Even Trekmovie podcast is saying there will not be a 4th film. - Star Trek Beyond (2016) Discussion

[–] Daenerys-Stormborn 8 years ago

God, I hope this isn't true.

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[–] fctiger 8 years ago

I been saying it all along I wouldn't be too shocked if we didn't get a fourth film considering Beyond didn't recoup its budget in theaters and had practically no hype going in but I still think one will get made eventually.

I think they will probably wait until it makes some money in Blu Rays and yes maybe wait and see how successful Discovery is first. The budget will be much lower for sure but a lot of us don't see that as bad. Less silly action scenes and actual story could be a plus. But my guess is even if we get one more it probably will be the last one anyway UNLESS it does extremely well obviously. If it does what Beyond did, even with a smaller budget I just don't think they are successful enough to keep going and the cast only gets more expensive now.

But yeah who knows? But there WILL be another Star Trek movie of some kind in the future. We all know this. Whether its with this cast and crew or someone new in a few years its up in the air but Trek will continue on the big screen in time. It will never completely die out although I think Trek really belongs on TV and why I'm more excited for Discovery. And that show can still be good, don't count it out just yet until we at least get a trailer.

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[–] BillyBeefcake 8 years ago

I agree FCTIGER that some day we will get another Star Trek film, but I'm a little more pessimistic about the situation that you are apparently.

I for one think if Paramount is thinking about a fourth ST film, it will be solely based on the success of Discovery, but only if Discovery is a huge hit. Then they'll probably try and ride the wave of Discovery like Paramount did with Star Trek VI off of TNG and the 25th anniversary back in 1991.

Unfortunately I am 99% confident that Discovery is going to absolutely and equivocally bomb harder than Highlander 2 on a hot Sunday afternoon.

Personally I don't think we'll see another Star Trek movie until the 75th anniversary of the franchise....but knowing Paramount they'll Fluck that up too.

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[–] fctiger 8 years ago

Ok fair enough but dude I have no idea why you keep this bizarre argument that another Star Trek film won't happen for 15 more years?? I mean that makes no sense. Yes Beyond failed but it didn't fail THAT hard lol.

The main problem with Beyond was that they just spent WAY too much money on it. I had said over and over and over with STID its no way they should've spent $190 million on that because these films are not big enough hits abroad to deserve that and yes while it made a profit it was a tiny one. We all thought Paramount would learn after that...we were wrong.

Now maybe it was just because of the delays, reshoots, rushing to get the film done with a smaller production schedule, it could be all those things, I really dont know but to be fair if the film was $150 million which most thought it would be it would at least broken even. Maybe made a small profit but it would be VERY small lol.

Where was I? Oh yeah Beyond failed but its not John Carter or the Lone Ranger either. If they do make another film, keep it around $120 million it will do fine if not amazing. And when Nemesis bombed people said the same thing, it could be a decade before another Star Trek film. That came out in 2002 and by 2006 they announced another film which opened in 2009. That was the longest Star Trek has ever gone between movies and that was only seven years. And actually even before they announced these reboots they were already working on another idea for a movie just two years later called Star Trek: Beginning. Unless Beyond bankrupted the studio its no way it will be more than 4-5 years before another one. Beyond will probably earn back its money in a year or so. And yes it will probably depend oh how well Discovery does. We know when Nemesis failed Enterprise wasn't doing so well either so why it took longer to get another film.

And in today's franchise world studios don't just wipe a franchise this big away for a long time anymore although I guess they aren't with the new show. But they'll just reboot it to something else in a few years if there is no fourth film with this crew. What that is will be the question. If they do I hope its something new and different completely. No TNG reboot please.

I'm more interested in Discovery now though. I hate they went back to the 23rd century but it at least have a new crew and I love the lead actress on it (A Walking Dead fan ;)) so that alone has given me hope it will be good.

It has to be because yes if Discovery fails then it could be no Trek for a while. But it won't take 15 years. They are ALWAYS working on new ideas for Star Trek, its just a matter of one good enough to make a film/show.

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[–] kyliesca 8 years ago

both Paramount and JJ have already confirmed they will push forward with the fourth movie so I am more inclined to believe them, rather than a bunch of people speculating.

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[–] BillyBeefcake 8 years ago

both Paramount and JJ have already confirmed they will push forward with the fourth movie so I am more inclined to believe them, rather than a bunch of people speculating.

Kyliesca they made these statements before Star Trek Beyond had even been released in the theaters.

They made those statements well before Beyond was deemed a financial failure.

Remember Tron Legacy? Yeah Tron 3 was cancelled in the same manor.

Green Lantern 2? Heard of that movie? Yeah the exact same scenario occurred. GL was suppose to replace the Harry Potter series with a new movie every other year....didn't happen....and neither will Star Trek 4.

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[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

Yeah announced sequels get cancelled ALL the time, especially when the film does bad.

Good point about Tron 3. Disney officially announced that movie was happening a year ago but then pulled the plug on it. They change their minds all the time. And whats crazy is Tron 2 cost $170 million and made $400 million so it actually made a profit but they still didn't think Tron 3 was worth doing although they announced one years later but then told themselves it probably wouldn't do much better.

Beyond cost $185 million but only made $340 million. Tron 2 looks like a major success compared to this flop so while I see Paramount considering making another movie lets face it if it wasn't Star Trek no way in hell they would even do it. They already cancelled the Terminator sequels and Terminator Genisys also did way better than Beyond.

The only way it might be a sequel if they can make it a lot cheaper and maybe ask the cast to take a pay cut. If enough say yes then they will probably do it. But if they say no I wouldn't hold my breath.

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[–] BillyBeefcake 8 years ago

Good point about Tron 3. Disney officially announced that movie was happening a year ago but then pulled the plug on it. They change their minds all the time. And whats crazy is Tron 2 cost $170 million and made $400 million so it actually made a profit but they still didn't think Tron 3 was worth doing although they announced one years later but then told themselves it probably wouldn't do much better.

Beyond cost $185 million but only made $340 million. Tron 2 looks like a major success compared to this flop so while I see Paramount considering making another movie lets face it if it wasn't Star Trek no way in hell they would even do it. They already cancelled the Terminator sequels and Terminator Genisys also did way better than Beyond.

The only way it might be a sequel if they can make it a lot cheaper and maybe ask the cast to take a pay cut. If enough say yes then they will probably do it. But if they say no I wouldn't hold my breath.

Son of a gun you punched us all in the gut reminding us that Terminator made more money than Star Trek did.

As of right now I believe ST 4 is an unannounced cancelled movie. The only way...and again the ONLY way we would see the new 1701-A fly in a new movie, is if ST: Discovery is a huge hit and then I can see Paramount justifying a low budget ST4.

...but Star Trek Discovery looks like an absolute mess so I doubt that will ever happen.

Here's looking at the 75th anniversary! Hopefully most of us are still alive by the.

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[–] ReelReviews14 8 years ago

As of right now I believe ST 4 is an unannounced cancelled movie

As of right now, I believe ST 4 had a theatrical release date of November 19, 1986, and achieved a very successful run at the box office, making $133 million on a $25 million budget.

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[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

Everyone knew what he meant man. And it IS the fourth Star Trek film for this series of films.

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[–] kyliesca 8 years ago

But Paramount hasn't stated the fourth movie would be cancelled have they? Right now people are just speculating despite the fact that the studio and JJ have already confirmed they will make the fourth movie. At least for the time being, the next sequel is still going to happen, unless Paramount come out and publicly states that the next sequel is cancelled, otherwise it will still happen.

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[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

Paramount hasn't publically stated Terminator 6 is cancelled either.

BOM still has its date up:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=terminator2017.htm

I have a feeling they may not finish it in time.

Yeah a fourth movie can still happen but the complete dead silence on it by the studio is telling.

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[–] BillyBeefcake 8 years ago

Boxofficemojo's thing is null and void.

They announced it was pulled several months ago, and that they are "rethinking" the future of the franchise.

James Cameron gets the rights back in the next few years, so they'll either make another movie to keep the rights or just let him have them back.

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[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

I know I was making a point. Although I didn't know they finally announced they were cancelled. Thank god we all suffered enough after the last one.

But announcing a sequel means crap all if the film before it doesn't perform. It cost nothing to throw out a press release saying a sequel is in the works, especially in our internet culture where news carry everything fast.

People seem to forget that they can cancel a film as fast as they announce one as the Terminator sequels proved.

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[–] DBLurker 8 years ago

Star Trek Beyond was just average.

If a new movie is made, they need to hire better writers and a better director who still isn't trying to make homages and make crappy racing game for a movie.

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[–] bottleshock34 8 years ago

They are currently writing the script simon pegg and doug, simon twittered a picture. Now it's no guarantee that the film will go ahead but it's a good sign, production if the script is greenlite could start as early as the end of this year.

But like anything we just have to wait and see what happens there's no guarantee either way.

"Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions"

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[–] Daenerys-Stormborn 8 years ago

Now it's no guarantee that the film will go ahead but it's a good sign,

What do you mean? ST Beyond did well in the BO grossing over 300M + They wont pull the plug on this one, im sure of it. Star Trek is one of the very moneymaking franchises they've got now. With the Transformers franchise coming to an end, ST is Paramount's prized possession.

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[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

It didn't do well.

Do you think the studio gets all that money? Thats not the way it works in business, in any business. Paramount gets about 55% of the profits from the U.S., about 45% of it abroad and 25% from China. The movie cost $185 million and that doesn't include marketing which was another $120 million. And it made $343 million. Now do the math?

If we go by those figures and its only a rough estimate of course, Paramount got about $150 million which means they are $30 million in the hole and like I said doesn't include marketing.

Its a flop. And I don't know where you are getting your information about Transformers bro? Paramount already said they plan to make not only more Transformer sequels but spin off movies as well. But Transformers movies cost what Star Trek movies do but earn a billion dollars. I mean do the math, if you're an executive and you got one franchise that makes over a billion and another that makes under $400 million which one would you be focused on? Its a no brainer. Transformer movies will be going another decade at least. For Star Trek they might make maybe one more movie with this cast and if that one does as badly as this one its over.

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[–] DBLurker 8 years ago

300 million is mere pittance for a movie with so much CGI and star power behind it. It needs to make over 500 million to be successful.

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[–] theverynext 8 years ago

At any other Studio that would be correct. But Paramount has no franchises besides Transformers and Mission Impossible. We all know MI franchise was declared all but dead after MI3, but there was a sequel and now is as strong as ever. It was a BIG mistake not to have Shatner in the last film considering the anniversary.

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