She should hang for the murders - The Trial of Lucy Letby (2022) Discussion

[–] Pete314 (3330) 2 years ago

If Trump had said something similar, you'd be outraged. Effin' hypocrites...

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[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

If Trump had said something similar about WHOM?

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[–] Miyagido (2944) 2 years ago

How about Mexican cartel members and rapists?

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[–] Miyagido (2944) a year ago

lol so pathetic :^)

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[–] ColumboKate (5787) 2 years ago

How are British people hypocrites here? Trump has nothing to do with uk justice 🤷🏻‍♀️.

I was actually impressed that she received 14 whole life sentences. That's hard-core sentencing in Britain.

I agree with AMJF though, she should hang.

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[–] Satan2016 (26196) a year ago

Robert Pickton, the mass-murder psycho pig farmer, didn't even get a real life sentence. Canadians are pussies!

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[–] [deleted] a year ago

i don't have an issue with the death penalty for this crime.

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[–] FootOfDavros (8702) a year ago

The problem with capital punishment is that it relies on the prosecution being 100% certain and foolproof.

There was a guy recently released after spending over a decade in prison for a rape he did not commit and maintained his innocence over. He would have been released sooner if he had admitted guilt for something he hadn't done and served the time.

So if we had the death penalty for rape, this guy would have been dead despite the police having forensic evidence he wasn't guilty a couple of years after he was sentenced.

You can't bring someone back to life after a miscarriage of justice has been found in the case of a death penalty.

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[–] capuchin (3366) 18 days ago

One year later: “In summary, ladies and gentlemen, we did not find any murders” -- https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/04/no-medical-evidence-to-support-lucy-letby-conviction-expert-panel-finds

This verdict looks increasingly unsafe.

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[–] FootOfDavros (8702) 18 days ago

Yeah, this was a really weird case.

There's been quite a lot of unsafe conviction articles appearing in the past few months but this looks particularly damning...

Not to say I could say with any certainly she definitely didn't do it but there were so many inconsistencies in the case, e.g. found guilty of some but not others even with same cause of death put forward, plus she'd been working there for years before anything happened, that it seemed possibly a stretch, just to pin blame on someone.

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[–] capuchin (3366) 18 days ago

Not to say I could say with any certainly she definitely didn't do it

No. But of course we don't have to, do we? They have to prove that she did. And I wasn't entirely persuaded at the time of the conviction that they'd really done that. And I'm even less persuaded now.

The case definitely needs to be looked at again. As people commented at the time, it seems to have some parallels with the Lucia de Berk case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucia_de_Berk_case

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[–] FootOfDavros (8702) 18 days ago

Yeah, agreed. The evidence was just too inconsistent so it should be reopened.

That case is interesting as it also was heavily statistically based. I was just reading something saying that some documentation which was shown at Letby's trial saying she was on duty and present at the times of all the deaths wasn't even true!

But anyway, in the context of the OP, it's a good example of why we shouldn't have the death penalty.

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[–] CaptBeefBlower (365) 18 days ago

Who chose the panel? What alternative panel could have been chosen? What evidence did they consider? Did they have full access to pathology reports and are they trained to interpret them? Also, the medical evidence is only part of the case. Where are the witness statements, the forensic psychiatry reports, the statistics reports, etc.? The original trial took eight months and produced thousands of pages of evidence and background, while this small panel took, I assume, mere weeks to produce a 31-page report. Yes, they can go through each death and hypothesise alternative causes of death, but what we're talking about is a pattern of behaviour by a trained individual over years - that's the Lucy Letby case. What's missing from this panel's very limited report is the murderous actions of Lucy Letby.

The reaction against her verdict is down purely to gynocentrism. Had she been a man, no one would have cared, despite 1 in 6 serial killers being female, and Letby fitting the mould exactly.

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[–] Stratego (31075) 18 days ago

I'm not surprised whatsoever.

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