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Who takes a bath in a nightgown?


It's not like he hasn't seen you naked in the tub before, Lola. That was just weird.

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Someone who knows they are now on a 8pm show that is in a more family friendly hour of television.

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Are we really so puritanical these days that even a woman's bare shoulders in a bathtub can't be viewed?

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She's just being a flirt. She's not trying to actually sleep with him.

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I disagree because she said "Tonight I am yours." Honestly I'm surprised that she is willing to be with him sexually but not in any meaningful way.... I felt her reasoning was weak -- Cathrine already knows she's dear to his heart regardless of whether or not they become an item or are wed.

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Warning - SPOILERS - Lola/Narcisse S3, ep. 1


@escribo86:

I think Lola has deep feelings for Narcisse but she is still a little unsure about him, because he can be ruthless sometimes and because he has been a player where women and ambitions are concerned. The bathtub scene is for her to find some short-term happiness with Narcisse, knowing their relationship can go no further than simply that and to protect her heart from being hurt in case things don't work out between them. With Francis objecting to their courtship, it is even easier for Lola to consider the clandestine route.

But it is evident to us viewers from the season premiere that Narcisse is fully committed to Lola, even indirectly proposing marriage (RE: the bathtub scene). He wants all of her, or nothing. His self control showed how much he cares for her. I love this scene (and Narcisse) so much, the slowburn's ok, because this couple is definitely happening this season. The main obstacle to their relationship is Francis who knows Lola loves Narcisse but forbids her to pursue her feelings. Maybe Narcisse will do something heroic and Francis relents and sanctions their relationship, or fans will have to wait a little longer (we know Francis will 'what' later this season, right - so that obstacle will be removed eventually).

As for Catherine, I can understand Lola's apprehension. Her wrath might be EVEN worse if she sees both L & N together as a couple. If they make a concession and go no further in their relationship, Catherine might be more "forgiving".

I find the 2 Lola/Narcisse scenes (3 if we count the scene of Lola talking to Francis about Narcisse) so... precious. What a perfect and beautiful couple. Truly Narcisse is the main reason I tune in to the show now.

"What time is sunrise?"
"When I open this door."

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He is truly the reason why I watch the show now as well, lol. I love the slight smiles as he spoke to her. I feel like he went from playful and confident to unsure and hurt to now knowing and patient. Quite the character development!!! lol

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Their main obstacle is Francis and we know they'll overcome that one soon enough. When Francis is dead, the country/court will go into turmoil. Some will back Charles, some will back Mary, either pregnant or with a newborn - some will challenge the paternity of that child; and some will back John, even though he's illegitimate in order to advance their own agenda. Lola and John will be in danger and she'll marry Narcisse for protection.

Depending on what happens with Catherine, Catherine will push for Charles to be King and will want Lola and John gone - I say she'll give her blessing just to get John out of sight.

Or maybe when Francis is on his deathbed, he gives his blessing for Lola & Narcisse to marry.

Security is an illusion. Life is either a daring adventure or it is nothing at all. Helen Keller

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Or maybe when Francis is on his deathbed, he gives his blessing for Lola & Narcisse to marry.


I would be happy if Francis gives his blessing finally. And if there is to be one wedding scene this season, then please let it be Lola and Narcisse's!

"What time is sunrise?"
"When I open this door."

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Or maybe when Francis is on his deathbed, he gives his blessing for Lola & Narcisse to marry.


Francis will never do that, but (Episode 2 spoiler) the conversation Mary had with Lola in the garden in episode 2 indicates to me that Mary has basically given her blessing and told Lola to follow her heart because it's only a matter of time before Francis will no longer be there to stop her and Narcisse from being together. Now while I was disappointed in Narcisse's manipulation with the rat and the note, his words afterwards kind of redeemed him for me - that now that he's got her, he needs focus on deserving her.

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"Tonight I am yours." doesn't have to mean sex aka: going all the way. Considering the time period, I would hope she'd be a little prudish which is how I interpreted her wearing clothing in the tub.

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Literally the most <beeped> up, ridiculous thing to have her wear a nightgown in the bath; when she was there to sleep with him. Some sort of prudish wet t-shirt contest, Reign style I guess. I get that a clingy wet white gown could be a turn on - if you're not in the bath.

Security is an illusion. Life is either a daring adventure or it is nothing at all. Helen Keller

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It's periodically accurate. It was unknown who would walk in on you and in that day and age they were highly puritanical. A wrist or ankle flashing was about as scandalous as hiking up your skirts and showing your genitals. It was very common for women of money (and those with none) to bathe in their shifts or nightgowns. First, you have no idea who might walk in. Two, it was for modesty, not only for the woman in question but for her ladies. Three, it was considered ungodly to go about in the buff. Think of it as Jews wearing headcoverings in church, same for women who wear hijab. It was modesty. It had sh*t to do with the show. This thing is a steaming pile of crap that pretty much goes and buys modern clothes off a rack, tosses a bit of stuff willy nilly on it and calls it "period". I find it laughable that they chose to make THIS accurate.

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Literally, just the idea of sitting in water while wearing what was most likely a floor-length nightgown makes me squirm. It would be highly annoying and uncomfortable to just sit around - clothed - in a tub, waiting for who knows how long until Narcisse shows up... I don't know. I hate it when just my jeans get damp in the rain. Maybe I'm weird, but that scene really made me cringe.

Like you said, he's seen the goods before! It was super weird to hold some pretense of modesty when the nightgown was probably see-through anyhow, and he knows what you look like naked. So weird.

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Like you said, he's seen the goods before! It was super weird to hold some pretense of modesty when the nightgown was probably see-through anyhow, and he knows what you look like naked. So weird.
Especially when you consider they opened the show with naked Francis & Mary...so IDK why they got all prudish 30+ minutes later. 

I'm just gonna chalk it up to a bad judgement call.

Security is an illusion. Life is either a daring adventure or it is nothing at all. Helen Keller

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Agreed. This show has never been one to shy away from showing some skin, and the new time slot definitely did not affect that Mary/Francis scene.

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Like you said, he's seen the goods before!


Has Narcisse really seen Lola's "goods" before? I thought last season in the bathtub scene, although she was clearly naked, he only saw her low cleavage (and I don't recall him stealing a peak into the water)?

As for the drawing he did, I thought it was based more on his imagination (though it was quite accurately drawn, to Lola's double embarassment). The mole referred, IIRC was near her cleavage, which he has seen from bathtub scene.

"What time is sunrise?"
"When I open this door."

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It was my impression that Narcisse got a pretty full view of Lola in the first tub scene which is why the drawing was so accurate. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember it as ' stealing a peak into the water' but rather that he could just have an easy view from where he was..?

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It was my impression that Narcisse got a pretty full view of Lola in the first tub scene which is why the drawing was so accurate.


You could be right. RE the bathtub scene in last season, I simply thought that what the viewers did not get to see (of Lola's body), Narcisse did not get to either, LOL!

But really, Narcisse is a wonderfully surprising character. His patience and self control (where Lola is concerned) is amazing! I mean, now that he has seen the goods...

"What time is sunrise?"
"When I open this door."

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Oh yeah, Narcisse gets better all the time! The fact that he's intent on winning her over for the full package speaks volumes as to how much he really cares for her. Past behavior indicates that he's not one to usually value decorum and patience, but clearly he sees her as worthy of so much more than an affair. It's so sweet :) They're my faves at this point! I did love Bash and Kenna, but alas, good things never last on Reign.

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Oftentimes because women were served by ladies and maids in waiting, they bathed wearing something for privacy's sake. You'll see the same thing in Elizabeth I: The Golden Age, with Queen Elizabeth in the bath.

Reign has never been historically accurate before, so it made me laugh that they'd choose THAT to highlight this time.

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People didn't actually bathe in that period, because it was thought that bathing would open one's pores and let "bad air" into the body. It was medicinally advised to only wash the parts of the body visible in public. The switch from primarily woolen clothing to washable linen clothing meant that the wealthy changed their clothes a lot and had them washed, rather than bathing.

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Women of money did, and it's also highly inaccurate that they didn't bathe. This is after the Plague, and it was quite common and is a misconception that they didn't. It also depended on where they lived, however, the richer you were the more you could afford it. They didn't bathe every day, but every once and a while they did.

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Reign has never been historically accurate before, so it made me laugh that they'd choose THAT to highlight this time.
Right?!

I just finished an episode of the miniseries, "John Adams" earlier this a.m. and one of the scenes depicted a french woman wearing a shift while in the tub. She was in the tub playing chess with Benjamin Franklin. So I guess there's a precedent there.

Security is an illusion. Life is either a daring adventure or it is nothing at all. Helen Keller

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Thank god someone said it- i was about to answer with - 16th century royals- that's who- lol completely commonplace. Marie Antoinette did it etc etc and any other royals who bothered to fully immerse themselves in water - well except Diane de Poitier in real life she was a water goddess and regularly submerged herself int he river naked despite the beliefs back then that it was dangerous (lol). Honestly Diane and Henri's love story was the interesting one- wish they had made that into a show. Their story is flat incredible but the show ignored pretty much everything we know about her- right down to the fact that she never really left behind her widows weeds. She was a master at knowing what suited her and black and white became her signature- so much so that Henri adopted them as his own colors. He used to sign things HenriDiane and she was able to sign important state papers. Their entwined initials decorated every building and Henri was in her thrall from the time he was 15 till his death despite her being ....about 20 years his senior- so she was 50 and still had him on his knees. When Catherine de Medici didn't conceive for so many years it was Diane that would get Henri all hot and bothered then deny him and send him to Catherine when the time of the month was right (or so the story goes). When Henri died Catherine was regent and destroyed every memory of her- didn't allow her to see him at his death bed though he wept for her and took the beautiful chateau Chenanceau (oh I'm not looking up the spelling sorry). Still Diane was such a prudent business woman that she had herself well placed and was able to live out her days peacefully at her family home which was a beauty of black and white. Anyhow they didn't do her character any favors- I have always disliked Catherine but she is much more likable here than in the books I have read.

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I have always disliked Catherine but she is much more likable here than in the books I have read.

I don't know where you're from, but I'm in Canada, and for me, Megan Follows is fascinating to watch, and, yeah, maybe more likeable, because I see her 'Catherine de Medici' laid over the good wholesome image she portrayed for ages as 'Anne of Green Gables'. It's like she's Anne who wasn't adopted by nice people, and had a really horrible childhood where she had to learn to look after herself, 'cause no-one else would.

(Catherine's childhood was nothing you'd wish on an enemy. And she was married off to Henry at fourteen and left Italy for France.)Very similar to Mary's story, but Catherine turned out so very differently. Catherine would have held Scotland, and then we would have had years of her sparring with Elizabeth over England. That would be one heck of a show. Ah, well. Never happened.


Neither Catherine, Henry nor Diane (nor Mary of Guise, come to that) are particularly 'likeable', but they're all sooo much more interesting than their offspring. I'd love to see some sort of spin-off with the three grownups, not as teenagers (God forbid-more of the same nonsense), but as scheming adults, trying to get and hang onto power. Maybe on Netflix, or whoever does the scheming Kevin Spacey political thing.

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Bathing in a gown is more a Victorian thing than a Renaissance thing.

Victorians much more sexually repressed. They actually put "pantlegs" on the legs of pianos and tables.

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The bathing gown is actually historically accurate. I'm surprised they made her wear it, since everyone in the show dresses in prom gowns from Forever XXI.

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XD I am glad I'm not the only one who noticed. This show is terrible. Not only because it's one gigantic joke, but the costumes are worse (well at least for the women. They totally manage to get the mens costumes almost correct and then it's like "Let's dress you up like a 2016 tart and call you period!" I turned it off the moment the chick started pleasuring herself in the hall watching people have sex. I was just like "Nope."

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As *beep* as the costumes are in this *beep* of a show, they at least did that right. It was VERY common to bathe in "nightgowns" or your shift. That's just how things happened.

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There was very little of what we would think of as 'privacy' in those days. The poor lived in small huts, and the rich, in their big houses and palaces? Servants, attendants and courtiers, everywhere. It was a sign of how rich and powerful you were. Most shows don't show the sea of maids and cleaners and men moving stuff around, that would fill those big buildings.

Look at Downton Abbey - a cook, a kitchen maid, couple of ladies maids, a couple of footmen and a butler? That's nothing, not for a big house like that. No mention of the housemaids required to clean the place, the laundresses to wash the fancy clothes and all the bedding and linen. The 'family' would be outnumbered by the staff by several to one.

Even when taking a bath, how did the hot water get there, and who added more at intervals? Yep, a stream of attendants with buckets. Adding water, testing the warmth, 'Want another towel?' 'Hair rinsed?' 'Love letter delivered to the boyfriend?' If you're being paid to serve, it pays to be visibly useful.

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