Why do you think the AEP do not have werewolf abilities?
AEP ?
I didnt say or imply that. Did I? * Of course they have werewolf abilities since they come from the original pack.
Edit: *Okay my bad. I did imply that lol. What i meant was that they had straight forward werewolf abilities, nothing special about them.
I'm not talking of the hybrid abilities, turning at will, that Hayley gave the crescents. I'm talking about the unification ceremonies during Ansel's time that gave all werewolves strength, speed, agility, healing etc.
there must be other abilities than hybrid abilities.
I think I understood what you were talking about but is it must that each and every werewolf pack want to share their abilities with other pack?
Let me try to explain my pov.
Original pack (A) has some wolves with
different abilities, some have highs strength, some speed and some agility. Not all kids born to a couple have same sets of genes. Anyway they had unification ritual (married among the family members to get the specie going)-- new pack (B) with unified abilities were born. Another set of original pack had unification ritual and hence another pack (C) with different set of abilities were born and so on. Now the question is who is the original pack, Crescent or NAE. I am pretty sure one of them is. SInce Crescent is shown to be royalty, I am inclining towards it.
Assuming Crescent or NAE are not original pack (one of them is A, the other B) - Both of them have werewolf abilities since they both came from one original pack. They dont like each other from way back so why would they have unification ceremony among themselves to share their ability.
Assuming Crescent or NAE is the original pack (one of them is A, the other B) - Then that means that NAE and the Original pack at some time in future had difference of opinion and hence had been fighting with each other since then during which time it is possible that one of the pack has had a unification ritual with the another pack (C from my explanation above) that had come out of the unification rituals of original pack.
Now from my understanding of season 2 Crescent had no idea of what unification ritual was. If some of their ancestors had done so,
someone in their pack would have known about that. I am thinking since Crescent pack were royalty, maybe they didnt like to share their abilities with other packs and take theirs.
Did I understand what you were saying and explained my pov properly?
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cecejk
8 years ago
The crescents and the NEA are both original packs. There are 7 original packs. Hayley is royalty of the crescents. The crescents, nor Hayley, aren't royalty to the EAP. When she and Jackson married, they became royalty to the packs that joined them.
1000s of years ago each pack had an ability. Say NEA had loyalty, crescents had speed, pack 3 had healing, pack 4 had agilty, pack 5 had strategy, pack 6 had fighting skills, pack 7 had strength (idk I'm making that all up as an example). Over time the packs unified, sharing their abilities. If the crescents never unified with the other packs, they never would have gotten the other packs abilities. The crescents aren't anymore than any of the other 7 packs in the world. They are just the Louisiana pack.
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ThinkBfourUSpeak
8 years ago
Okay got it. So Crescent pack is not royalty, Hayley is. How come she become royalty if her family was not?
From what we have seen Crescent dont seem to have any strategy or bravely or fighting skills or strength for that matter. Same goes for NEA. They definitely lack loyalty. They ran from NOLA despite knowing that Klaus and Hope were their descendants and never came back so is it possible that not all the packs had unification rituals?
BTW remind me the packs names ...
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cecejk
8 years ago
Crescents were one of the 7 original packs. Hayley's family were crescent royalty. I still don't get what that means. They said she was their queen, then she was an alpha. If Jackson was the crescents alpha, what pack was Hayley alpha of? Were her parents king and queen, I thought he was the alpha? That queen stuff if a wolf pack was confusing.
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ThinkBfourUSpeak
8 years ago
From my understanding Jackson's grandfather was part of the pack whose leader was Hayley's father so her father was alpha but then Jackson's grandfather killed Hayley's father and he became alpha. When he died, Jackson took the leadership on his own accord whenever they became human so he was appointed as an alpha of the pack since he cared for them. when they found out about Hayley, since apparently it was her birthright- her father being alpha and Crescent royalty, they acknowledged her as their alpha. It is also possible that Jackson felt guilty that his family killed her family hence he wanted to give her "birthright" back to her. I think that birthright do play role in playing alpha in addition to earning that job. I seem to recall Ansel saying something like that to Klaus. I could be wrong.
Anyways so the pack had two alpha's unofficially. One by birth and other by appointment because he deserved it.
Then they did the unification ritual which totally confused me because I had thought that it is done between different packs but apparently it could be done within the pack too if one of the pack member had some enhanced ability which others didnt.
There was a theory that Hayley was not the alpha of crescent when she came to the town. She was alpha of her own pack which consisted of just her. If we go by that then unification ritual makes some sense. My problem with this theory is that Hayley was accepted as alpha by the Crescent pack when she went to live with them back in season 1.
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cecejk
8 years ago
Season one, I don't think they ever accepted Hayley as alpha. They barely accepted her as a pack member since she was raised by humans and lived with vampires.
Those other pack leaders bowed to Jackson and made him their alpha, when Marcel and the vampires struck thanks to Finn. So when the ritual happened, other packs who had joined the crescents were involved. Idk who was Hayley's pack. I guess she could be her own alpha, Klaus is his own! Lol! There are no other wolves that can challenge them, they are the strongest, faster ever of wolves.
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ThinkBfourUSpeak
8 years ago
Idk who was Hayley's pack. I guess she could be her own alpha, Klaus is his own! Lol!
Back in season 1 Hayley and Klaus didnt have packs so yeah I can see that they both were pack of one but ever since she broke the curse, she was accepted as alpha
I think or was it an most important person after Jackson? I do remember that in 202 Klaus told Crescent pack that she is their true alpha (paraphrasing) when she didnt let klaus kill one of them lol. By that time they had abandoned her because she was not a werewolf anymore.
Before coming to Nola she was part of Tyler's pack IIRC which became Klaus's pack which she led to slaughter.
There are no other wolves that can challenge them, they are the strongest, faster ever of wolves.
Of course but now Hayley is def alpha of Crescent pack.
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cecejk
8 years ago
Idk what her place in the pack was season 1. Oliver didn't accept her but Eve did. She had to find Jackson to get their attention and save Oliver in season 2. After the unification ritual they made her their leader. Once Jackson died, they were gone.
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ThinkBfourUSpeak
8 years ago
Once Jackson died, they were gone.
Gone where? Hayley is still leader of crescent pack and they are very much in the picture, still. hayley visits them too.
Why did Eve accept her? Eve was loyal to her pack so why would she accept Hayley as alpha if she didnt believe that she was. Oliver was the rebel so I can see him not doing that. He even killed Eve.
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cecejk
8 years ago
I don't remember seeing a werewolf after episode 3x02. I know Mary was mentioned a couple times.
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ThinkBfourUSpeak
8 years ago
There were many at Jackson's funeral.
They didnt really like Mikaelson so maybe they were avoiding it. Hayley used to go meet them alone for sure. She stopped Elijah from accompanying he when Hayley went to pick Hope or drop it at Mary's, I cannot recall properly. But she did tell him that they dont feel comfy around him...
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