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A very basic and Old question about mythology

posted 8 years ago by ThinkBfourUSpeak
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Can an untriggered werewolf become a vampire?
If yes then what will happen if that turned vampire does his first kill?
Now this is what happened to Klaus until Esther put a curse on him. But if this happens again to another random person what will happen? Same results as Klaus's before being cursed or...

OO and a werewolf gene is triggered by killing any human/witch and another werewolf, right?

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[–] aerisjade22 8 years ago

It should be the same as Klaus went through, but if they don't ingest some kind of bonding agent (like doppelganger blood or Hope's blood), they'll die horribly soon after triggering. This is what happened when Klaus tried making hybrids in TVD season 3, and he discovered he needed Elena's blood to complete the transformation.

The wolf gene is triggered by being involved in someone's death, even if it's an accident. It's irrelevant if the person is mortal or supernatural.

[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

The wolf gene is triggered by being involved in someone's death, even if it's an accident. It's irrelevant if the person is mortal or supernatural.

what about a vampire? If an untriggered ww killed a vampire somehow...

It should be the same as Klaus went through, but if they don't ingest some kind of bonding agent (like doppelganger blood or Hope's blood), they'll die horribly soon after triggering. This is what happened when Klaus tried making hybrids in TVD season 3, and he discovered he needed Elena's blood to complete the transformation.

Why didnt Klaus die then when he first triggered his gene? Was it because he had the doppelganger blood in that spell that made him the vampire in the first place? But Klaus was not a ordinary vampire (he was hybrid when he did those experiment) so him trying to make hybrids might not have the same effect as any other vampire trying to do so, no? Also he was not experimenting on untriggered werewolves. He was doing it on werewolves who had already triggered their gene, right?

We have not seen any case where an ordinary vampire had tried to turn an untriggered werewolf a vampire yet, right?

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[–] aerisjade22 8 years ago

Okay, I dunno about the first part. I don't think we've seen an untriggered kill a vampire, so who knows? My feeling is that it wouldn't count, since vampires are already dead.

Yes, it was because the spell to make them vampires included doppelganger blood. The formula remains the same no matter who's doing the experiment though, so it doesn't matter that Klaus isn't an ordinary vampire. Yes, he was doing it on triggered wolves, but untriggered wolves should still need that special kind of blood. They just might not need it til they're triggered.

No, we haven't. I'd be interested to see this happen, just to answer these questions.

[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

thanks.

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[–] Daydreamer_47 8 years ago

We know there are certain exceptions to the rule because "magic," but generally speaking, I believe Rebekah's explanation: you can't be both.

If an untriggered wolf is turned (by Klaus or any other vampire), then they're a normal vampire. I believe that once they die and then transition, they're dead. So if they can't procreate, then the gene must be inactivated too.

Same applies if a triggered wolf is turned by any vampire other than Klaus. If Klaus tries to turn a triggered wolf, they die horribly (TVD S3).

Klaus is the exception to the rule because he was the first / Esther's spell / just because.

I think an untriggered wolf triggers their gene if they kill a mortal (human, witch, or other wolf), but not a vampire since they're already dead.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

We know there are certain exceptions to the rule because "magic," but generally speaking, I believe Rebekah's explanation: you can't be both.

Maybe that explanation can be used to explain the why a triggered werewolf cannot be vampire or why a vampire cannot be a hybrid without using special ingredient like Hope's blood or doppleganger blood. Witches and werewolves are both act of nature whereas vampires are not so both of attributes cannot coexist naturally in a person 

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[–] Super-Van 8 years ago

I think Klaus is the only one who could go from untriggered werewolf to vampire to hybrids since he was turned into a vampire through magic and not fed vampire blood. I think untriggered werewolf can't be turned into vampire just like triggered ones.

[–] jstitely1 8 years ago

Yes, an untriggered ww can become a vampire. Once they are a vampire, they would likely lose the abilitynto become a ww similar to how a witch turned into a vampire loses his or her powers like Kol did. So killing someone once they are a vamp does nothing. If they were already a triggered ww, then they'd become a hybrid as a vampire and need Elena's blood or they would die. That's the result of a spell done by Klaus's mother in season 2 to prevent Klaus making hybrids. She made it so that he would have to kill Elena to be a hybrid, but killing her would prevent him from making others, so he got lucky that Elena found a way around dying.

[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

Yes, an untriggered ww can become a vampire. Once they are a vampire, they would likely lose the abilitynto become a ww similar to how a witch turned into a vampire loses his or her powers like Kol did. So killing someone once they are a vamp does nothing.

I think you are a bit off with that bold part. If you remember Klaus was an untriggered ww. When he killed his first human after becoming a vampire, he turned into a wolf/beast(we were not shown but it was implied that he was not like his other siblings). So that means that he triggered his gene but then Esther put the curse on him. That curse is the reason no triggered ww can be turned into a hybrid. But we were never shown another case of untriggered ww so we cannot say anything for sure. If we go by the example of Klaus BEFORE Esther's curse was put on him then it was possible but since Esther put that curse on Klaus to prevent him being an hybrid, we can safely assume that untriggered ww turned vampire WILL NOT become a hybrid anymore.

If they were already a triggered ww, then they'd become a hybrid as a vampire and need Elena's blood or they would die.

Or Hope's blood now.

That's the result of a spell done by Klaus's mother in season 2 to prevent Klaus making hybrids.She made it so that he would have to kill Elena to be a hybrid, but killing her would prevent him from making others, so he got lucky that Elena found a way around dying.

What spell in s2?

IIRC Esther put a curse on KLaus 1000 years ago using Tatia's blood. TO break the curse Klaus required Dopplegangle blood. Klaus himself deduced that he will need Dopplegangle blood to make hybrids.

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[–] jstitely1 8 years ago

I thiught the flashback established that Klaus had killed before becoming a vampire. Also what I meant by season 2 was TVd's season 2 when they started to explain things, but tvd season 3 is more accurate.

[–] cecejk 8 years ago

Klaus' first kill was draining a villager of her blood by sucking her neck as a vampire thus triggering his ww curse.

[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

Again which spell in season 2? was Esther even in season 2 of tvd?

Like CECE said Klaus first kill was AFTER he became a vampire and killed a villager because of blood lust but then he lost control, I imagine because he had triggered his gene and lost control. THe next thing they show us is him sitting on the ground crying with Elijah looking around shocked and KLaus asking him about what was wrong with him. I cannot recall if this was covered in TVD but in TO they dedicated a part of an episode to establishing the event of how the events were triggered.

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