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There was only one timeline


Jeez. It's really simple. No paradoxes, no alternate timelines, and dear god no changing photographs. None of that. What happened always happened. It had nothing to do with looking at the pictures and trying to emulate them or anything. If John is in tomorrow's picture, it doesn't matter if he tries to get on a plane to Timbuktu, something is going to happen so that he ends up in that picture.

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Exactly

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agreed. this movie was slightly silly and far too simple in my opinion

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Yes, thank you!

It's depressing to see how many people can't grasp the concept of an immutable timeline.

There is only one timeline. The photos can't change it, and nothing can change the photos. It's all set in a self-consistent chain that cannot be broken.

Callie didn't understand that and everyone paid the price for her mistake.

If anyone still doesn't get it:

Hypothetically, let's say you have this future-sensing camera, and see a picture of your white living room wall. You decide to screw with time by splashing red paint on the wall. The wall simply CANNOT be red when the picture is taken. Either you will change your mind, or fail in the attempt, or the wall will get painted over again with white, or something else will happen to make the picture real. This is simply the way the universe is ordered, and how the laws of physics work (at least according to the movie).

It's not a comfortable thought if you believe strongly in free will, but free will always has limits - you can't fight the laws of physics. You can't change the outcome seen in the picture any more that you can knock Earth out of its orbit by jumping up and down really hard.

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It's depressing to see how many people can't grasp the concept of an immutable timeline.
The timeline is mutable though. First, we have to take into account some truths here, and for starters, the past is happening and the future is happening now, but back or forth on the timeline. Everything is always happening.

So, take the red wall/white wall example for instance but reverse it. Let's say it's Wednesday night at 8 pm and the group sees that there is a big red smear of paint on their white wall. Kay, we know for sure that something will happen to make the paint smear occur no matter what. It is absolutely for sure that something will happen to make that occur because it is in the picture and the picture is always right.

So, during the next 24 hours, something absolutely will happen to make that smear of paint happen on the wall. However, Callie is actually 36 hours ahead of them technically. So, the red paint absolutely happens and she gets stuck cleaning up and doesn't want to do it. Or decides it's undesirable for whatever reason. It's Thursday at 8 pm now and the red smear is there.

So! She wants a white wall...everyone wants a white wall...so, all she has to do is to wait until Friday morning at 8 am...tape a message to the window that says "Hide Finn's red paint or it will go onto the wall". The picture gets taken on Friday morning, but she gets it on Thursday morning before the red paint gets smeared on the wall and she has time to hide the red paint.

So, then, when they look at the picture on Wednesday night at 8 pm to the 24 hours ahead, the wall will be white.

She might have been changing the outcome of things many times to get a desired result.

The picture is always right and always records what is there 24 hours ahead of time. The events can change and so the picture will change to reflect the new events.

If you think linearly, then it seems the picture is predicting the outcome ahead of time, but, in fact, the outcome is predicting what the picture will show. The outcome can change.

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The picture is always right and always records what is there 24 hours ahead of time. The events can change and so the picture will change to reflect the new events.


Except this never happens in the movie.You're pulling stuff in from other movies to try and make it fit (Back to the Future).

Look up the Novikov self-consistency principle, that's what this movie is doing. The timeline here IS immutable, it's one self consistent timeline.

By the way, I am right behind you.

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It's depressing to see how many people can't grasp the concept of an immutable timeline.


What if these contrarians see something you dont? No need to waste your precious emotions (depressing) over a difference of opinion regarding the puzzle-genre of cinema.

The entire point of films like this is to get people talking, arguing, etc. That someone would see entirely different outcomes/solutions than *me*, is fascinating--not depressing.

hug.


There is only one timeline. The photos can't change it, and nothing can change the photos. It's all set in a self-consistent chain that cannot be broken.

Callie didn't understand that and everyone paid the price for her mistake.


But if she cannot change the past, and I'm not saying she can, than zero mistakes were ever made. The very concept of "mistake" requires agency; choice.


Hypothetically, let's say you have this future-sensing camera, and see a picture of your white living room wall. You decide to screw with time by splashing red paint on the wall. The wall simply CANNOT be red when the picture is taken. Either you will change your mind, or fail in the attempt, or the wall will get painted over again with white, or something else will happen to make the picture real. This is simply the way the universe is ordered, and how the laws of physics work (at least according to the movie).


What you've described is the theory called, "The Self-Consistency Principle." Which governs theoretical temporal folding and duplicity when phase-spaces(Now(s)) overlap in a dimension higher than our observable 3.5d.

Still just a theory and a work-a-round to solve Predestination Paradoxicals. Newtonian Laws (all of them) have to be shelved before we can even discuss Self-consistency for the act of temporal folding, itself, breaks the 2nd law of thermal dynamics. Hence the impossibility claim.

If time-travel is possible... All of Newtonian Physics will need edits.






Enjoy these words, for one day they'll be gone... All of them.

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I'm still working through it. Can Callie can change the past based on her knowledge of the future and does the "Kiss Jasper extra long" prove it?

It goes like this I think: Let's say that it's Monday night. They get a picture at 8 pm that shows that Callie and Jasper will be kissing and Finn will be painting at 8 pm on Tuesday night. Fine. So, she'll get a pic 12 hours ahead at 8 am on Tuesday morning. But, forget that for now.

Fast forward to Tuesday night and the kiss between Jasper and Callie and they do kiss extra long and her boyfriend gets mad. She feels this is a good thing and wants to make sure that that happens so on Wednesday morning at 8 am, she stands in the window and tapes a message to it saying "Kiss Jasper extra long".

True, she has already kissed Jasper extra long...but, she might have been changing the outcome of the pictures all along. She gets her future vision 12 hours before they get theirs. Whatever they see in the picture at 8 pm...she would already be able to change from the future.

If Jasper sees a pic on Friday night that shows his hair is green by Saturday night, then something must have happened to make it so. But, Callie will know what it is on Sunday morning, and since she has a 12 hour head start, she can know that he bought the wrong color dye (for instance), or got slimed or something, and can stand in the window on Sunday morning with a message saying, "Don't let Jasper dye his hair"...then, she'll see this Saturday morning, and have foreknowledge of it...so, if she stops him dying his hair that night, then the pic from Friday night will change because he doesn't have green hair.

If that makes sense.

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I'm still working through it. Can Callie can change the past based on her knowledge of the future and does the "Kiss Jasper extra long" prove it?


No. Not in this movie. Had she not left herself a picture she would have kissed him extra long anyway, because that is what was always supposed to happen.

If Jasper sees a pic on Friday night that shows his hair is green by Saturday night, then something must have happened to make it so. But, Callie will know what it is on Sunday morning, and since she has a 12 hour head start, she can know that he bought the wrong color dye (for instance), or got slimed or something, and can stand in the window on Sunday morning with a message saying, "Don't let Jasper dye his hair"...then, she'll see this Saturday morning, and have foreknowledge of it...so, if she stops him dying his hair that night, then the pic from Friday night will change because he doesn't have green hair.


There's nothing in the movie at all to suggest this is what's happening. In your example, following the movie, if she had tried to change the outcome so that his hair wouldn't be green it would have come out green anyway in some way she couldn't have imagined. Because his hair was always going to be green. His hair was destined to be green.

By the way, I am right behind you.

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Callie was convinced she could, and had changed events. She proved she had done it.

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