which he mentioned in season 1 to Hayley, I am pretty convinced that they were Tatia and Aya. There was a time I thought it was Tatia and Celeste but he killed Celeste ruthlessly when she tried to hurt Hayley and Hope whereas he couldnt bring himself to kill Aya even though she caused hurt to Hayley and Jackson and was a danger to Hope ....
Thoughts ?
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I think he meant Tatia and Celeste. He loved Celeste when she was living her first life, but he couldn't forgive her for coming after his family.
My understanding for Aya is he cared for her and felt guilty because he left her and that is why he hesitated to kill her but I believe he would have killed her if Hayley hadn't intervened.
Yet last season I was like WHAT. I thought Klaus had only loved Tatia, and then there was Auroa, and we were told Elijah had only loved twice and there was Aya.
I believe he would have killed her if Hayley hadn't intervened.
I thought Klaus had only loved Tatia
It was Tatia and Celeste. That was the whole reason he mentioned it when he found out that Hayley had let the witches take Céleste's bones. Otherwise it wouldnt have made any sense and saying it would of had nothing to do with the story.
shareOtherwise it wouldnt have made any sense and saying it would of had nothing to do with the story.
So you're saying it went something like this :
"I have only been in love twice. Neither time was Celeste - who is the subject of our conversation - but I just felt like randomly pointing that fact out".
Aya didn't exist in the story back then. It's not her.
LOL...
When you say it like that yes it does sound strange but remember Aya didnt exist for Hayley or US but she existed for Elijah. They didnt just pluck her out in season 3, she is a few hundred years old if I am right.
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They absolutely did pluck her out for season 3.
In the context of the "who were Elijah's two great loves?", Aya can't be counted as she didn't exist yet. We have to go by what was going on in the show at that time, which is that Hayley had been a dumba** and screwed with Celeste's bones, thereby voiding his promise to a woman he loved. The implication is clear: Celeste was one of his loves.
Aya is from some 700 years ago. yes technically they created her character in season 3 to give Elijah some history but when Elijah met Hayley, Aya was already his past.
There are many other characters and storylines from their 1000 year of rich history. All of them has not yet been disclosed yet. What if something new comes out in season 4. Will that be new to audience, yes but to Mikealson, no. Hayley's mother, Mrs.Marshall is supposed to be making an appearance in season 4. To us and Elijah/Co she came into being in season 4 but for Hayley she existed.
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But we saw in the flashback with Tatia that she chose Elijah. She definitely loved him, but she was stepping gingerly, because she knew of Klaus's feelings for her.
I think the confusion over Elijah's "loves" is because he's shown often treating a select group of women the same, so it's hard to differentiate which ones he's truly in love with (Tatia and Celeste, according to past eps), and which ones he has affection for but not in love with (Katherine, Elena, Aya). Remember when he first said that line about only two loves, how this board had a debate on who he meant? It's because of his actions.
Also, not everyone defines a love as being reciprocated (see Klaus/Tatia). Despite her not loving him in return, his affection for her had a huge effect on his life. He was visibly upset at the revelation that his brother killed her, and this was a thousand years later.
I still think Elijah's two loves were Tatia and Celeste.
but she was stepping gingerly, because she knew of Klaus's feelings for her.
Remember when he first said that line about only two loves, how this board had a debate on who he meant?
I think the confusion over Elijah's "loves" is because he's shown often treating a select group of women the same, so it's hard to differentiate which ones he's truly in love with (Tatia and Celeste, according to past eps), and which ones he has affection for but not in love with (Katherine, Elena, Aya).
It's because of his actions.
Hayley asked Elijah if Aya was one of the women he loved and he said 'no'. Was that a deleted scene?
Elijah said he loved Celeste. He told Sabine/Celeste in the cemetery about love bringing pain. He, also, said he loved Tatia. So his two loves were Tatia and Celeste and now Hayley makes 3.
Hayley asked Elijah if Aya was one of the women he loved and he said 'no'. Was that a deleted scene?
Elijah said he loved Celeste. He told Sabine/Celeste in the cemetery about love bringing pain. He, also, said he loved Tatia. So his two loves were Tatia and Celeste and now Hayley makes 3.
Yes, I believe Elijah would have told Hayley (and the audience) the truth.
shareNot to Hayley. I dont think so. He might have if Aya were already dead but I think when Hayley asked him she was alive.
Us.. yes.
Did he tell Hayley he loved Celeste and Tatia? If yes then I can see him doing so because they are dead and no threat to Hayley. Also their casucal likeness was in the beginning phase. Nothing serious had happened by then, not even the case. Elijah was still fighting his attraction towards Hayley so there was no reason for him to hide it from her. But no situation is different. I am sure Hayley will never tell Elijah that she loved Jackson too which we know she did.
But then again you could be right, Celeste and Tatia it was. He did feel something more than care for Aya.
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I wouldn't call it cheating, as she seemed to be pretty clear (avoiding him kissing her, for instance) that she didn't return his feelings. But she clearly wanted to avoid drama, as the family would have a big problem if Klaus and Elijah had a major falling out over her.
Elijah did ask Aya to go with them when they fled however many years ago, and you're right that he didn't seem to be able to kill her. I don't know that it means he loved her, but he certainly felt enough that the idea of killing her made him tremble.
It's definitely weird though that he didn't hesitate to kill Celeste for screwing with his family, but couldn't bring himself to kill Aya.
I get confused btw the tvd story of Tatia and the TO story. It was said the brothers did come to blows over Tatia, and that she never chose btw them. But in TO she did choose, even Esther knew she chose Elijah and Klaus never showed any sign of being upset. TO said Klaus loved Tatia but I didn't see it. He was just dancing around while she was making it with Elijah.
shareThat's because TVD and TO contradict. When Klaus and Elijah tell the story to Stefan and Damon, they're pretty much laughing it off. But in TO, it's treated much more seriously.
But things that are up in the air re: Tatia are that we don't know that Klaus was upset over her choosing Elijah because it's never made clear that he even knew she'd chosen. It's also not even really implied that Klaus and Tatia had a thing, just that he had feelings, she was aware of it and seemed to try to avoid encouraging him. It's made clear that his feelings for her were real when Elijah comes clean about killing her - Klaus has a very visible reaction of hurt and betrayal, but chooses to forgive.
I wouldn't call it cheating, as she seemed to be pretty clear (avoiding him kissing her, for instance) that she didn't return his feelings. But she clearly wanted to avoid drama, as the family would have a big problem if Klaus and Elijah had a major falling out over her.
Elijah did ask Aya to go with them when they fled however many years ago, and you're right that he didn't seem to be able to kill her. I don't know that it means he loved her, but he certainly felt enough that the idea of killing her made him tremble.
It's definitely weird though that he didn't hesitate to kill Celeste for screwing with his family, but couldn't bring himself to kill Aya.
But there's nothing to suggest she did encourage Klaus. We're actually shown her trying to avoid him kissing her. Nowhere is it said she was with Klaus but dropped him for Elijah; the story is that they both fancied her and pursued her, but ultimately she chose Elijah.
shareI dont know what you call encouragement but to me if a person knows that the other person has feelings for her or him but they dont, still they dance and party with them, almost let them kiss you then that is encouragement but I can see where you are coming from.
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It looked to me like Klaus and Tatia had something going on. Yes, she avoided kissing him while Elijah was watching but for Klaus to casually kiss her like he did seems it wasn't the first time they had kissed. In TO she chose Elijah and Klaus didn't seem bothered by that. In tvd she never chose and the brothers came to blows over her. So I tell myself she chose Elijah, everybody was ok with that, and Elijah just spun a tale for Damon and Stefan.
shareIt looked to me like Klaus and Tatia had something going on. Yes, she avoided kissing him while Elijah was watching but for Klaus to casually kiss her like he did seems it wasn't the first time they had kissed.
In TO she chose Elijah and Klaus didn't seem bothered by that.
Elijah just spun a tale for Damon and Stefan.
Well, either she never chose and the brothers fought, like tvd said, or she did chose and everybody knew, like TO said, or Elijah and Klaus didn't tell the Salvatores the truth.
When Klaus turned and Tatia saw the carnage, Elijah went after her (and killed her). So I thought they were together and not with Klaus at all.
When Klaus turned and Tatia saw the carnage, Elijah went after her (and killed her). So I thought they were together and not with Klaus at all.
Well, either she never chose and the brothers fought, like tvd said, or she did chose and everybody knew, like TO said, or Elijah and Klaus didn't tell the Salvatores the truth.
It's definitely weird though that he didn't hesitate to kill Celeste for screwing with his family, but couldn't bring himself to kill Aya.
Like I said before Elijah being a family man wouldnt have given a second thought to his own guilt if it meant killing a person who is a danger to your family. But combine that guilt with his feelings for her, that might make him hesitate.
Even the look Hayley gave and Elijah's reaction was quite telling.
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Entombing them for a year was a lie. The serratora would have e ntombed them forever.
The continuity sucks on this show. He loved Katherine too. He's loved more than twice.
shareI think math is not his (or the writer of that episode) forte. There was also Katherine until Elena nuked that. So it is 4 in my book.
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I think math is not his (or the writer of that episode) forte.
"look here, I have only love 2 times in my 1000 years old life. You should consider yourself lucky that you are getting my attention."
of course . He wouldnt be elijah if he doesnt do that..
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I think its Tatia and Katherine back when she was Katerina. Remember he was absolutly willing to risk his brother trying to kill him for a shot to save her when she was still human. I dont think its Celeste or Aya. Im sure he had feelings that were strong, but I dont think they were love. Also, I doubt the writers had even conceived of Aya when the two loves line was said so logically it couldnt havebeen her.
shareCould be but I think Celeste has more chances than Katherine.
Katherine didnt even love Elijah whereas Celeste did.
Also, I doubt the writers had even conceived of Aya when the two loves line was said so logically it couldnt havebeen her.
Thats fair. Im just saying in the context of if just looking at what we knew during the time of that scene it was either Celeste or Katherine. He had been implied to have gotten over Celeste while in tvd it had showed that he had still harbored some feelings for Katherine after centuries in season 4. Thats why I was more inclined to say her, but I see an argument for all of them.
shareI got your point too.
That claim of Elijah just does not and has never sat well with me. It is quite telling of his personality if he only fell two times in 1000 years. NOw I can see his feelings not being reciprocated by the same intensity but really?
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