Uh wtf, this was a stupid set of scenes. The bridge didn't seem like it was much of a major entry point, it was maybe 20 to 40 feet high, let's say 200 just cause... it wasn't CROSSING anything, it was just a raised bridge over a forest.... *beep* WALK THROUGH THE FOREST.
35lbs of plastique wouldn't be going off and leaving many survivors on either side.... yeah it wasn't really there but still.
The ridiculous fkn pole to keep vehicles out..... that pos wouldn't have stopped a bicycle.
Why the one hour wait, it didn't DO anything for the plot, other then get Evies mother to the bridge, that's it. Not a single other item was accomplished in that 1 hour window.
All it took for the pedestrians to get across was one set of bolt cutters and a minor shove or two... then the park rangers collectively said fk it. For some reason I guess they'd never thought of this spectacular approach before......
The safest place Tommy could find was the fkn trailer on the bridge...WTF, why not just keep walking,this wasn't a riotous mob they were in, it was a bunch of fkn walking people... I've seen more energetic sloths on the move, and if they had continued, the Rangers would've let Nora in to town (not that they were keeping anyoe out at this point) because she had her magical upc code bracelet.
Until Meg, et al. showed up, people didn't want to
STORM THE BARRICADES. They wanted to be admitted, to assimilate, and to be accepted as
part of the town.
They were waiting because becoming part of the town was a process…AND people were willing to adhere to that process. They were willing to do it in an orderly fashion. We all know that the opposite of 'order' is 'chaos'.
For the most part, these were (prior to Meg) ordinary people looking to join something;
NOT destroy something,
NOT take over something. So, it wasn’t just a bridge, or just a fence that kept them out…it was also that they were civilized AND not criminals or hooligans out to grab whatever they could get.
These people “waiting outside the gates” were no different than the Garvey’s. But, it doesn’t take much to whip a mob-mentality into a group…as the Holocaust has so infamously shown us.
Lastly, by your logic, every time there is a crowd at any event, they should just
storm the gates if there aren’t sufficient barriers and/or security to prevent them.
"This moment was always looking for me."
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mason25
9 years ago
Clearly you've never seen what a MOB can get done. Look at the Nazis, that was a large mob, and they got stuff done. NOT saying it was right in any way, just making a statement.
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Trendrick
9 years ago
Clearly you've never seen what a MOB can get done. Look at the Nazis, that was a large mob, and they got stuff done. NOT saying it was right in any way, just making a statement.
My comment was about
'WHY' the people who were camped outside of 'Jarden'
had not pushed their way into the town earlier.
Wasn't that one of the points of your OP. That is, since the town was so easily breached...why hadn't the folks from the encampment done so
before Meg and her GR's showed? (Or did I misread your post?)
"This moment was always looking for me."
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mason25
9 years ago
It was both, there are lunatics in EVERY gathering of such a scale, and those lunatics would feel that using force would get the job done, then there are the rest of the masses who would probably go along with said lunatic, since it only takes one person to lead, and the rest of the sheeple will follow.
So there's no reasonable explanation on WHY they hadn't already stormed in and occupied said sanctuary.
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Trendrick
9 years ago
It was both, there are lunatics in EVERY gathering of such a scale, and those lunatics would feel that using force would get the job done, then there are the rest of the masses who would probably go along with said lunatic, since it only takes one person to lead, and the rest of the sheeple will follow.
So there's no reasonable explanation on WHY they hadn't already stormed in and occupied said sanctuary.
So, then, the question wouldn't be
WHY didn't they try to breach the town defenses earlier...the question would be
WHY didn't some
lunatic come forward to incite and lead them?
"This moment was always looking for me."
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mason25
9 years ago
You're trying to argue fkn semantics here, I DON'T GIVE A FK WHY ONE PERSON DIDN'T COME FORWARD.
I'm stating that they (any lunatic or group of lunatics {NRA anyone}) wouldn't have waited FOUR YEARS to go through the superb defenses. Have you seen many REASONABLE mobs? How about patient mobs?
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Trendrick
9 years ago
You're trying to argue fkn semantics here, I DON'T GIVE A FK WHY ONE PERSON DIDN'T COME FORWARD.
I'm stating that they (any lunatic or group of lunatics {NRA anyone}) wouldn't have waited FOUR YEARS to go through the superb defenses. Have you seen many REASONABLE mobs? How about patient mobs?
I'm not arguing semantics.
Truth is; you started with an unsupportable premise...
It is not a given that
JUST BECAUSE there is a large crowd
THERE MUST BE lunatics among them.
Maybe the answer is as simple as:
There were no lunatics. "This moment was always looking for me."
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SaliceMcD
8 years ago
I thought from the start that those in the encampment were a pretty unstable and nasty bunch. Stoning the naked guy in the stocks, for example, and enjoying it, with no one objecting, or shown being dismayed by it, that I noticed. Matt even says, after having been there for a while, that they aren't "all" degenerates, or something to that effect, which implies that this *is* how they were perceived - no?
I was confused all along by where this was meant to "go," sans Meg. At least one guy knew of a "way in" which he showed to Matt for a price - or did he know it wasn't one? I can't recall the details. I understand your point - that Meg manipulated them to their breaking point - but they never seemed to me the type of people who'd wait patiently and play by the rules - who'd need any outside influence to act as they ultimately did.
I can only imagine that the idea was to have Miracle/Jarden ruined by being overrun by savage cretins, but IMO it would have been more disturbing to have the place made unlivable by decent "God-fearing" folks who'd overwhelmed and crippled its resources and societal structure in their fervor to find a safe haven for their families rather than by hedonistic, destructive, rioting looters. Creepier, if you ask me! (Not that anyone did.)
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eclipsed-bythe-moon
8 years ago
This.
Those people were not just normal citizens waiting to get in. They were insane! Stoning a naked man. The woman asking Matt to paddle that guy and shout "Brian!" The woman stealing Nora's baby. They were not meant to be portrayed as regular joes waiting their turn.
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