Is season 4 gonna be the final season?
Seen as TVD is ending would it make sense to end TO aswell?
If so how do we see TO finishing up? Storywise...
Normally the final season is announced like with the Vampire Diaries. Plus the show runner tweeted she thinks it goes on.
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Klaus finally getting his happiness after being accepted by his family, really accepted. Him finding his redemption in his daughter.
Hayley FINALLY getting her smooth happily ever after ending with Elijah with no more angst for the couple.
Hope getting control of her powers. She and Klaus forming a very strong bond.
Rebekah ending with Marcel.
Elijah and Marcel patching up for Elijah's screw up. 😷😷
Kol going out in the world to find his place.
Freya finding a love interest and finally at peace with getting all her family back together with no grievances among each other. I have a suspicion that Freya and Vincent will end up together or Freya will find a female love interest.
I think this is the last season, at least that is what it seems from writers and actors tweets. We might get another shorter season 5 but chances are really really small. I think they have already wrapped up season 4 as series ending but if they get another season then they will continue from that point onwards. I dont think JP is really happy with how season 4 has ended though.
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I have a suspicion that Freya and Vincent will end up togethe
Rebekah ending with Marcel
After what Freya did to Davina and Marcel did to Rebekah's family, the chance of those couples getting together are like a billion to one.
Plus when Freya 1st met Vincent he was being possessed by her brother so knowing that and putting them together, always creeps me out.
No Elijah shouldn't be forgiven. But Hayley's not mad at him so its not the same as with Vincent/Freya or Marcel/Rebekah.
shareI am talking about forgiveness between Marcel and Elijah..
But Hayley's not mad at him so its not the same as with Vincent/Freya or Marcel/Rebekah.
Klaus: Either dies/sacrifices himself to save his family. Stays a vampire and leaves. Is cured and becomes devoted to being a good father for Hope.
Elijah: Either dies/sacrifices himself to save his family. Stays a vampire and leaves. Is cured and starts a family with Hayley.
Freya: Either dies/sacrifices herself to save her family. Stays as a witch and continues on with her life, with either Will, Alaric or someone new.
Kol: Either dies/sacrifices himself to save his family(or as a deal to resurrect Davina). Stays a vampire and leaves. Is cured and either starts a family with Davina or tries to find himself.
Hayley: Is cured and either leaves with Hope or starts a family with Elijah while being a mother to Hope.
Marcel: Either dies or is cured and leaves.
Vincent: Either dies or leaves.
Davina: Either stays dead. Comes back and gets with Kol or leaves to find her family (father and possibly half sibling).
Rebekah: Is 100000% cured and finally happy and has a family of her own with either Matt, Will or someone new is the only scenario allowed to happen.
All I can read is "Elijah dies" and I want to kiss you.... 
But seriously if "... he smiles" is Klaus then do you think it will be him with Elijah's death on his mind?
Hayley: Is cured and either leaves with Hope
Rebekah: Is 100000% cured and finally happy and has a family of her own with either Matt, Will or someone new is the only scenario allowed to happen.
When I say cured I mean cured of vampirism, aka no longer a vampire. Hayley would become a werewolf, Klaus would become a werewolf-untapped witch, Elijah an untapped witch, Rebekah an untapped witch, Kol a witch, Marcel a human.
shareOMG that was always my version of ending of this show. I have said that many times here and I would love this to happen BUT do you we have time to do this (I mean we have just thirteen episodes and so much has to happen) and how will they do it?
Maybe the cure for that bite will help remove vampirsm from their system somehow?
You know what I was thinking that maybe Elijah realizes that his death can kill rest of the strix too (his sireline) so he will do it to keep the family safe coz strix are the most powerful vampires alive after the TO....
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I don't want to see any of the 1000+ yr old siblings ending up with any 20 something. I definitely don't want Rebekah with Marcel ever again, he had too many chances. I want to see the witches in the family get smart enough to put a protection spell put on themselves and the rest. I want to see the siblings all happy with each other and secure enough to come and go at will. Hayley needs to find herself, adjust to being a hybrid and being a mother everyday before starting any long lasting relationship.
shareThey had their chance at a happy life with families of their own stolen from them when they really were teens to 30s (Bex16/17, Kol17/18, Klaus19/20, Elijah23/24, Freya31), being cured and finding that now with people their physical age is the last chance they'll get. Unless they marry someone close to their physical age they will end up alone forever. Siblings is not the same thing. Rebekah has wanted a family and a child of her own for a long time. Why should she be denied that right when Klaus has a daughter that he doesn't deserve? Just because they start their own family doesn't mean they are abandoning their siblings.
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Just because they start their own family doesn't mean they are abandoning their siblings.
Why should she be denied that right when Klaus has a daughter that he doesn't deserve?
Elijah shouldnt have sacrificed Davina for his siblings who have had hundreds of years of life already.
What Elijah did was not right but was it understandable, yes? I will be sick if they just brush that under carpet and he is all peachy with Marcel after two episodes and for that Klaus too for that matter.
And no it is not crazy. His family had had their chance to live their life... how many people will have to die for those immortals to live? At this speed, they might be the only ones walking on this earth if the whole human race becomes their enemy... Do you think that makes the genocide acceptable?
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None of them ever killed anybody or had anything to do with killing anyone when they were 16 like Davina. What makes her life more important than anyone else's? His family are still living their lives. Davina was dead. They chose not to bring her back from the dead, but used her death to save Hayley and the siblings.
shareI never said that Davina was a saint. In fact I have always maintained that she was the most evil person on this show but that does not justify what Elijah and Freya did to her AND that too after giving her hope that they can save her. Giving Marcel hope.
And he was the one who said to Davina "I wouldnt feed on a child..." in 105 I think. And now he plunged her to her death!!
Hayley and Klaus told him to find another way but he didnt even TRY... We will never know if there was another way or not because he never tried just like he didnt think before killing Marcel.
We will just have to agree to disagree on Elijah's acts over here.
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Davina was forced to kill witches at 16 to protect herself and was manipulated by a 200 year old vampire into believing that she was doing the right thing. And youre comparing that to ancient vampires who kill on their own free will majority of the time for no reason at all? Seriously?
shareShe was human and she CHOSE to let them die. Supposed to be loving life not killing it. YOu are comparing her actions with people who had lost their humanity somewhere along that 1000 years journey?
She continued on that path until she landed in a pit. That does not mean I agree with what Elijah and Freya did to her.
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They were trying to kill her 1st all so they could have more power. She has absolutely every right to defend herself.
And stop using vampirism as an excuse to be killers.
She has absolutely every right to defend herself.
Half those witches were using magic so they could find her and kill her. And Marcel was the one who got it in her head that if she wanted to survive they had to die. She is nowhere near a saint, but she's also no where near as bad as Klaus Elijah Marcel or Kol or even some of those ancestors who kill/try to kill babies.
shareI think she is worse than them but you are entitled to your opinion and I am to mine.
Nice discussion. :)
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How is a child being hunted by her own kind forced to defend herself worse than ancient vampires who kill constantly for no reason (and not all vampires are like that so having little humanity isnt an excuse)?
sharehow is her actions defending her? That I am not sure of.
IIRC Marcel had banned magic in the quarter and that was the only reason Davina was spying for him not because she was defending herself?
I think a 16 year old who was innocent just a day ago being okay with killing anyone or letting anyone die because of her classifies has evil tendencies...
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Davina was the one who told Marcel she wanted to 'make them pay'.
shareUnlike Klaus, Rebekah actually held on to her humanity (at least most of it) and didn't go out of her way to make her family or anyone elses lives a living hell. Klaus is the one who brought an 11 year old Henrik to watch the wolves which got him killed and caused Rebekah and everyone to lose their chance at a normal life. Even if Henrik went willingly hes the child Klaus was the adult he should know better.
And adoptimg Marcel was a mistake. Putting any child in with a bunch of blood sucking monsters 2 of which are unstable and destructive is a mistake. Saving him from his father was good but they should have sent him to somewhere hed be safe wirh a normal loving humam family. Klaus wanted him with him for his own benefits, so he wouldn't be alone. He even woke Kol up in order to manipulate Elijah into not hanging out with Marcel anymore because he was jealous, which put Marcel in danger. Rebekah would never put a child through that.
Klaus is the one who brought an 11 year old Henrik to watch the wolves which got him killed and caused Rebekah and everyone to lose their chance at a normal life. Even if Henrik went willingly hes the child Klaus was the adult he should know better.
And adoptimg Marcel was a mistake.
Putting any child in with a bunch of blood sucking monsters 2 of which are unstable and destructive is a mistake. Saving him from his father was good but they should have sent him to somewhere hed be safe wirh a normal loving humam family. Klaus wanted him with him for his own benefits, so he wouldn't be alone. He even woke Kol up in order to manipulate Elijah into not hanging out with Marcel anymore because he was jealous, which put Marcel in danger. Rebekah would never put a child through that.
Klaus was 20 years old. He was a grown man and old enough to know what he was doing was stupid and reckless. He knew the werewolves were dangerous and that the chance of death was extremely high but he was too obsessed with the wolves to care. Doesn't matter if he meant to get him killed or not. He should have been smarter.
Rebekah and Elijah didn't just stand there because they have less humanity. They didn't know what to do and didn't want to cause any problems. Plus Klaus handled it before anything else could happen.
If Klaus was really adopting Marcel for Marcel's benefit then he should have put him with a human family not a family of lunatics who kill people like him for food.
Rebekah does not want to be a vampire. She wants to be human. She wants a normal human life with a family. She is not selfish or stupid enough to adopt a child while being a vampire. And those locals (at beginning of TO) were vampires. She does not blame Klaus because its convenient, it is his fault. She may not be a saint but unlike Klaus she or the others never willing or knowingly put their family at risk. Klaus constantly makes enemies and dares them to come after them just to prove he's not afraid of anything. She couldn't leave Klaus because any time she tried he daggered her. And she did leave after giving Hope back. She left in a witch body to try to save Kol (who Klaus didn't care to help). She was forced to come back then she got daggered. Season 4 shes leaving again. It wasn't until a few years ago that Klaus realized his siblings weren't his playthings.
Klaus is not more susceptible to jealousy. Just because he had a bad childhood doesn't excuse what he's done as an adult/vampire or change the fact that as a vampire compared to his siblings he lived like a freaking King.
Just because for some miracle of a chance Marcel turned out fine, it doesn't not change the fact that at any moment rhings could have gone way worse. Putting a defenseless human child in vampire central is selfish stupid and careless.
Marcel turned out fine?? He is as much of a narcissistic control freak as his father.
share^this. He is very much like Klaus but well loved by his people and not any doubt about that love from them. He and Klaus are both looking for approval from their families.
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They first said Klaus was loved by all of NOLA when he ruled. Mikael even said it. Now they say everybody hated Klaus. The show changes things up at will.
shareWere they talking about human in NOLA? Did they love him as a vampire? IIRC KLaus never made vampires in NOLA. Marcel did. What I meant was that Klaus vampires never loved him. Marcel's did.
The show changes things up at will.
Klaus was 20 years old. He was a grown man and old enough to know what he was doing was stupid and reckless. He knew the werewolves were dangerous and that the chance of death was extremely high but he was too obsessed with the wolves to care. Doesn't matter if he meant to get him killed or not. He should have been smarter.
Rebekah and Elijah didn't just stand there because they have less humanity. They didn't know what to do and didn't want to cause any problems. Plus Klaus handled it before anything else could happen.
Just because for some miracle of a chance Marcel turned out fine, it doesn't not change the fact that at any moment rhings could have gone way worse. Putting a defenseless human child in vampire central is selfish stupid and careless.
If Klaus was really adopting Marcel for Marcel's benefit then he should have put him with a human family not a family of lunatics who kill people like him for food.
I have already tried to explain that but apparently you didn't get it.. FREAK ACCIDENT... People drive every day being drunk knowing that they will get into accident.
So what should they do with Hope? Put her up for adoption? And how do you see Rebekah adopting a child while being a vampire? If she cannot do that then she should abandon her dream, right?
How many families would have adopted a black child in 1700's.. That was not 21st century..... He could have compelled some family to raise Marcel but then fans would be saying ...he didnt want to take the responsibility of that child since he is so selfish.... he cannot win, can he?
And those people were stupid and anything that happened as a result was their fault.
Hope would be better off somewhere else. Minus the Dahlia part but they could have done something to prevent that. And how many damn times do I have to say that Rebekah Is not stupid enough to adopt a child as a vampire! She would wait until she is cured aka NO LONGER A VAMPIRE!
It was the 1800s not the 1700s and just like in every single time zone in history, there were good people and there were bad. He could have found a good family. And doing that would have been way more unselfish than keeping a kid with vampires.
If the parents lives put the child in danger than yes she is better off away from them.
And it is not difficult nor is it rocket science to find a caring family in any century. Not all places had slaves. Go somewhere they didn't.
I disagree..
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I don't think getting married is any guarantee of a happy life. Nor do I see how these guys who have been powerful vampires for 1000 years would ever be happy being human. Some vampire would just kill them in no time. Same goes for Damon taking the cure when Elena wakes up. Even Elena didn't last very long as a human, like a day.
shareKlaus is the only one who truly liked being a vampire (and even he had thought of being human again).
Elijah hates it but doesn't think there's anything he can do about it.
Rebekah 100% would rather be human with a family.
And Kol prefers being a witch and hated having to become a vampire.
Finn definitely hated it.
Mikael most likely did to.
Elijah hates it but doesn't think there's anything he can do about it.
He created the Strix in attempt to build an organization meant to do good in the world or protect hia family. But that failed. There is nothing he loves about being a vampire.
shareHe made monsters like him. Did a couple of hundred year old man think that he can train vampires not to act like vampires?
Couldnt he have made a organization like that comprising of normal human beings by teaching and training them like he did to those vampires? He made those vampires because he wanted those perfect people that can last forever like him which implies that he loves being vampire; living forever....
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No because the humans would die and he'd bave to do it all over again. And being a vampire does not mean you have to be a psychotic killing machine. There are some who never kill anyone, and either feed only from animals or blood bags. So yes it is possible to train them to be better.
No he does not love living forever, but he doesnt want to see his family get murdered either.
No because the humans would die and he'd bave to do it all over again.
No he does not love living forever,
I don't believe any of them truly wants to be human or they would be spending their time working on a cure. They know there was one made, that one possibly could be made yet no one tries to make one. Lucien spent centuries working to modify the immortality spell and finally succeeded. They have spent no time working on a cure.
And when was it ever said Hendrik was 11? Rebekah was 17 or 18, Hendrik looked more like 14-15 to me.
For all we know Hendrik followed Klaus to watch the wolves. Elijah watched them turn. He didn't get killed by them and he wasn't wolf.
Basically all this...
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Its Henrik not Hendrik.
Season 2 episode 6 showed that Freya was conceived in 972. 2x14 stated she was taken at at age 5. 2x16 showed she was taken 977 meaning she was born late 977. Elijah was born shortly after in late 977 or early 978 making him 5 years younger. 1x16 and 2x03 flashback showed Klaus to be 3-4 years younger than Elijah, 19-20. And tvd flashback showed Klaus celebrating his birthday early 1492 before Katherine turned in April, which puts his birthday in between January and March. Which means if Elijah is 24 Klaus would be at most 20 since his birthday hadn't came yet. Kol was sbown to be 2 years younger making him 17-18. And Rebekah 1 year younger 16-17. Henrik was not shown to be born yet in any of the flashbacks where the others appeared 5-6 or older. And the actor was 10 and clearly not 14 (unless he's a very small very young looking teenager). They became vampires Autumn 1001 as stated indirectly in 3x01.
Elijah didn't watch them turn. He knew about it but thats not the same thing.
Just because they didn't spend every once of their lives searching for a cure that may not even really exist, doesn't mean they didn't want it. Rebekah 1000 percent did. So did Finn. So did Kol. Kol worked with witches so he most likely did try to find something, but to no avail.
Elijah told Elena that he watched a werewolf turn by the caves, right before he put her in the cave with Rebekah. Klaus supposively watched them his whole life. Why would he even think them dangerous other than heresay? They weren't dangerous to him. He had no idea it was because he was one.
Elijah said he saw a werewolf. He didn't say it was in wolf form or that he went out if his way to go see them. And all of them knew it was dangerous thats why they had to hide in caves.
shareConsidering the entire village were werewolves and their families, for him to say he saw his first werewolf, it would have been in wolf form. Yes, wolves are dangerous, but they let Klaus watched them his whole life, didn't they. How many boys didn't want to watch a wolf turn?
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