Stefan on TO - The Originals (2013) Discussion

[–] TissuePaper13 8 years ago

I could see him providing another dynamic to the Marcel/Klaus relationship.

He doesn't need to be on all the time, but flashbacks and for non romantic moments I'm okay with it.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

I could see him providing another dynamic to the Marcel/Klaus relationship.

How will they do that? What Marcel and klaus have, it can never be compared to what he had with Stefan. He knew stefan how many years, 2 year? How much he could have known him during that time whereas Marcel, he raised him, made him in his own image.

On that point, how do you define Klaus and Stefan relationship? Yes they knew each other once but how deep was that knowing? Did Stefan learn something from Klaus? As far as I recall after 1920 Klaus didnt get in touch with Stefan and they left NOLA in 1919(?) so just two years or was it 5 years if they ran in 1914?

In current time period, Stefan and his friend continuously tried to kill Klaus so how deep was their relationship exactly? With Marcel I can see supressed anger for to be rule by Klaus and for keeping him and Rebekah apart but there was nothing really deep between Klaus and Stefan albeit Klaus did call Stefan his friend in one of the recent episodes of TO. I have to ask what is definition of friendship in Klaus's eyes? Is he delusional or is he so deprived that he wants people he like to be call friends despite them trying to kill him many times. Was Stefan Klaus's first friend in 1920 and that is why he is important to Klaus? I dont buy that. Klaus is 1000 years old, he must have made half a handful of friends during this time. Lucien was his friend at one time so that logic does not really apply over here.

He doesn't need to be on all the time, but flashbacks and for non romantic moments I'm okay with it.

So something like Clair? But will Paul want to commit himself in such a deal where he is not even getting a big role (he had a pretty big role in TVD) when he can get a full time somewhere else? I can actually see him doing that.

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[–] tmrhgrvs 8 years ago

Out of all the characters, Stefan is the only logical choice to crossover. Having more history than anyone else with both Klaus and Rebekah. But even then, he made it clear he never wants to see Klaus again and Rebekah is not there.

Matt or Alaric would just be there so the show could have a token human. No actual use.

Enzo doesn't even know them.

They have their own witches so they don't need Bonnie.

Damon or Elena would be pointless and just take over the show with their drama.

Tyler would just be for more attempts at revenge.

Jeremy to hunt vampires.

Caroline would only be used as a Klaroline fan service or baby drama.

And no one is even crossing over in a major capacity. Season 4 of TO timeline is set 2 years after season 8 of TVD. By then, everyone has moved on with their lives and have zero reason to help the Mikaelsons, especially since they are no longer linked to Klaus and need him alive so they can live. The only reason the writers "want" characters to crossover is because TVD is ending so they want to attempt to somewhat keep it going by forcing the characters onto TO and potentially taking over.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

Tyler would just be for more attempts at revenge.

Why now? He has not tried for the past what two years but then again Klaus is now vulnerable and can be killed! The best time for Tyler to have come to take revenge from Klaus was when trinity were in town. He could have joined forces with them.

But even then, he made it clear he never wants to see Klaus again

Oh yeah I remember. He said something like that at the end of 314 or 315, cannot recall the episode.

and Rebekah is not there.

Umm he is so over Rebekah. He is so in Caroline but a person can have more than one love interest. The thing is that I never felt that Rebekah and Stefan were more than just lusting after each other, no love lost there.

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[–] tmrhgrvs 8 years ago

Why now? He has not tried for the past what two years but then again Klaus is now vulnerable and can be killed! The best time for Tyler to have come to take revenge from Klaus was when trinity were in town. He could have joined forces with them.

Oh yeah! That might make a good story then. Have Tyler come to finally get his revenge. But even if they aren't link anymore, it still doesn't change the fact that Klaus is an indestructible Original Hybrid while Tyler is just a werewolf. And I don't want Tyler to die.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

it still doesn't change the fact that Klaus is an indestructible Original Hybrid while Tyler is just a werewolf. And I don't want Tyler to die.

that is totally besides the point. WHen has that stopped Tyler from being brave? In season 1 when he came to NOLA he was a hybrid back then, no? Was he afraid of losing or dying? No.

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[–] TaylorBruh25 8 years ago

There's a number of stories you can create, like Freya being in trouble (she helped save Stefan's life, no bad blood) he could be looking for something help Caroline, Bonnie, or Damon, who are left in some condition by TVDs end. He also could Pontentially (and I'd rather not but) become The Ripper again and come to Klaus as a "brother" again. There's a number of stories you could start in S4, Marcel puts a hunt out on all witches (even siphoners or specifically them) and Stefan heads to help Klaus and Hayley stop him.

There's a number of possibilities, his history with Klaus and Rebekah just makes it more logical as he has the most ties to them out of the MF gang.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

he could be looking for something help Caroline, Bonnie, or Damon, who are left in some condition by TVDs end.

If TVD has ended then what is the point of him looking for something to help those characters. Their chapter is closed. What is he going to accomplish by helping them now? Bring them? ANd then what? Will they be brought on TO or another show?

He also could Pontentially (and I'd rather not but) become The Ripper again and come to Klaus as a "brother" again.

I agree with the bold part but I dont think he and KLaus will be brother if he is a Ripper. Klaus has at least that much "redeemed" that he will not encourage a Ripper. He has to be role model to his daughter and that was basically what Camille force him to accept. If he does that then everything he learned from Camille will go down the drain. I mean I can see him retaliating after he comes back in season 4 (which is what I think will happen) but being accompany Ripper, Nah..

And on that point once Stefan was a good Ripper but after seeing how far he has come since then, especially seeing him with Caroline, he will not be able to sell it.

There's a number of possibilities, his history with Klaus and Rebekah just makes it more logical as he has the most ties to them out of the MF gang.

what history ? There was one episode with K and R which showed some kind of relationship but then in current time period zilch. But I guess you are right, among all if there is anyone who makes sense to come here, it will be him albeit he is the most boring but understandably preferably character among all of MF gang.

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[–] TaylorBruh25 8 years ago

I think he's more interesting with these characters as opposed to TVD, Caroline just shipper fantasy, Tyler's already fulfilled his story Pontential (revenge) and everyone else has nothing to with TO.

I don't think Klaus would accept Stefan's behavior, that's the story, show how much Klaus has developed, see if HE will be willing to show Stefan the right way, the brother comment was just how they thought of eachother in the 20s.

Rebekah loved Stefan, well Ripper Stefan, but he's apart of her past, and can always be used in the future. Him and Klaus grew close enough to call eachother brothers. They obviously share some sort of bond, which is explained in little moments through the series, like Stefan and Klaus' alliances in S4 (there's a legit three times they call eachother for help) Stefan felt guilty letting Klaus walk to his death. He also felt a little guilt when dessicating him in S3, Klaus greeted Stefan with open arms in 7x14, they go on to save eachothers lives in the crossover. They're old friends, that's a story.

TVD can close their chapters on Caroline or Damon and still have a loose end, (like Caroline needing something so the twins don't grow up hunted) and thus you send Stefan to find the solution. She wouldn't have to show up, but you'd know what his goal is in the city. A similar situation could be applied for Damon and or Bonnie.

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[–] D_Stormborn 8 years ago

Stefan's crossover bumped up by 20% the ratings. If that were permanent it would justify his crossover. Even the related TVD episode was up 18%.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

That I understand but I really dont want them to bring in a character just to up the rating. Give him a story and bring him in. If it is just the rating they want then they should just bring Caroline and do the KC.

Unfortunately I can see JP bringing characters from TVD just to up the rating, even if they dont fit in the story.

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[–] EmilyTheDramaQueen 8 years ago

I don't think using the characters as a ratings ploy will last long unless it's Caroline for Klaroline fans, since I think the appeal of seeing any one else will go down eventually since they don't fit in otherwise. I know this might sound like a weird analogy but for me that would kinda like your favorite singer being on the Late Night show every single night, sure it's exciting at first but eventually it'll get old.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

I don't think using the characters as a ratings ploy will last long unless it's Caroline for Klaroline fans, since I think the appeal of seeing any one else will go down eventually since they don't fit in otherwise.

Ideally it should happen like you are saying but KC has a huge fandom, the biggest, bigger than combined fandoms of of both TVD and TO of all ship and they are dedicated, really really dedicated so I dont think the rating will go down eventually unfortunately. And there is nothing stopping jP from taking advantage of that unless MN has a say so in this. Already through that interview I posted in "Alas" thread she has given hopes to KC fandom even though there is no mention of KC coming back in it despite them closing KC not once but twice ever since TO has started and her actually saying that they have said their goodbyes.

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[–] EmilyTheDramaQueen 8 years ago

If it's KC it'll work but not for any other character. But her teasing the fandom is not cool though and they keep doing it.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

^^ this. Agreed.

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[–] justabitofeverythingplease 8 years ago

The actor needs to move on from 'Stefan' He's obviously done with the part himself and I respect him for finishing on tvd but he needs to move on and have roles where he can be mature. I think he will do well in any sort of respectable figure type role like a good lawyer or a nice house father or whatever. But the teenage vampire is done for him.
Added: And I could also very much see him take on a role of bad guy some place. But not as Stefan, not with that history.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

I think they all need to move on to new roles even Joseph and Daniel.

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[–] goldenlight9 8 years ago

Based on interviews, it seems like Paul Wesley is over Stefan. I agree with some of the other posters; it would be nice for him to move on to other projects.

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[–] TearTheStarsOutFromTheSky 8 years ago

Stefan is the only character I want and would be comfortable with having crossover. The others just make very little sense. However, I'd much rather have the budget from Paul go to Leah and have Cami back. Which in my opinion, would make the most sense.

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