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Ways an average 21st century guy could influence the ancient past


Since we know that Jason comes from the 21st-century, and we can assume he has no specialized knowledge beyond what any John Doe would know today, how could he have used what knowledge he did have to influence the ancient past? For the purposes of this thread, let's assume that Jason doesn't need to actually build or create the ideas himself. I'll start us off:

- Persuade people about the criticality of basic sanitation (such as putting latrines far from your water source, not throwing waste into the street, and washing your hands often).
- Telling military strategist about siege towers and how they can be useful to breach the walls of a fortified city.
- Using feathers to create softer mattresses and warmer clothes.

What ideas do you have?

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I think that in some ways, using 21st century knowledge could prove a lot more difficult in fact than in theory. How would he persuade people to use modern sanitation? He is - at least theoretically - a poor, unskilled "nobody". He isn't a priest or medical practitioner, so he wouldn't have much authority. I think it would be far more likely the locals would look at him as if he were completely mad. They wouldn't know anything about germs, bacteria, infection (despite bantering that term about lately...) In fact, trying to explain such things might even get him killed.

In other ways, I agree - after the first few episodes, the writers seem to have utterly forgotten that Jason came from the 21st century, and I wish they would rectify that. I wouldn't expect him to make huge changes to life in Atlantis, but here and there he could definitely slip in a reference or two!



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My thing is it seemed like Jason was going to be a smart guy. You need to have some understanding of the ways of science if you're going down in that mini sub. But yeah they never did anything with that future plot. They would have been better off having it all in the past. I'm thinking they had an idea for a pitch but that's not what they wanted to do.

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I thought he lost his memory because he didn't seem to do anything or react the way a 21st centruy person would in that era. At his age of education even getting thru primary or high school he would be smarter than probably 2 thirds of the people in Atlantis and probably not as religious as the rest.

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I don't think he's outright lost his memory. He shows signs of knowing common Greek Mythology and recognising names every now and then.

However as he's actually a native to Atlantis, I think he's just completely adjusted and forsaken all is previous knowledge (I mean if your in a world of magic and monsters ruled by the gods, can you be sure the scientific principals you were brought up on are still true?)

At his age of education even getting thru primary or high school he would be smarter than probably 2 thirds of the people in Atlantis and probably not as religious as the rest.


I wouldn't say smarter, sure he can read and write while most of them can't (though I doubt he knows ancient Greek) but People back then weren't stupid they just didn't have the educational facilities. So he would be more knowledgeable (not that a lot of its going to be that helpful to him in his situation).

As for religion, in Atlantis's world its not so much a belief, as actual facts. Jason's seen first hand that the Gods are real in this world, so excepting them is probably for the best.

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No, I don't agree. Jason is definitely smarter for the simple fact that he knows so many things that took eons to discover one by one. It is inconceivable how this hasn't been worked into the story line.

For example, think about the Pythagorean theorem in Geometry. Everyone knows that well by year 10 of school, but it was Pythagoras's life work. I fully expected that they were going to have Jason blurt out to Pythagoras working over his triangles, "No, you see Pythagoras, the square of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides when you're working with a right triangle."

Another example, while my own degrees are in business and languages with no advanced studies in science, I still know how electricity works, how to generate it with just some wire and magnets, and how to make real batteries that can be charged as well as batteries using lemons or potatoes. I've known all this since grade 6 or 7. Based on the jewelry we've seen on the show, wire is obviously available or at least doable, as are magnets and the simple acidic ingredients needed to make a battery.

As a very lay person, I also have a complete understanding of how a light bulb works. What took centuries leading up to Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla and these geniuses themselves years to figure out, I learned one afternoon when I was only 13 years-old. A light bulb requires an electrical wire to go from the battery I just invented up to a carbon fiber in a vacuum tube so that it doesn't burn when the electricity passes through it. We have seen clear glass in the show. The carbon fiber that Thomas Edison used was merely a cloth thread. The vacuum tube is made by using honey or beeswax or some other like viscous material to seal the edges, then the first burst of electricity is sent through a secondary filament in order to burn up whatever oxygen was inside the jar when you sealed it, then when that's done, you switch the electricity to the primary filament, which then glows without actually every catching on fire and burning.

Șoala, a guy who didn't take any science class after year 9 just invented both electricity and the light bulb.

Jason knows how to drive a small submarine! Also, he wouldn't need "credentials" in his time frame. His ability to invent things from just his modern knowledge of science would be all the proof he needs. What are they going to do, check the internet to see if he went to an acredited school. His trusted friend Pythagoras becomes a genius of what will become Euclidean geometry, it's not like he has sheep skin diplomas hanging off his wall.

I wholly agree with the person that posted this. It is just a bit ridiculous that Jason never seems to add or contribute anything from the modern world in the way of anything, not even to save his skin. Penicillin comes from bread mold for crying out loud! Even if he didn't invent penicillin for the world, if he only invented it for himself and his friends, why wouldn't he? Pasteurization, sterilization techniques, basic first aid, he doesn't employ any faint notion of any of these things. It's just too odd. Even if he were to have abandoned his modern ways for this new world, he couldn't abandon everything he learned his whole life, all truth and all common sense. Even if he wasn't sure that the same laws held true, wouldn't he at least try some of these things. They don't even show that.

It's almost as if the first episode didn't actually happen, save for the fact that he seems to recognize everyone's name from Greek myth, while simultaneously seeming to have no idea what any of them did or how any of their stories turned out. I mean, really, he should have seen that whole Medusa mess coming a mile a way. HER NAME WAS MEDUSA!!!! Who doesn't know Medusa is snake head lady that turns people into stone? Everybody knows that. So, why did Jason not seem to struggle or do anything to prevent her fate when he knew her well before all that happened to her? Ugh.

Carl Grimes will one day rule the world!

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No, I don't agree. Jason is definitely smarter for the simple fact that he knows so many things that took eons to discover one by one. It is inconceivable how this hasn't been worked into the story line.

For example, think about the Pythagorean theorem in Geometry. Everyone knows that well by year 10 of school, but it was Pythagoras's life work. I fully expected that they were going to have Jason blurt out to Pythagoras working over his triangles, "No, you see Pythagoras, the square of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides when you're working with a right triangle." Pythagoras would have been floored, then that would be some kind of inside joke with the show about how Pythagoras really came up with his now famous theorem. This, I feel, was a totally missed opportunity at humor by the writers of the show.

Another example, while my own degrees are in business and languages with no advanced studies in science, I still know how electricity works, how to generate it with just some wire and magnets, and how to make real batteries that can be charged as well as batteries using lemons or potatoes. I've known all this since grade 6 or 7. Based on the jewelry we've seen on the show, wire is obviously available or at least doable, as are magnets and the simple acidic ingredients needed to make a battery.

As a very lay person, I also have a complete understanding of how a light bulb works. What took centuries leading up to Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla and these geniuses themselves years to figure out, I learned one afternoon when I was only 13 years-old. A light bulb requires an electrical wire to go from the battery I just invented up to a carbon fiber in a vacuum tube so that it doesn't burn when the electricity passes through it. We have seen clear glass in the show. The carbon fiber that Thomas Edison used was merely a cloth thread. The vacuum tube is made by using honey or beeswax or some other like viscous material to seal the edges, then the first burst of electricity is sent through a secondary filament in order to burn up whatever oxygen was inside the jar when you sealed it, then when that's done, you switch the electricity to the primary filament, which then glows without actually every catching on fire and burning.

Șoala, a guy who didn't take any science class after year 9 just invented both electricity and the light bulb.

Jason knows how to drive a small submarine! Also, he wouldn't need "credentials" in his time frame. His ability to invent things from just his modern knowledge of science would be all the proof he needs. What are they going to do, check the internet to see if he went to an acredited school. His trusted friend Pythagoras becomes a genius of what will become Euclidean geometry, it's not like he has sheep skin diplomas hanging off his wall.

I wholly agree with the person that posted this. It is just a bit ridiculous that Jason never seems to add or contribute anything from the modern world in the way of anything, not even to save his skin. Penicillin comes from bread mold for crying out loud! Even if he didn't invent penicillin for the world, if he only invented it for himself and his friends, why wouldn't he? Pasteurization, sterilization techniques, basic first aid, he doesn't employ any faint notion of any of these things. It's just too odd. Even if he were to have abandoned his modern ways for this new world, he couldn't abandon everything he learned his whole life, all truth and all common sense. Even if he wasn't sure that the same laws held true, wouldn't he at least try some of these things. They don't even show that.

It's almost as if the first episode didn't actually happen, save for the fact that he seems to recognize everyone's name from Greek myth, while simultaneously seeming to have no idea what any of them did or how any of their stories turned out. I mean, really, he should have seen that whole Medusa mess coming a mile a way. HER NAME WAS MEDUSA!!!! Who doesn't know Medusa is snake head lady that turns people into stone? Everybody knows that. So, why did Jason not seem to struggle or do anything to prevent her fate when he knew her well before all that happened to her? Ugh.

Carl Grimes will one day rule the world!

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No, I don't agree. Jason is definitely smarter for the simple fact that he knows so many things that took eons to discover one by one. It is inconceivable how this hasn't been worked into the story line.

For example, think about the Pythagorean theorem in Geometry. Everyone knows that well by year 10 of school, but it was Pythagoras's life work. I fully expected that they were going to have Jason blurt out to Pythagoras working over his triangles, "No, you see Pythagoras, the square of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides when you're working with a right triangle." Pythagoras would have of course would have instantly seen the truth of it and be shocked and amazed at Jason and it would have ended up as some kind of inside joke with the show about how Pythagoras really came up with his now famous theorem. This, I feel, was a totally missed opportunity at humor by the writers.

Another example, while my own degrees are in business and languages with no advanced studies in science, I still know how electricity works, how to generate it with just some wire and magnets, and how to make real batteries that can be charged as well as batteries using lemons or potatoes. I've known all this since grade 6 or 7. Based on the jewelry we've seen on the show, wire is obviously available or at least doable, as are magnets and the simple acidic ingredients needed to make a battery.

As a very lay person, I also have a complete understanding of how a light bulb works. What took centuries leading up to Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla and these geniuses themselves years to figure out, I learned one afternoon when I was only 13 years-old. A light bulb requires an electrical wire to go from the battery I just invented up to a carbon fiber in a vacuum tube so that it doesn't burn when the electricity passes through it. We have seen clear glass in the show. The carbon fiber that Thomas Edison used was merely a cloth thread. The vacuum tube is made by using honey or beeswax or some other like viscous material to seal the edges, then the first burst of electricity is sent through a secondary filament in order to burn up whatever oxygen was inside the jar when you sealed it, then when that's done, you switch the electricity to the primary filament, which then glows without actually every catching on fire and burning.

Șoala, a guy who didn't take any science class after year 9 just invented both electricity and the light bulb.

Jason knows how to drive a small submarine! Also, he wouldn't need "credentials" in his time frame. His ability to invent things from just his modern knowledge of science would be all the proof he needs. What are they going to do, check the internet to see if he went to an acredited school. His trusted friend Pythagoras becomes a genius of what will become Euclidean geometry, it's not like he has sheep skin diplomas hanging off his wall.

I wholly agree with the person that posted this. It is just a bit ridiculous that Jason never seems to add or contribute anything from the modern world in the way of anything, not even to save his skin. Penicillin comes from bread mold for crying out loud! Even if he didn't invent penicillin for the world, if he only invented it for himself and his friends, why wouldn't he? Pasteurization, sterilization techniques, basic first aid, he doesn't employ any faint notion of any of these things. It's just too odd. Even if he were to have abandoned his modern ways for this new world, he couldn't abandon everything he learned his whole life, all truth and all common sense. Even if he wasn't sure that the same laws held true, wouldn't he at least try some of these things. They don't even show that.

It's almost as if the first episode didn't actually happen, save for the fact that he seems to recognize everyone's name from Greek myth, while simultaneously seeming to have no idea what any of them did or how any of their stories turned out. I mean, really, he should have seen that whole Medusa mess coming a mile a way. HER NAME WAS MEDUSA!!!! Who doesn't know Medusa is snake head lady that turns people into stone? Everybody knows that. So, why did Jason not seem to struggle or do anything to prevent her fate when he knew her well before all that happened to her? Ugh.

Carl Grimes will one day rule the world!

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No, I don't agree. Jason is definitely smarter for the simple fact that he knows so many things that took eons to discover one by one. It is inconceivable how this hasn't been worked into the story line.

For example, think about the Pythagorean theorem in Geometry. Everyone knows that well by year 10 of school, but it was Pythagoras's life work. I fully expected that they were going to have Jason blurt out to Pythagoras working over his triangles, "No, you see Pythagoras, the square of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides when you're working with a right triangle." Pythagoras, of course, would have instantly seen the truth of it and been shocked and amazed at Jason. It then would have ended up as an inside joke of the show about how Pythagoras truly came up with his now famous theorem. This, I feel, was a totally missed opportunity at humor by the writers.

Another example, while my own degrees are in business and languages with no advanced studies in science, I still know how electricity works, how to generate it with just some wire and magnets, and how to make real batteries that can be charged as well as batteries using lemons or potatoes. I've known all this since grade 6 or 7. Based on the jewelry we've seen on the show, wire is obviously available or at least doable, as are magnets and the simple acidic ingredients needed to make a battery.

As a very lay person, I also have a complete understanding of how a light bulb works. What took centuries leading up to Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla and these geniuses themselves years to figure out, I learned one afternoon when I was only 13 years-old. A light bulb requires an electrical wire to go from the battery I just invented up to a carbon fiber in a vacuum tube so that it doesn't burn when the electricity passes through it. We have seen clear glass in the show. The carbon fiber that Thomas Edison used was merely a cloth thread. The vacuum tube is made by using honey or beeswax or some other like viscous material to seal the edges, then the first burst of electricity is sent through a secondary filament in order to burn up whatever oxygen was inside the jar when you sealed it, then when that's done, you switch the electricity to the primary filament, which then glows without actually every catching on fire and burning.

Șoala, a guy who didn't take any science class after year 9 just invented both electricity and the light bulb.

Jason knows how to drive a small submarine! Also, he wouldn't need "credentials" in his time frame. His ability to invent things from just his modern knowledge of science would be all the proof he needs. What are they going to do, check the internet to see if he went to an acredited school. His trusted friend Pythagoras becomes a genius of what will become Euclidean geometry, it's not like he has sheep skin diplomas hanging off his wall.

I wholly agree with the person that posted this. It is just a bit ridiculous that Jason never seems to add or contribute anything from the modern world in the way of anything, not even to save his skin. Penicillin comes from bread mold for crying out loud! Even if he didn't invent penicillin for the world, if he only invented it for himself and his friends, why wouldn't he? Pasteurization, sterilization techniques, basic first aid, he doesn't employ any faint notion of any of these things. It's just too odd. Even if he were to have abandoned his modern ways for this new world, he couldn't abandon everything he learned his whole life, all truth and all common sense. Even if he wasn't sure that the same laws held true, wouldn't he at least try some of these things. They don't even show that.

It's almost as if the first episode didn't actually happen, save for the fact that he seems to recognize everyone's name from Greek myth, while simultaneously seeming to have no idea what any of them did or how any of their stories turned out. I mean, really, he should have seen that whole Medusa mess coming a mile a way. HER NAME WAS MEDUSA!!!! Who doesn't know Medusa is snake head lady that turns people into stone? Everybody knows that. So, why did Jason not seem to struggle or do anything to prevent her fate when he knew her well before all that happened to her? Ugh.

Carl Grimes will one day rule the world!

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No, I don't agree. Jason is definitely smarter for the simple fact that he knows so many things that took eons to discover one by one. It is inconceivable how this hasn't been worked into the story line.

For example, think about the Pythagorean theorem in Geometry. Everyone knows the theorem well by year 10 of school, but it was Pythagoras's life work. I fully expected that they were going to have Jason blurt out to Pythagoras working over his triangles, "No, you see Pythagoras, the square of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides when you're working with a right triangle." Pythagoras, of course, would have instantly seen the truth of it and been shocked and amazed at Jason. It then would have ended up as an inside joke of the show about how Pythagoras truly came up with his now famous theorem. This, I feel, was a totally missed opportunity at humor by the writers.

Another example, while my own degrees are in business and languages with no advanced studies in science, I still know how electricity works, how to generate it with just some wire and magnets, and how to make real batteries that can be charged as well as batteries using lemons or potatoes. I've known all this since grade 6 or 7. Based on the jewelry we've seen on the show, wire is obviously available or at least doable, as are magnets and the simple acidic ingredients needed to make a battery.

As a very lay person, I also have a complete understanding of how a light bulb works. What took centuries leading up to Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla and these geniuses themselves years to figure out, I learned one afternoon when I was only 13 years-old. A light bulb requires an electrical wire to go from the battery I just invented up to a carbon fiber in a vacuum tube so that it doesn't burn when the electricity passes through it. We have seen clear glass in the show. The carbon fiber that Thomas Edison used was merely a cloth thread. The vacuum tube is made by using honey or beeswax or some other like viscous material to seal the edges, then the first burst of electricity is sent through a secondary filament in order to burn up whatever oxygen was inside the jar when you sealed it, then when that's done, you switch the electricity to the primary filament, which then glows without actually every catching on fire and burning.

Șoala, a guy who didn't take any science class after year 9 just invented both electricity and the light bulb.

Unlike me, Jason is actually versed in science and oceanography. Jason even knows how to drive a small submarine! Also, he wouldn't need "credentials" in his time frame. His ability to invent things from just his modern knowledge of science would be all the proof he needs. What are they going to do, check the internet to see if he went to an acredited school. His trusted friend Pythagoras becomes a genius of what will become Euclidean geometry, it's not like he has sheep skin diplomas hanging off his wall.

I wholly agree with the person that posted this. It is just a bit ridiculous that Jason never seems to add or contribute anything from the modern world in the way of anything, not even to save his skin. Penicillin comes from bread mold for crying out loud! Even if he didn't invent penicillin for the world, if he only invented it for himself and his friends, why wouldn't he? Pasteurization, sterilization techniques, basic first aid, he doesn't employ any faint notion of any of these things. It's just too odd. Even if he were to have abandoned his modern ways for this new world, he couldn't abandon everything he learned his whole life, all truth and all common sense. Even if he wasn't sure that the same laws held true, wouldn't he at least try some of these things. They don't even show that.

It's almost as if the first episode didn't actually happen, save for the fact that he seems to recognize everyone's name from Greek myth, while simultaneously seeming to have no idea what any of them did or how any of their stories turned out. I mean, really, he should have seen that whole Medusa mess coming a mile a way. HER NAME WAS MEDUSA!!!! Who doesn't know Medusa is snake head lady that turns people into stone? Everybody knows that. So, why did Jason not seem to struggle or do anything to prevent her fate when he knew her well before all that happened to her? Ugh.

Carl Grimes will one day rule the world!

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That's what I thought too! Otherwise why did he never mention it to his parents??

It's too cerebral! We're trying to make a movie here, not a film!

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