and anger. "Stupid &*(^ing fig tree! Fine! I hope you never fruit again!" It's petty, and little, and oh so human. And for me, that makes it easier to relate to Jesus. But I admit other people will see it -very- differently, and gain something else that they need.)

[–] vrbrowning18 10 years ago

Hey.

Hmm, I don't think that all of the "saved" people who lived before Christ are mentioned in the Bible, just the relevant ones. The Bible does tend to focus on Israeli history, Christ, and the apostles. As one of my college professors said, it doesn't show the point of view of anybody else.

In that light, the Bible doesn't say specifically how God dealt with people who were not touched by the ministry of the apostles. However, from what the Bible does say, I can pretty much guarantee God's attitude wasn't/isn't "sucks to be them."

The Bible does say, in Acts 17: 26-28- "And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also His offspring.'"

Paul is preaching in Athens about Jesus, after discovering an inscription on an altar "to the unknown God;" (he says the unknown god is Jesus). Basically, all people are born from Adam, and God has determined their place in the world. "Though He is not far from each one of us" is a common theme in the Bible, where God promises to answer all those who truly seek Him. If you truly seek the Father, you will find the Son (John 6:43-46). Although we can't know what happened between God and any of the tribes you mentioned, I am sure God was no farther from them then He was from anyone else, and He desired for them to come to Him, as He desires for the rest of His children. God is never exclusive in the Bible, though He does choose the Israelites to be the ones to spread His message to the world. (There are non-Israelites in the OT who are believers as well).

On Jesus being wrong or not knowing something, we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think those verses necessarily meant Jesus didn't know everything,* and not knowing something wouldn't imply that He could be wrong about something to me. Because for Him to be wrong in what He said in John 14:6 would mean Jesus was a liar.

(The meaning of the first verse has been debated, but I found people who said Jesus didn't know the answer while on Earth as a human. Even if that's true, that's different from saying basically, "I am the only way to heaven," and then that being wrong. The idea that Jesus was wrong about the above teaching would imply to me that His entire ministry was a lie, because His resurrection and our subsequent salvation through belief in Him is a huge component of the NT. Another interpretation is that Jesus knew, but it wasn't His place, as the Son, to share. The link below is a possible explanation of that idea.

/bible.org/question/does-jesus-now-know-when-he-coming-back-or-still-o nly-gods-knowledge-stated-matt-2436-and-m

I tend to believe the second explanation, because it emphasizes His divinity and role with the Father.)

[–] Rygn1 10 years ago

First, thanks for reading my comments...if you choose to.
Second, thanks for keeping this discussion civil.
Third, I just want to add that for those that had no knowledge of Jesus before or after his resurrection still had an opportunity of righteousness/salvation just like those in the Old Testament times. The same way Abraham sat down with God in his tent, then Jacob wrestled with Him, Moses saw his backside, Joshua saw Him as a warrior...God can meet anyone, anywhere and give them the Good News. Everyone on the whole planet that hadn't read the Torah or heard about Jesus still met God if they wanted to, wherever they lived on God's Big Green Earth!
If God cannot meet us where we are, than is He really GOD?

Today we have the Holy Bible, Churches, Evangelists, Christian Broadcasting, Christian Websites, Christian Facebook Pages, your saved friends and relatives, neighbors, etc. And if you are thinking about those natives somewhere on this planet where a Christian missionary has not made it to yet they may have already met God, His way.
So that is to say, if you want to be a missionary preaching the salvation of Jesus do it, that is a Christians Purpose in life. But if on your way to somewhere no Christian has ever been and you don't make it...God will send someone or some-heavenly-one else.
Case in point, I never invited a classmate nor a neighbor to church, and wouldn't you guess it, someone else did. Now my classmate and my neighbor are saved. I am lazy and God never fails.

When your life ends where is your soul going?

Thanks again for reading my comments, if you chose to.
God Bless You All. ><>

[–] vrbrowning18 10 years ago

Thanks for this. I had to look up the answer to his question, so I wasn't sure I was hitting all the right beats. And you simplified the issue alot, so thanks for that. Now I understand it better.

God bless you.

[–] vrbrowning18 10 years ago

You say "Jesus was," are you talking about in the movie or in terms of religion? This movie was not very accurate, although, yes, Revelations does include a lot of death and misery. But Jesus in the Bible, during the time when He actually lived, is not bloodthirsty or brutal or filled with hatred. He often expresses love for humanity. The ultimate expression of this is through His death on the Cross, where Jesus died for all of humanity, to save them of their sins. "But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us," (Romans 5:8. His death is certainly not one of a hate-filled lunatic.

[–] LenaAFoster 10 years ago

You keep calling Jesus a blood thirsty lunatic who KILLS people because they don't believe...but, i hate to break it to you, and I realize you know this already, but there is ONLY one way off of this planet, and that is through death.

Everything in flesh dies..the choice is between eternal life in God or eternal death after your flesh dies. This movie was actually very accurate as to Revelation 9:13-21 where God unleashes 200,000,000 demons upon the Earth to torment those who are "remaining" after the rapture. Although condensed. For instance the demons are supposed to torment for 5 months...

Revelation 9:13-21

13 The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the four horns of the golden altar that is before God.

14 It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.”

15 And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind.

16 The number of the mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand. I heard their number.

17 The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur.

18 A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths.

19 The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury.

20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.

21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.

The horror comes from the demons yet, unlike other horror movies, God is in control, this is prophecy and it WILL play out one day on Earth. In our lifetime or at some unknown future date. The Bible promises and prophesizes End Times. It is NOT about STOPPING it. It will play out. But...in the end.... We are all given a choice.

But what was so beautiful about the movie was that the demons were removing the Word of God from the planet. They ONLY attacked after the people made a commitment to God. Why do that? Well, they were moving towards the Bridge. While the Bible says Jesus is the Bridge and we can get to Heaven through him, that bridge at the end was leading to the new establishment and the MARK of the BEAST.

The demons in Revelation are there to assist God in waking up souls and herding his sheep and after they are REMOVED from the Earth they will not be forced to choose to take the mark of the beast. In Revelation, the demons killed 1/3 of mankind. That's AWESOME! That's 1/3 for God...0 for Apollyon/Satan/Dragon who is making his LAST STAND on the Earth... 1/3 being killed means they were tormented and CHOSE God. It says so right there in 9:20...the rest were not killed as they didn't repent and onward they went towards damnation with the anti Christ...

To some it seems harsh and cruel, but to believers, the real life is the life with God after our flesh dies. That is the goal line here... that's what the movie was portraying.

And even the trumpets sounding and plague waves and bowls pouring out during end times where people are dying during the Apocalypse. To some it seems like God is killing good people. That is EXACTLY right. God is taking the good people of the Earth off of the Earth in waves (bringing them to Heaven with him) as they gradually wake up and commit to him meanwhile undermining the power of the Lord of the Earth (Satan) who as time moves on during the Apocalypse gradually loses steam and by the end God hurls him into the Lake of Fire binding him forever, etc. So, God can raise his dead on Earth to live in paradise in the Second Earth.

God is not cruel. God is loving...

Galena

*Free speech opinion w/ pseudonym internet moniker w/o malice for debate and discussion🌈

[–] bgonzales-1 10 years ago

Yeah, it could be seen as a terrorism film, but for me is more a christian fundamentalism peace of buls&%t

[–] ilon 10 years ago

Religion is not terrorism. It's a metaphore. Then... there's crazy people.

[–] cmtlshem15 9 years ago

This is a movie, and it represents a (mostly) biblically founded view of the end times. How does that equate with terrorism?? Movies are an art form that you can fully ignore if you so choose. Did someone strap you to a chair and hold a gun to your head when you watched the film? Because that's the only thing that would qualify as a terroristic action. Otherwise, you're just overreacting.