Star trek 4 officially happening,
http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-trek/257081/star-trek-4-cast-release-date-director
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Bro that Den of Geek article was written before Beyond even came out.
Did you bother to even read it or did you just look at the date. The very last line tells you what you needed to know when it literally says, "No release has been given but until then you can catch Beyond on July 22." Are they rerleasing it?
All it added was Hemsworth saying he talked to Abrams about it and its still happening. Thats about as confirmed as whatever Trump says about anything. Abrams don't approve jack all, he's only hoping the studio will give them more money to make one but since the studio has been dead silent I doubt anything has been confirmed. We certainly don't see Disney being quiet about their next Star Wars sequel do we?
One may still happen but an actor saying its going to happen is not confirmation of anything. It will happen when there is an update press release, actors signed and an actual premiere date. Right now its still a lot of hot air because I suspect Paramount really don't know yet. And if they did know, it looks like they forgot to tell Zoe Saldana:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vfrzRZVyd4
That was just a day ago. You seem really desperate for this movie to happen. Believe me you're not the only one.
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Well according to Chris Hemsworth, it's still happening:
http://www.movies.com/movie-news/chris-hemsworth-star-trek-movie/21942?wssac=164&wssaffid=news
According to Hemsworth, JJ has already approached him to discuss his character's return in the next movie, he also said that the fourth movie is still happening, and this was during a very recent interview at the Golden Globe awards just a few days ago.
As for Zoe, maybe they're just waiting until everything is prepared before they notify the other casts? Sometimes actors are only informed of the future of a project once a script has been completed. I suppose at the moment, it's still too early to inform the other casts since Simon Pegg is reportedly still working on a script for the next movie, so everything is still in the early stages. The script is still a working progress, and they haven't even hired a director yet, so the movie is still in its very first stages of pre-production. Maybe once they have a completed script that Paramount would be satisfied with, then they would inform the other casts. And if we consider the fact that all the previous 3 movies were released 3 years apart from each other, I think it's safe to assume that it would probably take another 3 years for the fourth movie to come out, that's still a long time from now.
Yeah, great news, Arnold Schwarzenegger said T6 was still happening too.
http://www.slashfilm.com/terminator-6-arnold-schwarzenegger/
Point being until the studio itself says something official then I'll believe it. They made one press release about it a week before Beyond came out and then made zero press releases about it after Beyond came out. That was literally six months ago.
As far as every other actor not being told until later that only works when the cast is under contract. Zoe Saldana is no longer under contract so if there is a next movie and they want her to be in it as the others, trust me, she would know because they have to get another contract first before they even work on the script. She only signed up for three.
I'm not saying there won't be one but stuff like this isn't anything set in gold either. I'll be convinced once Paramount actually says if they are making another movie. How hard is that exactly for them to do? After Beyond's dismal BO, I guess very hard.
Well Paramount and JJ themselves have already confirmed for months now that they are still pushing forward for the fourth movie, just how much more official do you want it to get? Even the production studio and executive producer and writer have all confirmed it, it doesn't get anymore official than that.
But apparently, some skeptics like you are still speculating, it seems like you skeptics just don't want another movie so you convince yourselves that there won't be anymore movies for the reboot, despite the fact that Paramount, JJ, Simon and Chris Hemsworth have all confirmed that there WILL be a fourth movie.
Yes there's still a possibility that the fourth movie MIGHT get cancelled sometime in the future, but that's just mere speculation, for the time being anyway, the fourth movie is still moving forward. Unless Paramount themselves publicly state that the 4th one is "cancelled" (which they have NOT done), otherwise the 4th one will still be made.
The fact that is Syboat linked an article that is 6 months old because no one at Paramount can't put out a new statement saying the film is still going forward? Whats the problem then? We get weekly updates about Disney's seven Star Wars sequel in development from Kathleen Kennedy. Marvel won't STFU about sequels that won't be out for five more years. So why all the cloak and dagger over a franchise hardly anyone even cares about now? Seem to me you would be shouting to everyone if you work at Paramount they are not only making it but would be throwing out all kinds of publicity over it too. They did that before Beyond bombed, right? Now...not so much.
For many of us it will get more 'official' when A. Actors have signed on B. They have a start date and C. They set up a budget. None of that has actually happened, has it? I'm not just being skeptical I'm just talking common sense.
When that happens then yeah I will believe it because that would be actual proof a movie is being made. Right now its just the usual PR BS everyone can say at any time. I don't doubt Paramount is thinking of making another one but they are quiet because nothing has been guaranteed yet. And after Beyond proved to be a dud can you blame them?
End of the day they will make one or they won't. I'll believe it when they actually begin making one. What is wrong with that exactly?
And I liked Beyond even though I thought the first two were crap so if they make another one and its at least OK like that one I hope they make it. Throw in the Borg, I'll be there opening weekend.
Actually all the main cast were out of contract for beyond, because according to law a contract can only go for 7 years before it needs updating. So paramount had to resign everyone, it's just that we only heard about chris and zach's contract.
But you are right this still means no guarantees until the crew and cast actually start filming. But its a step so there's that, I've learned never to fully believe a studio when it comes to making films. Too many times I've gotten excited only to be disappointed because they decided to pull the plug on a film.
The film ain't guaranteed until their filming and even then it can still be shelved.
"Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions"
Thats all I'm saying. People act like these things haven't been said so many times in the past just for there to be absolutely nothing when reality hits. I don't get what I'm saying is so bad? If there is a film then obviously there will be one. I just choose to believe it when I hear real news. Thor saying it on the rope line isn't real news, its just more of the same "Yeah they are working on it" PR. Anyone can say that and its probably true but that doesn't mean the film is actually green lit.
If he said "Yeah, I signed up for it, they have some directors in mind and we start shooting next June" or something OK, thats actual news. For now who knows but we'll see.
People are entitled to think whatever they like, if some people are still skeptical about the future of the reboot, then so be it. But I would rather choose to believe Paramount, the producers and the actors, rather than speculations from people who know nothing about the project and do not work at the studio and have no inside knowledge. Yes, Paramount confirmed the fourth movie even before Beyond was released, and has not publicly made any official updates recently on the current status of the fourth movie, so it's understandable for some people to start having doubts. But at the same time, people also cannot deny the fact that Paramount has also NOT publicly stated the 4th movie is "cancelled" either, have they? So for the time being at least, they are still pushing forward with the fourth movie. If the 4th one is really "cancelled", then don't you think Paramount would've made an announcement about that by now? But they haven't, no more recent updates doesn't necessarily mean the movie is "cancelled", more often than not, no updates just means that they are still moving forward with the project and are keeping the details quiet.
Neither JJ nor anyone else involved in the reboot has publicly stated that the 4th one is "cancelled" either, JJ, Simon and Hemsworth are all still insisting that the 4th movie is going to happen, and no updates from Paramount just means that they are not denying or disagreeing with their statements either. Studios don't have to periodically keep the public informed about the status of their upcoming movies, some do but some don't, sometimes the studios would just let the cast or the crew speak for their decisions publicly. The fact that the producer JJ and writer Simon and Hemsworth are still assuring the public that the 4th movie is still going to happen, and Paramount is apparently not denying that, clearly it shows that there are no plans to cancel the 4th movie, at least not for the time being. So I choose to believe them, since they are the people who are actually involved in the movie and have inside knowledge about the project.
We can't just assume that that every production process is the same, just because we get periodic updates about the status of a movie production, does not necessarily mean that we would get periodic updates for every movie. So just because Disney gives the public weekly updates on upcoming Star Wars movies, does not mean Paramount would necessarily do the same for Star Trek movies, and they are 2 different studios anyway, they have their own ways of doing things and their own ways of promoting their movies. Some studios are more secretive about some of their upcoming movies than others, and are not so forthcoming until the movies are further into production. Surely Paramount didn't give us weekly updates after Into Darkness and Beyond were confirmed, we only started getting periodic updates for the previous movies when filming for those movies began.
Of course people also have the right to speculate and have doubts, but since there's so much confirmation from so many people involved in the movie insisting that the movie will still be made, and so far there is absolutely NO indication of Paramount wanting to cancel the 4th one, I will remain optimistic about this. If Paramount had any intention of shelving the 4th movie, then I think they would've made an official announcement about cancellation by now.
People are speculating about the future, but not really focusing on the present. As I have mentioned before, yes it's still possible that the 4th movie MIGHT get shelved sometime in the future, and it's not a 100% guarantee, but that is in the future. And at least for NOW in the present, the 4th movie is still CONFIRMED to be made. So I personally choose to believe what is actually confirmed and official, and so far, the 4th movie is still OFFICIALLY in the works.
I would only believe the 4th movie being cancelled IF Paramount publicly makes a statement about cancellation plans, and so far there's nothing. So obviously Paramount has NO plans to cancel the 4th movie, at least not for now, so I will focus on the present, instead of worrying about the future.
Where did I say you couldn't believe it?? I'm only telling you I don't believe it. See the difference?
And can you read what I'm saying correctly please? I said this already three times now but it looks like I have to say it again: I didn't say I thought it was cancelled, only that they are not sure what to do yet since Beyond flopped. Hell I never even used the word cancelled in any of my posts and you put the word in quotation marks as if I said it numerous times. As said (again) they might still make it they just haven't made up their minds completely. My guess is they are just waiting to see on things like how well it does on Blu Ray, maybe wait to see if Discovery is a hit first and/or just see how well the script actually comes out (funny how that's rarely considered these days, and we wonder why there are so many crap sequels in the first place). So again, not saying the film is cancelled, get a grip, only saying they are waiting to see how things play out before they actually proceed to make one.
And I focus on the script especially because I find it interesting the first (and only) press release when it was announced (and funny enough still in Syboats outdated link) that the people who was going to write the film now doesn't seem to be writing it anymore. Whats funny is the link made it clear Pegg and Jung WASN'T writing the next one and now we see they could be writing it after all. What does that tell you? That none of this is etched in stone, right? Maybe they changed the entire original idea or the ideas the other guys had just sucked or they liked Pegg and Jung so much they fired those guys and got them back. Who knows? Thats the thing, we really don't know, Paramount haven't bothered to let us know if its really happening and who is actually writing it? And the other possibility is maybe they are now trying to find a way to make a cheaper story and now rewriting the script. That could be an actual reason for delay, who knows?
I just think its a lot of PR hot air for now. I can be proven wrong real soon and if so thats cool. But the OP put in the words "officially happening" as if we just been told a start date was made, script was finished and everyone signed on. None of that has actually happened yet so nothing is official until then. And Beyond was a huge let down so I think Paramount is worried the next one could flop just as badly and why they are taking their time to decide before they announce anything official again. They were the idiots who made official premiere dates for Terminator 6 and 7 before the last one even came out, they probably don't want to look stupid again until they really know.
Seriously, would that be a big shock at this point? Wouldn't anyone who lost 10s of millions of dollars wouldn't rush in to make another flop right away? Especially like Paramount that is badly hurting? So my guess is they probably won't make a real decision until they see a script, it can be waaaaaaaaay cheaper and if they think it will be an idea to win fans back. You'll have to be a complete idiot to fork over another $150 million to a sequel of a flop film without knowing if it can at least succeed first with a decent script, right?
So I'll wait until I hear more.
I don't want to argue with you on this matter, so you are entitled to believe what you want to believe, some people are just more optimistic and want to believe what is actually confirmed and official. But of course other people can be skeptical if they want to.
Beyond was only released last year so it would probably take another 3 years or so for the fourth one, probably sometime in 2019 or 2020, therefore it's really still too early. At least for now, it's official that they will move forward with the fourth movie, that's the current status of the reboot, it will still continue, hence I will believe that. If Paramount ever decides to change their mind about the fourth movie, then that would be in the future.
People can speculate all they want, but all we can do is just to wait and see to be absolutely sure.
OMG how old are you?
ALL I said was over and over again it could still happen, but we don't really know, relax. Hell the actress who been playing in the movie for 7 years don't even seen to know and that interviews was two days ago, OK? So clearly its not etched in stone either and maybe for all the things I already said. Whats funny is if you go by what you keep saying its been "officially" going forward as always since announced in July why would Saldana suddenly be in any doubt about it 6 months later then? Doesn't that tell you something? Give you a hint? This isn't brain surgery people.
And you spent multiple paragraphs saying how I was assuming it was cancelled and I never even said that. Get a grip.
I only even commented on this thread because the OP threw up an old ass link that said it was "officially happening" just to learn we got no actual new news since they announced it 6 months ago. If its still happening, fine, but until Paramount just comes out and say it yeah people are going to be skeptical, especially after Beyond flopped. It takes all of a few lines to send out a press release with updated info.
What do you want me to say? People spent nearly a year on the Terminator Genisys boards saying exactly what you're saying right now: "Paramount already said a sequel(s) is coming. Arnold said there will be more. They already have premiere dates, blah, blah, blah." Look at everything you wrote, change the name to Terminator and there you go.
I heard that every time I went there for months, until they no longer were going forward. Relax you can believe what you want and you could be right too but I personally stopped buying into this kind of PR years ago, especially after a movie fails. So I'll believe when I see it like any film that flopped.
Actors are the last people to know anything, since they don't control anything they're just the employees.
It could if things go well script wise very well start filming hy the end of the year. But thats only a tiny chance of happening, hopefully paramount get it right this time round.
First don't wait four years for the 4th film next get the script right and completed before filming starts. Next market the film properly.
If they do their job correctly star trek will continue if not then it may as well end.
"Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions"
No what I'm saying is since this was ALREADY announced then clearly they would know another film is happening but its obvious Saldana don't have a clue. My point is you can't have it both ways. You can't say its 'official' and 'going forward' but then somehow say the actors who are suppose to be in the film are still clueless if its even happening or not? Thats some crazy pretzel there. Especially since it was announced 6 months ago. Thats why this thread is even up.
But yeah I agree if they make another one the last thing they should do is wait 3 or 4 years. These films aren't that strong anymore, in 4 years no one is hardly going to care and that one will probably bomb harder. This is not the Mission Impossible franchise where they can go 4-5 years and still get interest. If they are going to make another one, it should be in the next two years and make it big: Borg, Q, Shatner, all of the above if they want it to succeed.
I don't know and as audiences we don't clearly know the details of the contracts. It may very well be that only chris and zach have the 4th film deal at this point in time. I know that paramount had to renegotiate the contracts quickly and chris and zach had to sign onto at least two more films as part of the new contract. No news on any other actors just theirs.
I have heard actors in the past say that they have no clue on whether another film will happen. Now that could very well be that they have yet to be approached because they're under contract they have to basically do the film anyways so no point in letting them no right away i geuss. Another point could be that the studio has put a gag order which is silly i know, it could be any number of reasons.
At the end if the day i will take any news as good news but with a grain of salt. I totally get what you meant eariler, i really didn't notice the recycled news i hate that when sites recyle news and new just to get people to click on it.
Hopefully everything goes to plan and we get a good film. They can do so much with Hemsworth coming back if they just think outside the box a little and please don't do time travel.
They could go for an entity that dives into kirks mind and takes the only image of kirks dad and forms into George kirk.
Yeah but I don't really understand this argument either. If they already said they are making another one, then there really shouldn't be any confusion to that. Thats what he is saying.
Its like saying someone green lit Star Wars Episode 9 but then Mark Hammil months later can't tell you if they are making Star Wars Episode 9? Especially when it was supposedly green lit back in July. I mean if you already said a film is happening publicly why wouldn't you tell the cast at this point? It makes no real sense.
So more than likely that was probably never a guarantee just a possibility and that was probably when they thought Beyond would at least break even. I imagine that really set things back A LOT once it flopped and why its kind of on the fence.
Put it this way, Paramount said Mission Impossible 6 was happening two weeks after Mission Impossible 5 opened and there has been constant news on that sequel since. There has been no one saying months later they 'hope' it still gets made. Its not even a question, but that film is already budgeted and now has a premiere date for 2018.
But I think one will still get made though but it will probably depend on a lot of other factors before Paramount makes it official.
I did hear a rumor on another Trek board if another one happens one of the ideas is to include the Borg. Yes you have to take it all with a grain of salt but I been saying for awhile now they really have to go big in the next film or I'm afraid the next one will flop like this did. Fingers crossed.
It kinda makes sense star trek hasn't really been paramounts top priority so theres that reason why we don't hear much.
"Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions"
When STID was a hit and it was clear it was going to get a sequel there were articles about it less than a month when it was announced and a lot of talk over it from that point on. Beyond has been out 6 months now and still total silence by the studio.
And it doesn't have to be a top priority but still admit its existence, especially after you said it months ago.
We ALL want a sequel, but its a lot of spinning on this thread over what seems pretty obvious. They certainly want to make one, but nothing official yet until they know for sure the next one can succeed and sadly there is nothing to indicate it can so thats probably the rub. Thats much more the reality instead of all the cloak and dagger over a film they supposedly green lit months ago.
But when it was first announced that was before Beyond flopped and there is probably worry the next one will as well and I can't blame them. But no they are not acting like a studio with a competent product on its hands.
Hi fc when you say "get big" are you referring to budget? I thought the problem all along is excess budget!
shareGet big as in budget FC??
shareIt kinda makes sense star trek hasn't really been paramounts top priority so theres that reason why we don't hear much.
"Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions"
These are $150+ million movies!! What are you talking about? This isn't some small Meryl Streep movie these are big tent pole films the company relies on to make enough money make other films. To say they don't make a movie they spent $300 million on as not a top priority is ridiculous.
The reality is no one knows if they are making another film or not and that probably includes Paramount. They may green light but believe me if they knew for sure they were making another one we would know about it by now like the last three. They had no problem updating us about those movies 6 months after they said they were making them.
http://www.trektoday.com/content/2017/01/saldanas-hope-for-star-trek-iv/
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OK, maybe this finally explains it but Syboat must be a kid or something.
First off dude, thats not 'news'. All she said was she wants to see another one but worried because of the BO the last one did.
Secondly, this is the exact same interview I posted in my post to you. Its literally the first reply. Did you not click it or something? C'mon man.
Well any news is good I guess but yeah I wouldn't really say anything is confirmed either.
I been saying this for months now, I think another one will be made at this point. But I have to agree with Pumba, I don't think its set in stone either which is why you had Zoe say her comments. She's basically saying the obvious, they don't really know and my guess is because Paramount doesn't really know yet.
I think whats happening though is the intention is to make another one but they probably want to wait to see how well it does in blu-ray first and maybe if the new show Discovery is successful or not (sucks that got pushed to May it was suppose to start this month dammit!) and if enough good will probably move forward.
But right now its just basic PR by Hemsworth, nothing more. But while I think another will eventually get made it will probably be the final one UNLESS the next one does above $400 million. Look around, how many big franchises make such little money and yet still around by the 5th movie? It just doesn't happen today. True Paramount don't have many franchises but whats the point of throwing money at franchises that doesn't make any real money either? And like its been said NO ONE is saying Star Trek is going anywhere, they will just put the movie franchise on the shelf for a few years and come up with something new and hopefully more successful. Thats the beauty of Hollywood today, everyone has a reset button.
Sadly these films just never reached their potential even with all the marketing, splashy premieres, strong stars, big time directors and even strong reviews and just never got to the level of hype the studio hoped. And then Beyond had NO hype at all which just sealed the franchise fate for the long term.
I'll say again I have a feeling another one will get made but its not guaranteed either and I wouldn't be surprise if they ultimately decide to cancel it outright. Hopefully will get a more substantial word on it soon. At least have one more to wrap it up!
Syboat,
You are one of the reasons FAKE NEWS spreads all across this world.
You read the headline, didn't even take the time to read the article, and you didn't verify the date when published.
If you had read it you would have scene it acknowledged the death of Anton 30 days prior. This article came out right around launch of Beyond.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
I know some people are getting on his case about when it was published but I think basically they 'updated' the article when they added Chris Hemsworths comments about talking to Abrams. So yes the article is old news, at least 90% of it but they clearly just update whatever they can and just throw it in the same article without updating the rest which is bizarre and frankly lazy. I mean at least make it clear the dates you add the updates to make it clear what news was when so not to confuse people.
And I know people are giving Syboat a hard time, but he means well. He's just a fanboy who really wants to see another movie. Nothing wrong with that obviously. He's probably just a kid but yeah if you are going to post a title that says "officially happening" you need something more than a comment by an actor at an awards show. Just give it a more proper context. But the title gives everyone else the sense the film has now been given a start date, press release by Paramount, budgeted, etc. Hell thats why I clicked on it lol and then sadly learned there is no real news. Kind of feels like clickbait even if that wasn't his intention.