why is Spock so Goddamn emotional in these? - Star Trek Beyond (2016) Discussion

[–] question7 8 years ago

Good characterisation and good character development. every film is less than 2.30 minutes, the writers feel they need to convey different sides of the character at some moments . this means the character has to show a range of emotion in the movies. if you rewatch the next generation movies, data was allowed to show emotions as an android. spock is not an andriod, he is a Vulcan/Human hybrid who has emotions, tries to control it, let's it slips at different times in the course of every single film. however I know you are a racist troll so do get lost.

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[–] collint-46427 8 years ago

It's a pity the films are so indefensible that you get angry call names. If they're so good, why can't they hold up to questioning?

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[–] kyliesca 8 years ago

I agree with you, I'm not sure if the original Spock was either a full-Vulcan or a half-Vulcan, but this new Spock in the reboot is only half-Vulcan which means that he is still partially human, so he should be allowed to show more emotions. I have not watched any of the original TV series or movies so I cannot comment on the original Spock, but I like this new and more emotional Spock, because I think it makes him a more dynamic and relatable character and more likable to me. I don't like characters that are just emotionless and expressionless because I think characters like those are too flat and monotone.
But Nimoy's Spock Prime in the first movie showed some emotions.

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[–] mooncalled2 8 years ago

Good characterisation and good character development. every film is less than 2.30 minutes, the writers feel they need to convey different sides of the character at some moments . this means the character has to show a range of emotion in the movies. if you rewatch the next generation movies, data was allowed to show emotions as an android. spock is not an andriod, he is a Vulcan/Human hybrid who has emotions, tries to control it, let's it slips at different times in the course of every single film. however I know you are a racist troll so do get lost.

The OP isn't a racist troll. The OP is a faithful fan of the Original Start Trek series, which these films have rebooted. All you have to do is look at the original series (currently available to in all day Friday marathon at the BBC America cable channel) to see that Spock was extremely stoic because he had been raised in a Vulcan society that had decided centuries before to choose logic over emotion. The OTS Spock did have a very acerbic, dry wit ... but you can count the times he actually showed emotion during the series original run (1966-1969) and in the OTS films that followed on one hand.

J.J. Abrams is not a big original Star Trek fan (he has said this in interviews from the time prior to release of the reboot Star Trek film in 2009) and has said that he just didn't 'get it.' He has made the newly rebooted series as close to Star Wars as possible; which is why Paramount should have never okayed his decision to direct the series.

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[–] Prophet_muhammad_578 8 years ago

This Spock imho comes off as angry in normal scenes and then explodes in rage or falls apart into sobbing in all other scenes.

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[–] crom-dubh 8 years ago

Because stupid millennials can't relate to a character like Spock otherwise.

Seriously, the worst parts about these new Star Trek movies is how badly they've ruined the characters. The only one that I feel is a worthy of comparison to the original is McCoy. Every other one is a pretty lame caricature of the original versions.

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[–] Fusion72 8 years ago

They think its entertaining making the emotionally crippled Spock more 'expressive'.

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[–] delalluvia 8 years ago

Because the timeline has changed and they're no longer the exact same people they were in the other timeline.

e.g. The original Kirk was from a solid family background, a bookworm who got teased by his academy colleagues and believed wholeheartedly in the Federation and its mission.

This Kirk is an anti-intellectual punk who probably dropped out of school, gave his stepfather and mother hell, and gets into barroom brawls and only got into Starfleet 'on a dare'.

Spock is obviously different as well.

"Can you keep a secret? Can you know something and never speak of it again?"

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[–] kyliesca 8 years ago

This Kirk is an anti-intellectual punk who probably dropped out of school, gave his stepfather and mother hell, and gets into barroom brawls and only got into Starfleet 'on a dare'.

That was how he was in the first movie, but Kirk certainly has matured and became wiser since then. And let's not forget that this Kirk from the alternate timeline lost his father when he was born so he grew up without a proper father figure to look up to and learn from. And it was implied that his stepfather was abusive towards him, so growing up he had quite a lot of anger in him and seemed like quite a delinquent, and somewhere along the way he got lost and reached a crossroads in his life before Captain Pike approached him with the proposition to join Starfleet. But even despite his seemingly delinquent image in the first movie, he was surprisingly quite well educated.

I think it's a bit unfair to really compare the 2 Kirks because they both had very different upbringings so that certainly affected how their characters grew up and how different their lives are. Unlike this alternate Kirk, the original Kirk grew up having his father around so he grew up having a proper father figure to look up to and learn from, he had a more stable upbringing than this alternate Kirk ever did.

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[–] delalluvia 8 years ago

That was how he was in the first movie, but Kirk certainly has matured and became wiser since then. And let's not forget that this Kirk from the alternate timeline lost his father when he was born so he grew up without a proper father figure to look up to and learn from.

Lots of kids do that. They don't all become punks who drop out of school.

And it was implied that his stepfather was abusive towards him, so growing up he had quite a lot of anger in him and seemed like quite a delinquent, and somewhere along the way he got lost and reached a crossroads in his life before Captain Pike approached him with the proposition to join Starfleet. But even despite his seemingly delinquent image in the first movie, he was surprisingly quite well educated.

It was "implied"? What implied it? The fact his stepdad was angry at Jim for STEALING HIS CAR?!?!

"Can you keep a secret? Can you know something and never speak of it again?"

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[–] kyliesca 8 years ago

Lots of kids do that. They don't all become punks who drop out of school.

True but maybe his mother was absent a lot of the times and left Kirk with his abusive stepfather most of the time, that certainly would not have made Kirk's life any easier. Not every fatherless child has an abusive childhood.

It was "implied"? What implied it? The fact his stepdad was angry at Jim for STEALING HIS CAR?!?!

In the original rough cut of the movie there was a whole scene with Kirk and his stepfather that was cut from the movie which implied that his stepfather had been abusing him for a while, and the reason why he decided to take his stepfather's car out for a joy ride without his permission was because it was his act of defiance against his stepfather for years of abuse. I think his stepfather's abusive nature was also retained in one of the original scripts.

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[–] delalluvia 8 years ago

It was "implied"? What implied it? The fact his stepdad was angry at Jim for STEALING HIS CAR?!?!

In the original rough cut of the movie there was a whole scene with Kirk and his stepfather that was cut from the movie which implied that his stepfather had been abusing him for a while, and the reason why he decided to take his stepfather's car out for a joy ride without his permission was because it was his act of defiance against his stepfather for years of abuse. I think his stepfather's abusive nature was also retained in one of the original scripts.

That scene in original rough cut was not in the released movie. Ergo, that family situation does not exist for Kirk.

A punk kid can take out his step parent's muscle car for a joy ride without ever being abused.

"Can you keep a secret? Can you know something and never speak of it again?"

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[–] kyliesca 8 years ago

You sound like you hate Kirk no matter what he does, so there's no point in arguing with you about him.

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[–] delalluvia 8 years ago

You sound like you hate Kirk no matter what he does, so there's no point in arguing with you about him.

No, it's just you have no way to justify why Kirk in the reboot series is a punk.

"Can you keep a secret? Can you know something and never speak of it again?"

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[–] Wombstar 8 years ago

Original Spock got emotional at times, but this is a much younger Spock and one who saw this planet and family die.. it's going to have an effect.

Also this isn't meant to be a carbon copy of the originals, go watch them of that's all you want. I love that theses new films are a little different while still looking and feeling like old ST but with high production values.

I think people on here just love to hate things they personally have no control over.

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[–] mariakelly-04164 8 years ago

Maybe Spock cries because he's HALF HUMAN?

Laugh while you can, Monkey Boy!

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[–] kyliesca 8 years ago

Yes, this young Spock is still half-human, I think some long-time fans probably forget that fact sometimes and just expect these characters to just be mere carbon copies of the original characters. I'm actually glad that these younger characters in this alternate timeline are different to their original counterparts, otherwise how boring would they be?

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[–] mariakelly-04164 8 years ago

You make some very valid points. Thanks. Happy New Year!

Laugh while you can, Monkey Boy!

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[–] mooncalled2 8 years ago

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esus Christ, he's cried in every one of the new movies! He laughed in this one. He's attached to uhura to the point of being unprofessional. What the hell did they do this to the character for?

You missed the fact that reboot Spock has pink skin and green blood as well (they used subtle greenish tint makeup on Leonard Nimoy in the OST series). You can lay this at the week of J.J.Abrams.

J.J. Abrams is not a big original Star Trek fan (he has said this in interviews from the time prior to release of the reboot Star Trek film in 2009) and has said that he just didn't 'get it.' He has made the newly rebooted series as close to Star Wars as possible; which is why Paramount should have never okayed his decision to direct the series.

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[–] rmontro 8 years ago

I do agree this Spock is much more emotional. Nimoy Spock would have been mortified to be seen displaying as much emotion as Quinto Spock has. The only explanation I can think of is that Old Ambassador Spock has talked to Quinto Spock and told him to embrace his human half more, and not try to bottle everything up so much.

I also like the explanation that seeing his planet destroyed has made him more openly emotional.

We old Trek fans know that Spock has always had feelings, but he tries to control them because he wants to live up to his Vulcan legacy.

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