Let's hope for big returns from China and Japan - Star Trek Beyond (2016) Discussion

[–] Syboat 9 years ago

Yea really dissappointed. I think Star Wars Fans should rally together to watch it to support our beloved sci fi franchise

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[–] ewaf58 9 years ago

Doubtful - they're still enjoying the World's longest orgasm after their reboot.

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[–] ewaf58 9 years ago

Yes I'm sure many fans will come out disappointed and not recommend it.

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[–] artdogg50 9 years ago

I really believe they'll want to keep doing them. I just think they'll change somethings, mostly the budget. The Wrath of Khan was forced to be made on a shoestring Budget because the first one didn't do that well.

This film had to be partly or mostly rewritten because Orci and Co. produced a script JJ and Co. didn't like. I doubt that'll be allowed next time. First decent script probably gets made whether the producers like it or not.

Justin Lin probably won't be invited back. His film, he gets the blame.

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[–] mikethemartian 9 years ago

The Wrath of Khan was largely written as a play with a few external FX scenes comprising most of the action. It mostly relied on dialogue and suspense. It had just enough action to spice things up. The reboot films are more action oriented so I would think they would be hard to produce inexpensively.

The thing is, Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.

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[–] artdogg50 9 years ago

Double post.

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[–] AdmiralTugBenson 9 years ago

The Motion Picture actually did really well, it was the highest selling Star Trek movie until the 2009 film came out. The problem with TMP, and the reason the budget for WoK was less, was because the first film had a very bloated budget and while it may have sold the most tickets it wasn't the most profitable. Although it still made a LOT of money. WoK is still the most profitable because it had pretty good ticket sales (though much less than TMP) but did so with a smaller budget.

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[–] fctiger 9 years ago

Guys both Star Trek 2009 and STID flopped in Japan. Star Trek 09 made a whopping $6 million and STID did $10 million. This one will make somewhere between there or even worse now.

It would have to make $150+ million in China to even get it to $400 million and thats not happening. Its going to make about the same as STID or again worse. Its definitely not going to make a huge difference to the overall total. This is going to do under $400 million no matter what now.

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[–] ewaf58 9 years ago

Then us fans should go to China to promote it by walking through the streets with sandwich boards.

China had a population of 1.357 Billion - now we just need to sell the tickets at $1 dollar each and whammo - a Summer smash.

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[–] Damienracer 9 years ago

You're either British or James Corden which one is it?

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[–] ScrystaLz 9 years ago

$10 million may not seen like much to your standards, but US$10 million is the equivalent of over 1 billion japanese yen according to today's currency conversion rate, and that is actually alot for a movie (especially a foreign movie) on Japan's standards. So grossing US$10 million in Japan is actually considered quite good, hardly a "flop"...many Hollywood movies make more or less about the same amount in Japan, some even grossed less than STID, and some exceptions that grossed more. Heck, STID made even MORE money in Japan than even some of the popular Marvel superhero movies did! STID grossed almost US$11 million in Japan, and that is still considered a moderate success...not a "huge" hit, but hardly a "flop" either.

As for China, well ST2009 only made about US$9 million in China, and then suddenly that number jumped to a whopping US$57 million for STID, that's a HUGE increase, that is 6 times more than ST2009! So it's still possible that STB's gross in China could have a big increase from STID's gross, it's happened before, right? Although chances of it making $150 million+ in China is quite low...but you never know for sure until the time comes. Also, since we still don't know how much STB will ACTUALLY make in those many other countries where STB has yet to release in, and still many more months to wait, everything is still up in the air at this point...we still don't even know how much STB will actually make in total in the US domestic market yet.
Of course some people already have their own predictions and assumptions that they consider as "facts" or "reality"...but the REAL truth is, we will only know for sure several months from now, so in the meantime, nothing is concrete yet.
I'm still hoping that STB would make US$400 million in total at the very least...if it makes at least $400 million, then I'd be ok with that, of course I'd be happy if it makes more...like I have mentioned many times before, I'm not expecting a huge turn out, just as long as STB makes enough money for Paramount to proceed with making the 4th movie...maybe at least $400 million would be enough for Paramount?

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[–] fctiger 9 years ago

Yeah its no way this movie is making $400 million now. That boat has sailed. Seriously, its over!

And yes the reason WHY STID did so much more than the 2009 film in China is proof you just have no clue about any of this.

Star Trek 2009 wasn't in 3D and none 3D films at the time were relegated to smaller distribution in China and it lasted about 2-3 weeks in the theaters before it was pulled. The REASON STID even got 3D was because of, you ready for this, China. Ok thats the ONLY reason it got it. Abrams said that himself. Its the reason most films gets it now because Paramount wanted STID to perform on a bigger level abroad and it actively pushed China to give STID a bigger distribution and the only way to do that was through 3D.

So yes it made 6 times that number because the 2009 film played in less than 500 screens and was pulled out quickly. STID was given huge fanfare, put in 3,000+ theaters including the IMAX ones and was promised they would get a minimum number of screens through its month distribution. My guess is Beyond will get what STID got obviously now but if you're going to expect some huge BO over it you're sadly dreaming. Can it do more, sure, is it going to do $10s of millions more, no. It wont because it hasn't done that anywhere else where Star Trek is actually POPULAR, its not going to make a huge difference now. And yes, it could VERY easily make less than STID did. Much less. 

Look STB has failed. Sorry reality hasn't hit you yet but it has. Obviously its going to make more money but at this point it is not going to make anything more than double where it is now and it will easily be under $400 million. The film is in every major market now but one. Are you NOT getting this? Its in 60% of the markets now, and every market it has left with the exception of France, Mexico, China, Korea, Japan and Brazil all average under a million dollars total. OK? And the ONLY markets in the ones I named that can even make over $10 million will be China, Korea and Japan. And Korea and Japan will be lucky if they make $10 million considering thats the peak of these films in those countries.

You should've listened to me months ago when I told you I thought this film had low buzz and was headed for major trouble instead of insulting me over it. Sad thing is I use to like you, but now you just come off as airhead fangirl who can't grasp basic reality even now and clearly have no clue on this stuff while I clearly do, hence why I was 100% correct. Now you finally got my point or is your dumbass still waiting for that 'amazing' social media buzz to kick in and save this movie? Maybe instead of trying to discredit my opinion you shouldve tried to understand it better then or you wouldn't be praying China makes $100 million just to break even lol. Too bad you had to realize it months later. 

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[–] ScrystaLz 9 years ago

sigh, it seems you're so convinced that STB would make less than $400 million, I guess there's no changing your mind unless you see the actual results.

Well, good to know I've wasted my time on a cynic, again...now I know not to waste anymore of my time on you either, welcome to my ignore list.

Unlike you cynics, I will patiently and sensibly wait for the REAL total box office numbers which should be released sometime in October or November...unlike you skeptics and cynics, I don't jump to conclusions, nor do I convince myself that predictions and assumptions are "facts" or "reality", I have more decency than that  So until the REAL total box office numbers are released, in the meantime I will NOT jump to any conclusions about whether STB would flop or succeed, only time will tell afterall.

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[–] ewaf58 9 years ago

It's still chugging along in North America - I think it has some staying power with some fans eventually deciding to see it.

Even if it doesn't pass $400 on cinema receipts it will on rentals and DVD's making it more like they'll make ST14.

I want to see ST14!

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[–] Pumba74 9 years ago

Guy this movie is going to make over $100 million less than the first movie made in America in 2009 without 3D and its going to make $80 million less than STID. The only 'staying power' this movie has has maybe 3 more weeks before it falls out of the top 10 in America. Its already at number 5 and its only 3 weeks old.

This movie is going to tank in the theaters. Paramount would have to be on crack to make another one, but its Hollywood and they love crack over there.

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[–] ewaf58 9 years ago

Please please take into account future rentals and DVD's. I'm sure 'fans' who didn't go and watch it at the flicks will see it on the small screen. I predict records for both of these mediums.

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[–] Pumba74 9 years ago

She's put everyone on ignore here because she's that sensitive. She's a dumb idiot who can't hear the truth. She's probably just a teenager who can't admit to being wrong.

People have told her this movie could fail and being the virgin fangirl she is couldn't listen to reason. The movie has made less money in every major market than STID at this point. Its already failed on a massive level but this dumb broad thinks its going to suddenly make a bunch of money out of nowhere. China is not going to save it, its only going to make a little money there and even if it made more the film has done so poorly most places its not enough now. This dumb broad can't do simple math and why she now has to wait 5 months what most of us now know a week ago, the film isn't going to make a profit. Its already lost most of its IMAX theaters and will lose regular theaters more now. She's too much of an emotional idiot to hear reason. No wonder why she's alone.

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[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

Want to know why dumb virgin fangirl ScrystaLz never showed her face around here again. This is why:

sigh, it seems you're so convinced that STB would make less than $400 million, I guess there's no changing your mind unless you see the actual results.

Well, good to know I've wasted my time on a cynic, again...now I know not to waste anymore of my time on you either, welcome to my ignore list.

Unlike you cynics, I will patiently and sensibly wait for the REAL total box office numbers which should be released sometime in October or November...unlike you skeptics and cynics, I don't jump to conclusions, nor do I convince myself that predictions and assumptions are "facts" or "reality", I have more decency than that So until the REAL total box office numbers are released, in the meantime I will NOT jump to any conclusions about whether STB would flop or succeed, only time will tell afterall.

Its now October dumbass and oops STB is still a bomb. 

Us 'cynics' just understand how match works.

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[–] onebluestocking 9 years ago

And the ONLY markets in the ones I named that can even make over $10 million will be China, Korea and Japan.

Prediction: $35m in China, $5m in Japan. Korea I dunno, a lot of big tentpoles don't open there. Maybe $10m?

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[–] fctiger 9 years ago

I would probably go a bit higher with China. Maybe $50-60 million? It could be lower obviously but I'm going to keep the projections around what STID made for now until I see how it does opening weekend. But yeah considering how this film has been doing everywhere else it could go that low but $50+ million is what I'm feeling.

Japan, maybe a little higher like $6-8 million. I would not expect too much more though.

Korea, yeah I will say about $10 million as well. I use to live there so yeah I can tell you for a fact they don't open too big there lol but the usual culprits like Harry Potter, Transformers, Marvel movies, etc actually opens big. But space stuff like Star Trek and Star Wars no not really.

BTW what did you think of the movie itself? I thought it was the best of the three, nothing amazing but liked it for sure. 

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[–] kyliesca 9 years ago

Heck, STID made even MORE money in Japan than even some of the popular Marvel superhero movies did!

Really? This is shocking to me to think that Into Darkness had made more money than a Marvel movie in Japan. I had always thought all those Marvel movies are so hugely popular everywhere. Can you post the Marvel movies that had made less money than Into Darkness in Japan? I'm curious to know now.

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[–] ScrystaLz 9 years ago

I had always thought all those Marvel movies are so hugely popular everywhere.

well it depends on the movie and which country...some of the specific Marvel superhero franchises tend to be more popular in Japan than other Marvel superhero franchises...eg, Spiderman & Iron Man both tend to be more popular in Japan than Thor, X-Men and Captain America (based on box office numbers)...although the first Iron Man movie did gross less than STID in Japan, but its 2 later sequels both out-grossed STID, and a Japanese friend told me that Spiderman is particularly popular in Japan and that it is by far the most popular Marvel superhero franchise in Japan.

Anyway, here's a list of some of the Marvel superhero movies which STID had managed to out-gross in Japan:

Guardians of the Galaxy: US$9 million
Thor: $5-6 million (even ST2009 managed to make slightly more)
Thor - The Dark World: $6 million
X-Men First Class: $7-8 million
X-Men Days of Future Past: $10 million
Captain America 1: $3 million
Captain America 2 the Winter Soldier: $6 million
Iron Man: $8 million
Fantastic Four 2005: $9 million
Fantastic Four - Rise of the Silver Surfer: $8 million
Fantastic Four 2015: $2 million (not surprising considering this movie flopped literally everywhere).

like I said these are just some examples, I didn't search all the Marvel movies...so there could be some more that STID out-grossed in Japan that I've missed.

My japanese friend also told me that making US$10-11 million in Japan for a movie is considered the standard average hit over there, it's not considered a huge success, but hardly a "flop" either, it's moderate success, not bad. She also told me that most movies both local Japanese and foreign movies, tend to make about $10 million or less in Japan...with only some exceptions that managed to make more than that.
I think STB might still have a chance of making about the same amount in Japan as STID did...if that does happen, then it wouldn't be a big success, but it wouldn't be a flop there either.
It's possible that STB could still get a good turn out in China...but whether it would be enough remains to be seen.

I honestly don't understand why cynics on this board seem to be under the misinterpreted impression that I have "convinced myself that STB will be a success" when I have NEVER implied that. NEVER did I ever say that I thought STB "will" be a "success", and neither have I implied that it would be a "flop" either. All I have ever implied is that since there's still many more months to wait until we know the REAL total box office numbers for STB, it's just too early to be completely sure of anything at this point, and too early to jump to any conclusions. STB could flop, or it could turn out to be an unexpected success, or it could barely just make enough to break even, who knows, I really don't know, because it's all up in the air right now. Which is why I'm so insistent on keeping an open-mind about STB's potential overall box office numbers, because we just don't know, we cannot be 100% certain of anything at this point. We will get our answer eventually sometime in October or November, so in the meantime it's best to just patiently wait and see what happens...instead of impatiently & irrationally jumping to conclusions & making up blind predictions & assumptions.

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[–] kyliesca 9 years ago

Thank you for the list and the insight, that's very interesting indeed.

While I am not too confident about the movie's chances of making good profit from the box office performances, but I agree with you that it's still too early to judge.

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[–] ScrystaLz 9 years ago

While I am not too confident about the movie's chances of making good profit from the box office performances, but I agree with you that it's still too early to judge.

If only there were more sensible people like you on this board *sigh*

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[–] Pumba74 9 years ago

Its bombing you idiot. It made $15 million worldwide this week. 

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[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Star Trek 2009 and STID flopped in Japan. Star Trek 09 made a whopping $6 million and STID did $10 million

LOL FC tiger must wear flip flops all the time, since everything's a flop to him. Making $10 mil in Japan is pretty good, considering Japan is a small island and STID is a foreign movie there. Imagine any foreign film showing in the US, OMG if it makes $10 mil it's definitely a hit !

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[–] Damienracer 9 years ago

How the hell did you come to the conclusion about a lack of interest in space adventures? GOTG and star wars beg to differ what a clueless painfully smug post.

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[–] ewaf58 9 years ago

Go wash your mouth out that's a very rude post - it was a comment and certainly not a smug one

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[–] directorscut 9 years ago

Clearly cinema goers just aren't into space adventures at the moment.

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Maybe they just weren't into THE TREK AND THE FURIOUS?

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[–] ewaf58 9 years ago

Note I said 'at the moment' Those film are a few years old

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[–] fctiger 9 years ago

Yeah but The Martian opened less than a year ago and made over $600 million.

It has ZERO to do with the genre and mostly fans of Star Trek just not into these films anymore for whatever reason. I BET you more Star Trek fans saw Martian, Interstellar and Gravity by a mile than they would turn up to see this film and that spells trouble for these films.

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[–] ewaf58 9 years ago

They're still trundling along to see it. Given the bad word about Suicide Squad some cinema goers may decide to watch a decent film.

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[–] Pumba74 9 years ago

Bro you have to face reality, the movie is bombing. Its not going to make its budget back in the theater, thats a bomb. It only made $10 million in America last weekend, it will probably only make $5-6 million this weekend. It will be out of the top 10 in 3 weeks.

You don't spend $200 million for a movie to bomb this badly, especially in a 50 year old franchise.

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[–] ewaf58 9 years ago

Well I'll be interested to see the combined total of all mediums this time next year by which time the execs will have decided the film franchises fate.

Yeah it is a bit of a bomb even through the most rose tinted glasses. Perhaps there was a dastardly plot to make it fail and 10 millions fans were put into suspended animation until December.

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[–] TRinzler 9 years ago

It's still too early to say for sure! We need to wait oh say another 50 years at least. By that time the sales from online rental, trilogy all nighters and other re-screenings might've pushed it up out of the red...

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[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

^^Just saw this. 

Its now October, maybe some of these idiots are finally convinced it bombed. No, wait...two more months I think.

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[–] kyliesca 9 years ago

Yes unfortunately the movie seem to be failing in the US right now, the movie's only hope now seems to be the big foreign markets. But we still have a lot of time so hopefully the movie can make some decent profit further down the track, although my expectations will not be high.

China does seem like the movie's biggest hope now.

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[–] ewaf58 9 years ago

I think it will crawl into profit after DVD's and rentals - but ST14 will probably have a reduced budget. Say $130m.

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[–] kyliesca 9 years ago

I think it is bound to make profit from inflation, but I don't want to completely dismiss this movie as a box office bomb just yet even though I'm not confident about it either. I want to see its overall total worldwide box office gross first before I judge.

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[–] Pumba74 9 years ago

^^Only it has failed in most of the foreign markets too. Its failed everywhere basically.

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[–] domester82 9 years ago

Space adventures are still big. A little film no one heard of called The Force Awakens did pretty well for itself last year.

You can slop any old sh!t on a plate, and call it Star Wars, and people will eat it up. But they won't go see a Star Trek movie.

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[–] ewaf58 9 years ago

Stars Wars is more fantasy than an outright space adventure.

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[–] Pumba74 9 years ago

👍

Let's count them up: The Force Awakens, Gravity, Guardians of the Galaxy, Interstellar and The Martian all did big money and were all big space adventures from the silly to hard science. All make over $600 million.

But Beyond comes out and flops and suddenly its just that no one wants to see space movies anymore I guess. 

That's denial hitting people in the face. Space movies are doing just fine, its these *beep* Star Trek movies that can't make any real money.

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[–] ewaf58 9 years ago

Well space adventures featuring motorbikes and rubber masks.

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[–] ajaxaa-42862 9 years ago

Rubbermasks? Are you mental? that's 100% of space adventures then, you're either stupid or impossibly unfunny which one is it?

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[–] ewaf58 9 years ago

Live long and prosper

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[–] persecuted 9 years ago

To predict China's Beyond gross - look at MI5; same chinese partners with Paramount, same release date in September in China (with also a late July release date in US): and MI5 grossed $135 mil in China,

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=mi5.htm

so that's why there's a good chance Beyond grosses $150 mil in China. We are not insiders; Chinese gross depends on marketing/advertising in China, and that depends on not just Paramount, but Chinese partners (Alibaba & Huahua), as well as Chinese gov. in theater allocations.

Looks like marketing is huge for Beyond:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/huahua-media-collaborates-paramount-promote-170800737.html

Even Forbes say Beyond will gross $150 mil in China:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2016/08/12/why-star-trek-beyond-hasnt-hit-warp-speed-at-the-box-office/#3385e54b83f1

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[–] Pumba74 8 years ago

God damn Persecuted is an utter retard! 

Marketing was 'huge' in China and it won't get close to $150 million just like it won't get to $370 million.

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[–] persecuted 8 years ago

Jungle warthogs use their sensitive noses to find food underground, and then use their tusks to dig out roots and truffles , similar to Pumba here, the internet warthog troll who digs up old posts, hah!

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[–] ltarex 9 years ago

I'm a Star Trek fan since age 10. And I truly hope this movie will bomb on every level, so they won't make another reboot film. Three of these abominations were enough.

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